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8/12/2009 5:50:31 AM EDT
Anybody use 'em for their M16? I'd like a lighter trigger pull for better control of bursts as well as a lighter semi-auto pull. I prefer single stage, but it looks like this or KAC as the only options.
8/12/2009 8:36:50 AM EDT
[#1]
Geisselle triggers are nice, as are KAC.

I've tried both and instead prefer the JP trigger –– I have had one in my M16A1 since the late '90s, and now have 'em in all my semi ARs as well. The JP can go as light as 3 pounds depending on the springs you choose, but in FA I prefer 3.5-4 pounds (John Paul told me most LE agencies use the 4-pound Tactical setup). It's single-stage, crisp like the proverbial glass rod breaking, and overtravel can be adjusted way down (mine is set at 3/32"). It works like an on/off switch.

And retail is $139.95 –– if you've got an FFL (even a C&R FFL), Brownells will sell it to ya for $113.
8/17/2009 10:52:25 AM EDT
[#2]
Hey Tony_K. You've convinced me. I ordered one. Can't wait to try it out! From what I understand they also work well with the Spikes .22 kits.
8/17/2009 8:19:37 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Geisselle triggers are nice, as are KAC.

I've tried both and instead prefer the JP trigger –– I have had one in my M16A1 since the late '90s, and now have 'em in all my semi ARs as well. The JP can go as light as 3 pounds depending on the springs you choose, but in FA I prefer 3.5-4 pounds (John Paul told me most LE agencies use the 4-pound Tactical setup). It's single-stage, crisp like the proverbial glass rod breaking, and overtravel can be adjusted way down (mine is set at 3/32"). It works like an on/off switch.

And retail is $139.95 –– if you've got an FFL (even a C&R FFL), Brownells will sell it to ya for $113.



Tony,

If you had to deploy into harms way tomorrow for an extended period of time, would you use your current JP setup or switch it out for something else. I'm just curious....

8/18/2009 5:11:41 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
If you had to deploy into harms way tomorrow for an extended period of time, would you use your current JP setup or switch it out for something else. I'm just curious....

That's a good question. My answer is a long one, and here's why:

First, FWIW, it's not something I have had to consider for many years. I think the last time I came close to "harm's way" was when Hurricane Andrew came to town, and I did some volunteer "anti-looting" duty at the damaged homes of friends immediately afterward ... and the simple presence of any firearm was enough. That was in '92, before I tried a JP trigger. But that situation was a learning experience about natural disasters, one I keep in mind when setting up my ARs. And as I said above, today I have JP triggers in all of them.

With the JP, the only component for FA use is the JP trigger itself and the springs, which you use with milspec hammer, disconnector and selector. The trigger differs from milspec only in that it has two set screws, which you locktite down after adjusting. I've never had one show any wear, or have the setscrews some loose. And the springs seem to have the same service life as milspec.

So yeah, I trust the JP trigger with my life, as do several fairly large LE agencies.

The only issue might be environmental –– I have the adjustments on mine set about as low and tight as you can safely go, and that means the tolerances are tight. If I were heading to the sandbox, I would adjust in more overtravel and use heavier springs. And probably carry a spare milspec trigger, just in case I was wrong.

The KAC is a milspec trigger (I'm not sure about the Geisselle). AFAIK, the JP has not had a military evaluation. I'm comfortable giving a strong recommendation to JP triggers for LE and recreational-use M16s, and for home defense. But I don't have any firsthand experience at using them in sandstorm territory, so I would defer to the milspec.
8/27/2009 6:56:28 PM EDT
[#5]
I have installed a Geiselle SSF trigger in a Colt M16A2 lower and it has run flawlessly.  I think this trigger is the factory trigger for the
Socom MK12 rifle.
8/27/2009 6:58:19 PM EDT
[#6]
I love my Gissle in my M16. Once I can get 2 more sets all my M16s will have them.
11/7/2009 12:36:15 PM EDT
[#7]
Does the SSF work with Colt-style 9mm uppers and Atchisson/Ciener-style .22LR uppers?  I'd like one for my M16 but if it won't work with all my uppers I won't bother.
11/7/2009 8:12:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Does the SSF work with Colt-style 9mm uppers and Atchisson/Ciener-style .22LR uppers?  I'd like one for my M16 but if it won't work with all my uppers I won't bother.



Yes they work just fine with both.
11/11/2009 1:11:05 PM EDT
[#9]
The SSF doesn't have any adjustments right? So in other words, no loctite necessary?
11/11/2009 4:08:30 PM EDT
[#10]
The SSF installs just like a stock trigger.  Two pins and a safety check and you are ready to go.
11/11/2009 5:02:37 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
The SSF doesn't have any adjustments right? So in other words, no loctite necessary?



No adjustments or anything. It was a major imporvment over the stock Colt and Bushmaster sets I was using. I now have the SSF trigger in all 3 of my M16s. Well worth the $250.
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