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6/5/2006 11:32:01 AM EDT
I live in Washington State where no AOW or NFA firearms are allowed, so a full-auto conversion or DIAS is not an option.  I'm looking at the Super Tac trigger actuator, but I'm unsure if they are legal to possess, or if legal to posses, unlawful to use.
Anyone have any thoughts on Super Tac, or other mechanical trigger actuators?

Tinny
6/5/2006 11:58:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Get the hell outta Washington.....................Come down to Texas and be a real man, or at least play like one.....
6/5/2006 12:14:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Too many roots in WA to pick up and leave---besides, Oregon is pretty liberal on AOW and NFA---just a hundred or so miles south if I need an itch scratched.
Just lookin' for somthing to play with in the woods, but not lookin' to get into trouble.
6/5/2006 12:42:31 PM EDT
[#3]
I have a friend who bought all that stuff, hellfire, tac trigger, GAT trigger (crank).

The only one that works as advertised is the GAT. That thing rocks, basically turns your semi into a gatling gun.  On a bipod, it's easy to get used to, and burn up the rounds, fast. It's no machinegun, but it does do what it advertises, and does it well. You can attain the cyclic rate of an MG with the GAT.

The others basically just assist in bump-firing, but didn;t work worth a crap for me, and are not worth the money IMO.

The GAT was a lot of fun tough.
6/5/2006 4:44:34 PM EDT
[#4]
The Super Tac would be illegal if there were laws against selling crap.  Don't waste your money. 10 out of 10 people here will tell you the same story...they simply don't work worth a damn.

Buy a GAT trigger instead.
6/5/2006 8:17:39 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Get the hell outta Washington.....................Come down to Texas and be a real man, or at least play like one.....



Texas to anti gun for me -   no open carry !!!!!!!!!!!!!
6/6/2006 3:41:28 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
The Super Tac would be illegal if there were laws against selling crap.  Don't waste your money. 10 out of 10 people here will tell you the same story...they simply don't work worth a damn.

Buy a GAT trigger instead.



Learn to bump fire.
6/6/2006 12:52:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Don't flush your money.
6/6/2006 1:02:32 PM EDT
[#8]
Legal? Yes
Stupid? Yes
6/6/2006 3:02:31 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Get the hell outta Washington.....................Come down to Texas and be a real man, or at least play like one.....



Texas to anti gun for me -   no open carry !!!!!!!!!!!!!



Go ahead, rub salt in my wounds...
6/6/2006 3:04:51 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The Super Tac would be illegal if there were laws against selling crap.  Don't waste your money. 10 out of 10 people here will tell you the same story...they simply don't work worth a damn.

Buy a GAT trigger instead.



Learn to bump fire.



You can't hit squat bump firing, in general

On a bipod with the gat trigger you can keep it on target. Makes it worth $40, IMO.
6/6/2006 4:04:42 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
The Super Tac would be illegal if there were laws against selling crap.  Don't waste your money. 10 out of 10 people here will tell you the same story...they simply don't work worth a damn.

Buy a GAT trigger instead.



Learn to bump fire.



You can't hit squat bump firing, in general

On a bipod with the gat trigger you can keep it on target. Makes it worth $40, IMO.



i can put all rounds of a 30 rnd mag in a 5in circle at 50 yards bump firing from the shoulder.


I'd say that's pretty darn accurate. Far from "can't hit squat".
6/6/2006 4:17:32 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
The Super Tac would be illegal if there were laws against selling crap.  Don't waste your money. 10 out of 10 people here will tell you the same story...they simply don't work worth a damn.

Buy a GAT trigger instead.



Learn to bump fire.



You can't hit squat bump firing, in general

On a bipod with the gat trigger you can keep it on target. Makes it worth $40, IMO.



i can put all rounds of a 30 rnd mag in a 5in circle at 50 yards bump firing from the shoulder.


I'd say that's pretty darn accurate. Far from "can't hit squat".



It's still stupid.
6/6/2006 5:22:00 PM EDT
[#13]
Bump firing rocks

if the GAT works  - get it.

it beats 15,000 bucks.

isnt it just about safe fun anyway ?
6/6/2006 7:30:00 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Bump firing rocks

if the GAT works  - get it.

it beats 15,000 bucks.

isnt it just about safe fun anyway ?



Well let's just say if I had the 15K to spare, there would be an M16 or a thompson sitting in my safe.
6/6/2006 7:32:07 PM EDT
[#15]
The real question is would you bet your life on it?  I personally would pass it over.
6/6/2006 7:50:54 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

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The Super Tac would be illegal if there were laws against selling crap.  Don't waste your money. 10 out of 10 people here will tell you the same story...they simply don't work worth a damn.

Buy a GAT trigger instead.



Learn to bump fire.



You can't hit squat bump firing, in general

On a bipod with the gat trigger you can keep it on target. Makes it worth $40, IMO.



i can put all rounds of a 30 rnd mag in a 5in circle at 50 yards bump firing from the shoulder.


I'd say that's pretty darn accurate. Far from "can't hit squat".



It's still stupid.



Fun? Check. Halfway decent accuracy? Check. Fast ROF without dropping 12k+ on a RR/DIAS/LL? Check Stupid? Nope, sorry.
6/7/2006 12:45:07 PM EDT
[#17]
It sounds like bump fire is the most effective way, and still be legal here in Washington.  Does an AR-15 clone (Mine is an Oly Arms PCR) have enough recoil to bump back enough?  My Oly Arms has a pretty sloppy trigger sear, lots of creep.  Would a tighter trigger-group be necessary?
I found a couple of videos demonstrating bump fire, and they were pretty impressive, but all the videos used an AK-type rifle.  I didn't see anyone using an AR-type rifle.  None of the videos showed anyone firing from a shoulder position, but rather from the “charge” position of holding the foregrip in the left hand, buttstock under the left armpit, rifle at waist-level, and right forearm braced against the belly, Right hand and trigger-finger perpendicular to trigger.  It also looked like they were using a straight finger, turned sideways instead of the standard finger curl position.  Is this the standard shooting position for bump fire?
As far as a mechanical actuator, I think I’ll go the GAT/bi-pod route.  That seems the most stable and reliable.
For a supposedly “Gun Friendly” State, Washington simply is no fun at all, but I like the weather.
6/8/2006 7:56:00 AM EDT
[#18]

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The real question is would you bet your life on it?  I personally would pass it over.



Oh Hell No. It's just a toy. But it was still enjoyable.
6/9/2006 11:30:16 PM EDT
[#19]

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............I didn't see anyone using an AR-type rifle.  None of the videos showed anyone firing from a shoulder position..........



You have now
6/10/2006 12:28:29 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

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............I didn't see anyone using an AR-type rifle.  None of the videos showed anyone firing from a shoulder position..........



You have now



I was considering sending you the link to this thread, seems you found your way here
For those of you who aren't yet enlightened, rickinvegas here is the ultimate bump firing professional. And, he isn't shy about posting videos to prove it.
6/10/2006 5:17:01 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

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............I didn't see anyone using an AR-type rifle.  None of the videos showed anyone firing from a shoulder position..........



You have now



You, looking at those videos, it isn't readily evident that they are actually bump fired. Is that you or were you a witness? Look more like full auto. I not accusing anyone of lying, just wondering if anyone here has verified personally that these were semiauto weapons, or if the videos are just taken at face value, and there is no firsthand knowledge. If they are being bump fired there must have been hours of practice because I have never been able to achieve anything like that with a standard trigger.
If it is you, how many hours of practice did it take, ballpark and what is the trigger setup.

6/10/2006 11:27:55 AM EDT
[#22]

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it isn't readily evident that they are actually bump fired.



Thats the whole idea


Is that you or were you a witness?


That is me


I not accusing anyone of lying, just wondering if anyone here has verified personally that these were semiauto weapons


There are many guys who post here that shoot with me regularly.  Gunbert is a good friend of mine.  He can vouch for the fact that all these rifles are stock semi-autos.


If they are being bump fired there must have been hours of practice because I have never been able to achieve anything like that with a standard trigger.


Yes, lots and lots of practice.
6/10/2006 10:20:51 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

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it isn't readily evident that they are actually bump fired.



Thats the whole idea


Is that you or were you a witness?


That is me


I not accusing anyone of lying, just wondering if anyone here has verified personally that these were semiauto weapons


There are many guys who post here that shoot with me regularly.  Gunbert is a good friend of mine.  He can vouch for the fact that all these rifles are stock semi-autos.


If they are being bump fired there must have been hours of practice because I have never been able to achieve anything like that with a standard trigger.


Yes, lots and lots of practice.



I'd say an M16 might be a waste of money for you. That is impressive.
6/11/2006 12:01:24 PM EDT
[#24]
dude

that guy is the bump king !!!!!

with a cmag no less. i can bump 9mm good, but not 556.

how does that 9mm hold up ?
i have to replace the hammer pin now and then.

thats awesome bumpin

6/12/2006 7:10:26 AM EDT
[#25]
  rickinvegas

Teach me Master

Do you modify the trigger spring for a lighter pull?
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