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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:57:25 PM EDT
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I have the opportunity to buy a full auto H&K MP-5 with an integral suppressor. I know the gun is a real HK, I'll have to check and see if the suppressor was factory. It is a transferable MG in great condition though.
I will get in touch with the seller tomorrow and find out more about the gun. Are there any other questions I need to ask, other than about the suppressor? What is the high and low price range of these? I have been told everything from 10k to 25k+, so I am really not sure. I would assume the price is contingent on certain features, originality, etc, so please let me know what to look for. Thanks! 
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As far as i know, there are no real MP5 in the registry (legal for civilian purchase).
The ones that look like MP5 are converted from other type of HK guns. If you look in the class 3 forum there are plenty of link and information on what the price of most MG are going for. |
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I have the opportunity to buy a full auto H&K MP-5 with an integral suppressor. I know the gun is a real HK, I'll have to check and see if the suppressor was factory. It is a transferable MG in great condition though. I will get in touch with the seller tomorrow and find out more about the gun. Are there any other questions I need to ask, other than about the suppressor? What is the high and low price range of these? I have been told everything from 10k to 25k+, so I am really not sure. I would assume the price is contingent on certain features, originality, etc, so please let me know what to look for. Thanks! It really, really matters EXACTLY what you're getting. Is it a factory original HK machinegun (have to be pre-68 to transferrable, if so)? Is it a swing-down lower full RR conversion done on a real factory HK semi? If so, what host gun did it come from, who did the work, is it remarked as an MP5? Is it a registered trigger pack or registered sear married to a built-up parts kit on a modified "real HK" receiver? If so, who did the sear, describe the housing it's installed in, what host gun, who did the build work, is it remarked as an MP5? $10k would be a low-end steal even for a beat-to-crap sear on an SW5 clone host in today's market. $25k is kind of high for an MP5, but not so for an MP5SD. With HK sears going for $15k-$18k, then $3k-$4k for an HK SP89 host, then $3k for an MP5SD donor parts kit, and a couple grand to have it built, a transferrable MP5SD (even if it's a sear and an non-remarked host built up with SD parts), the mid $20k range is probably where things are going to end up. You can get into a vanilla MP5 (sear in a no-name host gun) in the mid teens. |
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Quoted: I have the opportunity to buy a full auto H&K MP-5 with an integral suppressor. I know the gun is a real HK, I'll have to check and see if the suppressor was factory. It is a transferable MG in great condition though. Not likely to be factory silencer, or you wouldn't be able to buy it (pre-68, before MP5SD existed I think). At the end of the day you are buying a sear. add a few thousand for the host. Do not get carried away with the value of the sear. ETA: Yep, MP5SD is 1974. |
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I have the opportunity to buy a full auto H&K MP-5 with an integral suppressor. I know the gun is a real HK, I'll have to check and see if the suppressor was factory. It is a transferable MG in great condition though. I will get in touch with the seller tomorrow and find out more about the gun. Are there any other questions I need to ask, other than about the suppressor? What is the high and low price range of these? I have been told everything from 10k to 25k+, so I am really not sure. I would assume the price is contingent on certain features, originality, etc, so please let me know what to look for. Thanks! It may be all HK parts, but if it is transferable, it is a conversion and not originally made as an MP5 (unless it was imported before 1968, and that is unlikely). |
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Is it a registered trigger pack or registered sear married to a built-up parts kit on a modified "real HK" receiver? If so, who did the sear, describe the housing it's installed it, what host gun, who did the build work, is it remarked as an MP5? I am THINKING it is going to be a registered sear married to a "real HK" receiver. The receiver was definitely marked HK. I am not sure if it was remarked MP5. If this is the case, can I use the sear in other guns? I know if I could I would have to have the sear's serial engraved, etc. This is what I was looking for as far as what questions to ask. I really appreciate the help. I would love to get the gun for a good deal, but getting a bad deal on a five-digit buy can really mess your day up 
I'll try to get some pictures of the receiver and sear tomorrow. I'll ask about who did the sear and who built the host, if that is what the gun is. |
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It's taken me about 4 months to finally understand most of the ins and outs of the H&K NFA world. If you haven't I'd start by reading this about 10 times.
http://machinegunpriceguide.com/html/hk_nfa_conv.HTM Then check out the price guide http://machinegunpriceguide.com/html/hk_nfa_conv.HTM The price guide hasn't been updated in a bit so some of the recent price jumps are not recorded yet. I've been checking out subguns and sturmgewehr daily just to get a feel of things. You'll see some outrageous asking prices which are often reposted once weekly etc and then the good deals are often marked sold quickly (some within minutes). |
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FWIW, a S&H sear gun (converted HK94 done by S&H, remarked, S&H suppressor) in excellent condition sold individual-to-individual 2 months ago for $17.5 locally. And a good deal, at that price - though not an SD. Very well could be. Seeing as he said S&H suppressor. |
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Sorry if I was unclear- it is an SD. And I bought it from the original 1986 purchaser, from whom I had previously purchased a regular MP5.
The guy hadn't shot them in many years, just took them out of the safe to clean/lube now and again. He also had a HK33 which he wound up selling to Ruben a couple months ago, and still has a MP5-PDW that he plans to keep as his sole MG as he downsizes preparing for a move out of state. |
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FWIW, a S&H sear gun (converted HK94 done by S&H, remarked, S&H suppressor) in excellent condition sold individual-to-individual 2 months ago for $17.5 locally. Good price. Last 2 I brokered were $15K, though were not SDs. Just MP5s with S&H in Navy Pack. Those aren't bad prices either. Assuming that they were in HK94 hosts. |
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I was busy the last few days and just got a chance to check the gun out today. It was all HK parts with a sear married to the lower (it was a push pin gun). When I talked to him before today he said $10.5k, so I came here to ask about it. I thought that was a hell of a deal, but I wanted to double check. I know the HK folks are crazy about them and very knowledgeable, and I am not one of those folks.
Fast forward to today. Apparently he read up on them too, and wanted $22k now.  FFFFUUUUUUUUU
Next time I know to cut the check right then and there. Now I'm off to have a nice cigar and a few glasses of scotch. Then a few more glasses of scotch. 
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| Well, if it was a push pin gun, then you couldn't have used the sear on any other HK. It should have been registered as a RR, and as a push pin, would have usually gone for a bit more money because its about as close to a factory HK as possible. But with the sear being registered, in a push pin pack, you are in a legal grey area, as you *could* use the sear on another HK host, but the 94 with the push pin is now a MG in of itself as you could pop another full auto HK factory pack, and you'd have an MG. It wouldn't be something I'd normally buy, but at $10.5k, I'd be ok with a gray area. $22k? Not a chance. |
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Quoted: I was busy the last few days and just got a chance to check the gun out today. It was all HK parts with a sear married to the lower (it was a push pin gun). This makes no sense. Push-Pin guns use factory trigger packs and sears are not registered, thus are not married to anything. |
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I will preface by saying this scenario below is highly unlikely but with HK conversions there are all sorts of oddballs out there.
This may be a unit where the actual gun was drilled for push-pin (i.e. the shelf removed and the hole drilled and bushing installed), however inside the push pin grip frame housing is a semi-auto pack with either a registered conversion sear (that is now married to the host) or a non-registered conversion sear that is married to the gun. (depending upon how the original registeration was done, gun or sear) I beleive this exact senario is what spawed the lawsuit between Volmer and the ATF. He took a bunch of HK94s (mechanically converted them to machineguns with registered sears) but for the sake of "authenticity" drilled the push pin hole as well. The ATF told him the host was now a post-sample and he welded back over the hole and said they were now semi-autos again with a pre-86 registered sear. The ATF took the position that "once a machinegun always a machinegun" but i beleive volmer ultimately prevailed. http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/dc/opinions/95opinions/95-5187a.html Whether anybody else did this (conversion sear plus pushpin drilled) and just never got caught I cant say. However, I guess it's possible some seargun owner wanted a swing down lower and drilled their host and tried to say the whole kit-and-kaboodle was now one machinegun. Granted the odds are low but it wouldnt shock me if some HKs existed like this in a legal gray area. The higher odds are an unregisterd conversion sear that was used in a HK machinegun conversion but the gun serial was registered on the F1 or F2, effectively marrying the sear to the host. Not a ;ushpin gun per say but a permanently married conversion sear none the less. |
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I was busy the last few days and just got a chance to check the gun out today. It was all HK parts with a sear married to the lower (it was a push pin gun). This makes no sense. Push-Pin guns use factory trigger packs and sears are not registered, thus are not married to anything. I still don't know much about the HKs. I guess it's an RR? The sear can only be used with that gun, maybe I used the wrong terminology. ETA: It was push pin. All I know is I missed out on a good deal. I know if I get a chance at any MP5 w/ a can at $10.5k I'm going to jump on it. Maybe that means I just know enough to be dangerous, but at least I would end up with an MP5 
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