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Posted: 4/4/2016 6:33:30 PM EDT
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Anyone seen if the Salvo affects shotgun patterns, and in what way?
Pattern the 870. Attach Salvo. Pattern 870 with Salvo. Share results. If not, I'll be happy to do a write up on this in the next week or two. (Have an AR to sight in and some other gun stuff first.) Also, which thread do you think this should be in? I figured Salvo owners would want to know, so I posted here, but the Shotgun forum might be key. |
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I should be able to do this on Sunday. I have to get mine ready to go for turkey season. I'll try to remember to bring a camera along and document my results. Awesome. This is the type of information that should be posted on firearms boards. Since you're doing turkey loads, I'll do 00 buck. Let's get as many loads as possible documented. |
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Relevant to my interests as my Salvo just arrived recently.
Only compliant so far is many of the promotional videos show it geared towards hunters, yet full is the tightest choke pattern offered. I'd have like to have seen some offerings more geared towards turkey hunting with something tighter offered. |
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Are you going to compare to a non-Salvo choke as well? That would give you three data sets: factory style choke, Salvo choke suppressed, Salvo choke unsuppressed. I'm looking forward to seeing your patterning results.
I haven't patterned but I haven't noticed any difference in my ability to break clays with the Salvo mounted to my VersaMax Tactical with improved cylinder choke (using 7 1/2 or 8 shot). It really is crazy quiet. I was so impressed with it I bought a second so that my father or son could also use one while we are bird hunting. Side note: The VersaMax will cycle the Winchester AA Low Recoil Low Noise Subsonic load reliably as long as the action isn't really dirty. It is remarkable how quiet it is, no plugs needed. Borderline movie quiet. You can actually hear the clays breaking. |
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Are you going to compare to a non-Salvo choke as well? That would give you three data sets: factory style choke, Salvo choke suppressed, Salvo choke unsuppressed. I'm looking forward to seeing your patterning results. I haven't patterned but I haven't noticed any difference in my ability to break clays with the Salvo mounted to my VersaMax Tactical with improved cylinder choke (using 7 1/2 or 8 shot). It really is crazy quiet. I was so impressed with it I bought a second so that my father or son could also use one while we are bird hunting. Side note: The VersaMax will cycle the Winchester AA Low Recoil Low Noise Subsonic load reliably as long as the action isn't really dirty. It is remarkable how quiet it is, no plugs needed. Borderline movie quiet. You can actually hear the clays breaking. That's a good idea about the chokes. |
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I've been hoping to pattern mine for a few months now, but have never gotten the time to do it. There are a lot of guys looking for patterning data if you have it to post up. Hopefully, I can check some patterns with mine this Spring and finally post up results. Ha ha, this made me laugh. Shotgun owners for the most part, (including myself at times) don't make the damn time to pattern their guns! It's not laziness, it's just not prioritized over other gun stuff it seems. I'll get this done within a week. |
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Well I just got back from patterning mine and the results were not good. I'll get some pics posted in a little while and will edit this with the details.
I took these shells: 
I didn't end up shooting the regular Federal at all....decided I should stick with #5. Shotgun used is a Benelli super black eagle II and baseline results are with the factory full choke. Distance is 30yds for everything pictured. Salvo was in the 8" configuration as that is my preference for hunting. POA is noted with a dark circle. 3rd degree unsuppressed: 
3rd degree suppressed using silco full choke: 
Win XR unsuppressed: 
Win XR suppressed using silco full choke: 
Hornady #5 suppressed using silco full choke: 
Just for comparison, this is an 870 using super full choke @30yds: 
My buddy was shooting his as well so I ran out of poster board. I intended to do the same thing with the 870 but that'll have to wait. As you can see, the suppressor opened the pattern tremendously as well as shifting it upwards. Also note that the 3rd degree and salvo do not get along. I attribute this to the eccentric wad that it uses. It did not open up at all and sent the whole wad/contained pellets downrange. I wrote the total # of pellets within the 12" circle and as you can see, unsuppressed performed significantly better. I still want to test the 870 to see if results improve, but I will not be using this for turkey hunting which is disappointing because that is one reason I bought the thing in the first place. |
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Interesting. Thanks. Did I miss the Federal Premium with the Flight Control Wad? I was hoping that would be a performer. Didn't get a chance to try those as we ran out of posters. I'll try them next time, but I believe it's the same wad as the 3rd degree. If so, it won't do well judging from the 3rd degree results. |
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Thanks for posting. Unless SilencerCo shows up with an explanation for these shitty results, I'll cross the Salvo off my list. I was holding out for one in hopes I could use it to convince my wife to go shooting more often. No problem. At this point it looks like it will be a novelty item only for me. Had I known it would do this terrible, I would've never bought one..... |
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No problem. At this point it looks like it will be a novelty item only for me. Had I known it would do this terrible, I would've never bought one..... Quoted:
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Thanks for posting. Unless SilencerCo shows up with an explanation for these shitty results, I'll cross the Salvo off my list. I was holding out for one in hopes I could use it to convince my wife to go shooting more often. No problem. At this point it looks like it will be a novelty item only for me. Had I known it would do this terrible, I would've never bought one..... I'd love to see some super slow motion video of the wad/shot as it leaves the Salvo I'd also like to see a five shot slug group size. If mine and others act the same way, I'll be hounding SiCo for an explainations. |
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Here are my patterning results using my go-to turkey loads. All shots were at 30 yards. I used the SiCo Full choke in my Beretta 1301 Comp for all shots. As you can see I too experienced changes in pattern, though perhaps not as drastic. I think I need to repeat the Double X. Undecided if I'll be using the Salvo in the woods this season. Makes me think the SiCo chokes are not designed properly and the Salvo makes little/no difference. Maybe try it again with the Berretta full choke? |
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Makes me think the SiCo chokes are not designed properly and the Salvo makes little/no difference. Maybe try it again with the Berretta full choke? Quoted:
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Here are my patterning results using my go-to turkey loads. All shots were at 30 yards. I used the SiCo Full choke in my Beretta 1301 Comp for all shots. As you can see I too experienced changes in pattern, though perhaps not as drastic. I think I need to repeat the Double X. Undecided if I'll be using the Salvo in the woods this season. Makes me think the SiCo chokes are not designed properly and the Salvo makes little/no difference. Maybe try it again with the Berretta full choke? Yes, I'd like to see that too. I'll take a few measurements and compare my Benelli chokes vs. salvo chokes as well. |
| To be fair, most turkey loads are intended to be used with super full chokes that are much tighter than a standard full choke. A better comparison would probably be a standard target load using a factory full/mod and then the Salvo equivalent. I'm not surprised the patterns at 30 yards are fairly open when suppressed and using that ammo. |
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To be fair, most turkey loads are intended to be used with super full chokes that are much tighter than a standard full choke. A better comparison would probably be a standard target load using a factory full/mod and then the Salvo equivalent. I'm not surprised the patterns at 30 yards are fairly open when suppressed and using that ammo. Fine, I'll do that comparison the next time I take it out. That's information people should know before purchasing one of these things though. If it's only worth a damn for shooting clays, then I would have never bought one. I really would've been pissed, had I paid full price when they first came out. |
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Fine, I'll do that comparison the next time I take it out. That's information people should know before purchasing one of these things though. If it's only worth a damn for shooting clays, then I would have never bought one. I really would've been pissed, had I paid full price when they first came out. I don't think that's Silencerco's fault. Choke selection is important regardless of whether your shotgun is suppressed and most people don't turkey hunt with a full choke. Even in your test, you were using a super full choke when unsuppressed. Maybe Silencerco should test the market for Salvo turkey chokes to see if they're worth producing? But you can still hunt almost anything else with a full choke or less. IC or Mod is enough for most smaller birds, maybe the full for duck or geese. |
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I don't think that's Silencerco's fault. Choke selection is important regardless of whether your shotgun is suppressed and most people don't turkey hunt with a full choke. Even in your test, you were using a super full choke when unsuppressed. Maybe Silencerco should test the market for Salvo turkey chokes to see if they're worth producing? But you can still hunt almost anything else with a full choke or less. IC or Mod is enough for most smaller birds, maybe the full for duck or geese. Quoted:
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Fine, I'll do that comparison the next time I take it out. That's information people should know before purchasing one of these things though. If it's only worth a damn for shooting clays, then I would have never bought one. I really would've been pissed, had I paid full price when they first came out. I don't think that's Silencerco's fault. Choke selection is important regardless of whether your shotgun is suppressed and most people don't turkey hunt with a full choke. Even in your test, you were using a super full choke when unsuppressed. Maybe Silencerco should test the market for Salvo turkey chokes to see if they're worth producing? But you can still hunt almost anything else with a full choke or less. IC or Mod is enough for most smaller birds, maybe the full for duck or geese. False, I was using a factory Benelli full choke vs. Silco full choke suppressed and the results were drastically different. I shot the super full choke on an 870 just for kicks to see what it looked like. |
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Yes, I'd like to see that too. I'll take a few measurements and compare my Benelli chokes vs. salvo chokes as well. Quoted:
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Here are my patterning results using my go-to turkey loads. All shots were at 30 yards. I used the SiCo Full choke in my Beretta 1301 Comp for all shots. As you can see I too experienced changes in pattern, though perhaps not as drastic. I think I need to repeat the Double X. Undecided if I'll be using the Salvo in the woods this season. Makes me think the SiCo chokes are not designed properly and the Salvo makes little/no difference. Maybe try it again with the Berretta full choke? Yes, I'd like to see that too. I'll take a few measurements and compare my Benelli chokes vs. salvo chokes as well. I finally got to take some measurements. I ended up losing my calipers somehow and had to go buy another set, etc. Silco Benelli Crio F - 0.70" IM - 0.704" M - 0.709" Silco Rem 870 IM - 0.704" M - 0.706" Factory Benelli F - 0.68" IM - 0.694" M - 0.702" Rem 870 super full just for reference SF - 0.673" |
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Just wondering if you shoot any TSS #9's for turkeys? I have the same sbe II and have had good luck with it and have thought of getting the salvo. Just wondering if you have patterned any of it? No sir, never shot it. Noticed you are in AR...what part of the state? I'm just south of LR. |
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No sir, never shot it. Noticed you are in AR...what part of the state? I'm just south of LR. Quoted:
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Just wondering if you shoot any TSS #9's for turkeys? I have the same sbe II and have had good luck with it and have thought of getting the salvo. Just wondering if you have patterned any of it? No sir, never shot it. Noticed you are in AR...what part of the state? I'm just south of LR. Not far from you at all, Sheridan. |
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Just wondering if you shoot any TSS #9's for turkeys? I have the same sbe II and have had good luck with it and have thought of getting the salvo. Just wondering if you have patterned any of it? No sir, never shot it. Noticed you are in AR...what part of the state? I'm just south of LR. Not far from you at all, Sheridan. Benton here. Let me know if you want to get together and I'll let you run the salvo with those TSS to try it out. |
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thanks Samson, that would be nice. I'll be hunting the next two weekends but if your planning on shooting any other time that would be great.
these are my last two patterns I shot with the tss. the small circle is 10" and the big is 20" both shot at 40 yds. I think it had 623 and 653 pellets in the 20" circle. 
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Awesome. Thanks for posting.
I'd also like to see slug accuracy and buck patterning. If we can come up with some testing standards, I'll put together a few courses of fire for Slug groups, Buck patterns, and BB patterns and ask to do a write-up for TFB and ask SilencerCo to comment. Then publish the raw data. Quoted:
So I decided to take my Benelli M2 hunting this year. Here is a picture of the pattern at 17 yards. I was shooting Federal Turkey Thugs 3" mag #6. Not as good as my 870 was shooting, but still good enough for close in. I shot it at 30 but didn't take a picture. The 30 groups weren't super impressive as you would imagine. With all of that said, I shot this tom at 33 yards and didn't have in issue. The shot was up hill and off hand. I thought he was closer that what he was but he didn't was to come down the hill any further so I took the shot. The last picture is just a shot of my M2 with the Salvo attached. <a href="http://s153.photobucket.com/user/jonnyqp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160426_200158_001_zpsn3bbgckw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/jonnyqp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160426_200158_001_zpsn3bbgckw.jpg</a> <a href="http://s153.photobucket.com/user/jonnyqp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_065005_zpscmynpgky.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/jonnyqp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_065005_zpscmynpgky.jpg</a> <a href="http://s153.photobucket.com/user/jonnyqp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_064150_zps4m1oxsts.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/jonnyqp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_064150_zps4m1oxsts.jpg</a> Quoted:
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I get good patterns with the full choke on my 870. At 30 yards it is grapefruit cantaloupe size (got my fruits mixed up). I shot a jake last year at about that same distance with no issues at all. So I decided to take my Benelli M2 hunting this year. Here is a picture of the pattern at 17 yards. I was shooting Federal Turkey Thugs 3" mag #6. Not as good as my 870 was shooting, but still good enough for close in. I shot it at 30 but didn't take a picture. The 30 groups weren't super impressive as you would imagine. With all of that said, I shot this tom at 33 yards and didn't have in issue. The shot was up hill and off hand. I thought he was closer that what he was but he didn't was to come down the hill any further so I took the shot. The last picture is just a shot of my M2 with the Salvo attached. <a href="http://s153.photobucket.com/user/jonnyqp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160426_200158_001_zpsn3bbgckw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/jonnyqp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160426_200158_001_zpsn3bbgckw.jpg</a> <a href="http://s153.photobucket.com/user/jonnyqp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_065005_zpscmynpgky.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/jonnyqp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_065005_zpscmynpgky.jpg</a> <a href="http://s153.photobucket.com/user/jonnyqp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_064150_zps4m1oxsts.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/jonnyqp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160429_064150_zps4m1oxsts.jpg</a> |
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