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Posted: 3/4/2016 11:19:31 AM EDT
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I have a Saker 7.62 and a F4 pending on an Omega. Which would be the better system to go with? I know I'll have to buy a stupidly expensive MAAD mount either way (and get a 3rd party adapter for the Omega if I go Trifecta)
I have a bunch of Trifecta mounts already, although all but one are NIB still so I don't mind trading for ASR if that's the system I end up with. The one advantage of going with ASR is I'll be using SiCo "approved" configurations. Thoughts? |
| I have a preference for the ASR and everyone I've met that have actually used both seem to like both systems. A buddy of mine was using Trifecta mounts for his saker 556 and 762 and kept running into issues with them getting stuck and then launching the 556 once, so he switched to the ASR and hasn't mentioned any problems since. There are a couple guys here that seem to troll every thread about the ASR, but have never actually used it. So take some "advice" on here with a grain of salt. The other thing to mention about the ASR is just how many cans are able to use it. The harvester, three types of specwars, 3 types of sakers, the omega, and now the new hybrid. It seems as though SilencerCo has chosen the ASR as the mount to move forward with. |
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ASR seems like silencerco's chosen winner going forward, so it its probably a safe bet.
That said I have a Saker 762 and a 556k pending both with a MAAD mount, my experiences with the MAAD have been all positive. I like the very tight lock up and I have never launched the can nor have I had it get stuck on the mount, but I always remove it while its still warm. I only have a couple hundred rounds through it so far, so there are much better sources in here to speak about durability. -Mike |
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I like the ASR system. Sure, you hear occasional stories of a can sticking to the mount, but they are relatively rare and I really think that some of it has to do with people moving the can around a bunch while it is still warm. The only other weakness is that the teeth on the mounts can be damaged, but 17-4 stainless is pretty tough so you'd have to really beat the device up. |
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I like the ASR system. Sure, you hear occasional stories of a can sticking to the mount, but they are relatively rare and I really think that some of it has to do with people moving the can around a bunch while it is still warm. The only other weakness is that the teeth on the mounts can be damaged, but 17-4 stainless is pretty tough so you'd have to really beat the device up. Quoted:
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Just don't put a hot can on a cold mount Indeed
I like the ASR system. Sure, you hear occasional stories of a can sticking to the mount, but they are relatively rare and I really think that some of it has to do with people moving the can around a bunch while it is still warm. The only other weakness is that the teeth on the mounts can be damaged, but 17-4 stainless is pretty tough so you'd have to really beat the device up. Just opened your article on FB |
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Just don't put a hot can on a cold mount Indeed
I like the ASR system. Sure, you hear occasional stories of a can sticking to the mount, but they are relatively rare and I really think that some of it has to do with people moving the can around a bunch while it is still warm. The only other weakness is that the teeth on the mounts can be damaged, but 17-4 stainless is pretty tough so you'd have to really beat the device up. Just opened your article on FB I hope you enjoyed it. The points discussed aren't revolutionary by any stretch, but I know first hand how easy it is to get excited while trying out a can and forget the minor details (I did accidentally shoot the 5.56mm end cap off Silencer Shop's Optimus demo after all ).
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Post the article Easy enough to find: http://modernrifleman.net/2016/03/01/why-hot-suppressors-stick-to-cold-mounts/ |
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Easy enough to find: http://modernrifleman.net/2016/03/01/why-hot-suppressors-stick-to-cold-mounts/ Quoted:
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Post the article Easy enough to find: http://modernrifleman.net/2016/03/01/why-hot-suppressors-stick-to-cold-mounts/ Thanks for sharing it. I try to avoid linking to my stuff too much. Anyone here have a Trifecta mount with lots of use and some carbon build up? I'd like a closer look at how the engagement surface of the taper looks after some use. The impression I get from that mount is that it has a much larger taper surface than other designs. The taper also seems less severe than others. I think that combo might be partly why they stick. The length and angle of a mount's taper are important for the same reasons that make 7.62x39 an easier round to extract than 5.56x45. |
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Thanks for sharing it. I try to avoid linking to my stuff too much. Anyone here have a Trifecta mount with lots of use and some carbon build up? I'd like a closer look at how the engagement surface of the taper looks after some use. The impression I get from that mount is that it has a much larger taper surface than other designs. The taper also seems less severe than others. I think that combo might be partly why they stick. The length and angle of a mount's taper are important for the same reasons that make 7.62x39 an easier round to extract than 5.56x45. Quoted:
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Post the article Easy enough to find: http://modernrifleman.net/2016/03/01/why-hot-suppressors-stick-to-cold-mounts/ Thanks for sharing it. I try to avoid linking to my stuff too much. Anyone here have a Trifecta mount with lots of use and some carbon build up? I'd like a closer look at how the engagement surface of the taper looks after some use. The impression I get from that mount is that it has a much larger taper surface than other designs. The taper also seems less severe than others. I think that combo might be partly why they stick. The length and angle of a mount's taper are important for the same reasons that make 7.62x39 an easier round to extract than 5.56x45. I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and I agree with your assessment. It seems to me that the more severe the taper, the less likely it is to get stuck. For example, the Recce 5/7 have huge engagement surfaces that are pretty sharply angled, and there's no reports (that I've seen) of them getting stuck. Dual-taper designs have obvious advantages, as well as a design that prevents carbon from getting back onto the tapers. Surefire's first generation of Socom suppressors sometimes got stuck to their mounts and had to be shot off the gun, which the Socom 2s reportedly fixed. The best thing we can all do is not put a hot can on a cold mount. It's asking for trouble. But some designs deal with it better than others, and thermal expansion and shrinkage isn't the only thing that can lock a can onto the mount. There's been a few guys here that got a can stuck on the mount without even shooting it. That's a design problem, not their fault. |
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I have both cans OP. Saker762 and Omega (with MAAD adaper). I prefer the MAAD mount as its one hand on and off and I don't have the lock up issues some people have on my two mounts.
Now saying that; for the Omega I prefer the ASR and only prefer it because it's several ounces lighter. One thing I never gotten is why some of these suppressor mounts have to be so damn heavy. Also I have several thousand rounds through my MAAD mounts and seem to be a little more easier to take off after a little break-in. Now when my Saker762 is on any 556 it is harder to get off than when its on my 300blks. Maybe pressure has something to do with it. |
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I have both cans OP. Saker762 and Omega (with MAAD adaper). I prefer the MAAD mount as its one hand on and off and I don't have the lock up issues some people have on my two mounts. Now saying that; for the Omega I prefer the ASR and only prefer it because it's several ounces lighter. One thing I never gotten is why some of these suppressor mounts have to be so damn heavy. Mount weight really needs to be addressed in a similar way that griffin has gone. Single chamber brake options and the Ti option is awesome. That aspect really draws me to the Recce 7 We count every 1/10 oz on cans but then stick it on a nearly 4oz mount. WTF dead air and rugged? Not everyone wants a 2+" 3 chamber brake. I have a suppressor to reduce recoil, I want 1 freakin sacrificial baffle |
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Mount weight really needs to be addressed in a similar way that griffin has gone. Single chamber brake options and the Ti option is awesome. That aspect really draws me to the Recce 7 We count every 1/10 oz on cans but then stick it on a nearly 4oz mount. WTF dead air and rugged? Not everyone wants a 2+" 3 chamber brake. I have a suppressor to reduce recoil, I want 1 freakin sacrificial baffle Quoted:
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I have both cans OP. Saker762 and Omega (with MAAD adaper). I prefer the MAAD mount as its one hand on and off and I don't have the lock up issues some people have on my two mounts. Now saying that; for the Omega I prefer the ASR and only prefer it because it's several ounces lighter. One thing I never gotten is why some of these suppressor mounts have to be so damn heavy. Mount weight really needs to be addressed in a similar way that griffin has gone. Single chamber brake options and the Ti option is awesome. That aspect really draws me to the Recce 7 We count every 1/10 oz on cans but then stick it on a nearly 4oz mount. WTF dead air and rugged? Not everyone wants a 2+" 3 chamber brake. I have a suppressor to reduce recoil, I want 1 freakin sacrificial baffle I pretty much agree. Rugged'a mounts aren't bad at 2.7 oz, but they could be lighter. On the other hand, their 5.56 devices are pretty small and I believe they are sub 2 oz. |
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I pretty much agree. Rugged'a mounts aren't bad at 2.7 oz, but they could be lighter. On the other hand, their 5.56 devices are pretty small and I believe they are sub 2 oz. Quoted:
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I have both cans OP. Saker762 and Omega (with MAAD adaper). I prefer the MAAD mount as its one hand on and off and I don't have the lock up issues some people have on my two mounts. Now saying that; for the Omega I prefer the ASR and only prefer it because it's several ounces lighter. One thing I never gotten is why some of these suppressor mounts have to be so damn heavy. Mount weight really needs to be addressed in a similar way that griffin has gone. Single chamber brake options and the Ti option is awesome. That aspect really draws me to the Recce 7 We count every 1/10 oz on cans but then stick it on a nearly 4oz mount. WTF dead air and rugged? Not everyone wants a 2+" 3 chamber brake. I have a suppressor to reduce recoil, I want 1 freakin sacrificial baffle I pretty much agree. Rugged'a mounts aren't bad at 2.7 oz, but they could be lighter. On the other hand, their 5.56 devices are pretty small and I believe they are sub 2 oz. Yeah I think it's the one thing these companies look over the most. Any I'm not totally talking about the brakes and FH. I'm talking about the actual mount. The ASR has got to be the lightest QD mount out. The MAAD mount is around 4.5oz. |
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Gotcha. Yeah there's a lot going on with the Trifecta MAAD unit. I'm honestly glad to see companies like Griffin going to simple taper mounts. They're light (both the muzzle device and can attachment point), secure, and have almost no wear points. Yeah the Griffen mounts may be light but a lot of there cans are still heavy compared to competitors with QD mounts. I've been wanting a Griffen but seem to not be able to pull the trigger yet as I'm not sold on the taper mount and they are not saving much weight by going that route. Maybe Griffen can shine some light on this for me. |
| I have a saker with the maad mount. Haven't had it long but last Sunday took it out and ran about 400 rds. Stuck solid to the flashhider twisted soo hard suppressor body came off. So removed the maad/flashhider, called silencerco and had a brand new maad/flashhider arrive yesterday. The new mount is different takes less of a turn to mount and the flash hider is a lil longer in the thread dept. I'll shoot some later today, hopefully it won't seize like the last. |
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Yeah the Griffen mounts may be light but a lot of there cans are still heavy compared to competitors with QD mounts. I've been wanting a Griffen but seem to not be able to pull the trigger yet as I'm not sold on the taper mount and they are not saving much weight by going that route. Maybe Griffen can shine some light on this for me. Quoted:
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Gotcha. Yeah there's a lot going on with the Trifecta MAAD unit. I'm honestly glad to see companies like Griffin going to simple taper mounts. They're light (both the muzzle device and can attachment point), secure, and have almost no wear points. Yeah the Griffen mounts may be light but a lot of there cans are still heavy compared to competitors with QD mounts. I've been wanting a Griffen but seem to not be able to pull the trigger yet as I'm not sold on the taper mount and they are not saving much weight by going that route. Maybe Griffen can shine some light on this for me. Who are you comparing Griffin to in terms of weight? On the whole, their offerings are on the lighter side of most categories. The new Alpha is like 14 ounces for a magnum rated can. That's about as light as it gets. The taper mounts are rock solid. I know it is more reassuring to have some sort of active retention, but having used them, they work well. |
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Who are you comparing Griffin to in terms of weight? On the whole, their offerings are on the lighter side of most categories. The new Alpha is like 14 ounces for a magnum rated can. That's about as light as it gets. The taper mounts are rock solid. I know it is more reassuring to have some sort of active retention, but having used them, they work well. Quoted:
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Gotcha. Yeah there's a lot going on with the Trifecta MAAD unit. I'm honestly glad to see companies like Griffin going to simple taper mounts. They're light (both the muzzle device and can attachment point), secure, and have almost no wear points. Yeah the Griffen mounts may be light but a lot of there cans are still heavy compared to competitors with QD mounts. I've been wanting a Griffen but seem to not be able to pull the trigger yet as I'm not sold on the taper mount and they are not saving much weight by going that route. Maybe Griffen can shine some light on this for me. Who are you comparing Griffin to in terms of weight? On the whole, their offerings are on the lighter side of most categories. The new Alpha is like 14 ounces for a magnum rated can. That's about as light as it gets. The taper mounts are rock solid. I know it is more reassuring to have some sort of active retention, but having used them, they work well. I was mostly talking about the Recce and 30sd. Comparing to a Omega or a Saker762. I am going to really look at that Alpha once it's released. |
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The chance of the can sticking is greatly increased if it is hot. See the article linked on page one. Quoted:
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Just don't put a hot can on a cold mount Why is that? The chance of the can sticking is greatly increased if it is hot. See the article linked on page one. Yup that happened to me. Once it reached room temperature it came off. |
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Yup that happened to me. Once it reached room temperature it came off. Quoted:
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Just don't put a hot can on a cold mount Why is that? The chance of the can sticking is greatly increased if it is hot. See the article linked on page one. Yup that happened to me. Once it reached room temperature it came off. What can? Depending on the can/mount, you can end up with a suppressor that is really difficult to move if put on a cold mount while hot and then allowed to cool. |
| I also vote ASR. That's what I did. Also have an Omega and a Saker 762. Bought the Omega while I was waiting on the form 3 for the Saker. Capitol was awesome and swapped the mount on the can and my flash hiders all over to ASR. I've had zero problems with my ASR mounts. Mind you, I have a lot of cans and don't tend to move cans between rifles. |
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