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Posted: 2/1/2016 2:22:31 AM EDT
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My trust is done when the new rules start and I refuse to notify anyone of what is in my home.
I have an element 2, sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 I want one more can that is a do all that can run 5.7, 9mm to 7.62X51 no matter the barrel length. Is the Omega the best option? |
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Quoted: My trust is done when the new rules start and I refuse to notify anyone of what is in my home. I have an element 2, sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 I want one more can that is a do all that can run 5.7, 9mm to 7.62X51 no matter the barrel length. Is the Omega the best option? |
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So the ATF doesn't know that you have an Element 2, Sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 in your home? 
The SilencerCo Hybrid and Griffin Armament Optimus are the two cans that come to mind which would fit the bill. If it's no big deal then why do they want to know? |
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The Omega 7.62 can't do 9mm. The Omega 9mm can't do 7.62x51. The SiCo Hybrid will do all of that as well as .458 Socom, .45 ACP and .338 Lapua. There are barrel length restrictions. Griffin also makes a "do all" can but in 9mm and it will also have barrel length restrictions. Quoted:
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My trust is done when the new rules start and I refuse to notify anyone of what is in my home. I have an element 2, sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 I want one more can that is a do all that can run 5.7, 9mm to 7.62X51 no matter the barrel length. Is the Omega the best option? I missed the Hybrid 46 that might the one, Thanks |
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So the ATF doesn't know that you have an Element 2, Sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 in your home?
The SilencerCo Hybrid and Griffin Armament Optimus are the two cans that come to mind which would fit the bill. If it's no big deal then why do they want to know? I don't get it. The ATF already knows precisely what you own. What are you avoiding by not buying further Title II items after July? In the infamous words of FHRC, "what difference does it make?" Is this some kind of tin foil hat thing, or am I missing something? |
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I don't get it. The ATF already knows precisely what you own. What are you avoiding by not buying further Title II items after July? In the infamous words of FHRC, "what difference does it make?" Is this some kind of tin foil hat thing, or am I missing something? Quoted:
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So the ATF doesn't know that you have an Element 2, Sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 in your home?
The SilencerCo Hybrid and Griffin Armament Optimus are the two cans that come to mind which would fit the bill. If it's no big deal then why do they want to know? I don't get it. The ATF already knows precisely what you own. What are you avoiding by not buying further Title II items after July? In the infamous words of FHRC, "what difference does it make?" Is this some kind of tin foil hat thing, or am I missing something? So....... You aren't going to answer the question? |
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So....... You aren't going to answer the question? Quoted:
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So the ATF doesn't know that you have an Element 2, Sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 in your home?
The SilencerCo Hybrid and Griffin Armament Optimus are the two cans that come to mind which would fit the bill. If it's no big deal then why do they want to know? I don't get it. The ATF already knows precisely what you own. What are you avoiding by not buying further Title II items after July? In the infamous words of FHRC, "what difference does it make?" Is this some kind of tin foil hat thing, or am I missing something? So....... You aren't going to answer the question? You answered my question with a question, so I answered your question with a question. It's your life, buddy. I was just curious. Good luck with your last silencer. |
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You answered my question with a question, so I answered your question with a question. It's your life, buddy. I was just curious. Good luck with your last silencer. Quoted:
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So the ATF doesn't know that you have an Element 2, Sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 in your home?
The SilencerCo Hybrid and Griffin Armament Optimus are the two cans that come to mind which would fit the bill. If it's no big deal then why do they want to know? I don't get it. The ATF already knows precisely what you own. What are you avoiding by not buying further Title II items after July? In the infamous words of FHRC, "what difference does it make?" Is this some kind of tin foil hat thing, or am I missing something? So....... You aren't going to answer the question? You answered my question with a question, so I answered your question with a question. It's your life, buddy. I was just curious. Good luck with your last silencer. You questioned something that wasn't a question but OK man, whatever.... I don't know anyone here so I just got to weed through. No hard feelings. |
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So the ATF doesn't know that you have an Element 2, Sparrow, Socom 7.62, Legacy 5.56, Osprey .45 and Octane 9 in your home?
The SilencerCo Hybrid and Griffin Armament Optimus are the two cans that come to mind which would fit the bill. If it's no big deal then why do they want to know? They already know. You told them exactly where you live every time you bought each can. 2 things change for trusts come July. a) You have to send in fingerprints & photos for your trustees, just like individuals have always done. b) You send a copy of the Form 1 or 4 to your CLEO. They don't have to approve, you're just informing them. They can't do anything other than hop up & down and get mad. |
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Bob, If you stop buying NFA, they win. Sincerely, Your new forum friends. After a little panic and deciding what I could buy before the change I came to golouds conclusion. Everything you're giving them with the exception of the prints is out there already and for a lot of people the prints are out there too. But if you're really going to let them win and be done when 41f rolls out get the silencerco hybrid and you can shoot from 5.7x28-338 lapua mag |
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Bob, If you stop buying NFA, they win. Sincerely, Your new forum friends. ^ This. As a former Marine, they have my prints, DNA, urine, and everything short of a stool sample- hell, maybe that too. Don't let the X-Files return get to you. We're all in this together. |
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Since the topic doesn't seem to be the main topic, I'll play.
First, I started a trust and have about 20 NFA items because I wanted to fight the good fight, I was a believer in the "force them to deal with more of this stuff so they realize how pointless it has been to regulate it" camp. It obviously didn't work. I'm divorced w/no kids and have no family left In this state, I don't feel comfortable asking my father who is in his 70's to submit to something he has no interest in, he was on my trust not to use my stuff but to have control of my collection if I passed suddenly. Same goes for my sister who is also out of state. Frankly, I doubt everyone with trusts are going to get 100% positive feedback from trustees having to submit to finger prints (that most people relate to criminals) for something they have no interest in. Sure, guys will force a wife, brother and kids to do it but I've never been one to impose upon others, especially when it comes to a hobby they don't care about. I'd almost be ok with finger prints (for just me) because I'm not a criminal and have no plans to start now in my 40's lol, but I can't get my mind around having to notify the cops, why? All I hear is people saying "it's no big deal" but no one can explain why that information needs to be given? |
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Since the topic doesn't seem to be the main topic, I'll play. First, I started a trust and have about 20 NFA items because I wanted to fight the good fight, I was a believer in the "force them to deal with more of this stuff so they realize how pointless it has been to regulate it" camp. It obviously didn't work. I'm divorced w/no kids and have no family left In this state, I don't feel comfortable asking my father who is in his 70's to submit to something he has no interest in, he was on my trust not to use my stuff but to have control of my collection if I passed suddenly. Same goes for my sister who is also out of state. Frankly, I doubt everyone with trusts are going to get 100% positive feedback from trustees having to submit to finger prints (that most people relate to criminals) for something they have no interest in. Sure, guys will force a wife, brother and kids to do it but I've never been one to impose upon others, especially when it comes to a hobby they don't care about. I'd almost be ok with finger prints (for just me) because I'm not a criminal and have no plans to start now in my 40's lol, but I can't get my mind around having to notify the cops, why? All I hear is people saying "it's no big deal" but no one can explain why that information needs to be given? 1. Change the way your trust is written. Are both of them trustees with power to manage firearms within the trust? If so, why? Since you only want them to have power over the items on your passing, why not make them beneficiaries or successor trustees? 2. The CLEO notification is more or less there to make it a pain for gun owners. It's just another thing you have to do and the ATF was unwilling to let gun owners totally win on that front. I had to do the same when I applied for my C&R FFL. I can assure you that pretty much every notification is going to the trash once CLEOs receive them. |
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I was under the impression that anyone on the trust anyplace would need to be fingerprinted and all that jazz, I'll look into that if I decide something comes along later that I feel I must have. Thanks. I think I'm going to do the Hybrid tomorrow . I think that's a good choice. Sorry for derailing your thread. |
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Quoted: Since the topic doesn't seem to be the main topic, I'll play.
First, I started a trust and have about 20 NFA items because I wanted to fight the good fight, I was a believer in the "force them to deal with more of this stuff so they realize how pointless it has been to regulate it" camp. It obviously didn't work. I'm divorced w/no kids and have no family left In this state, I don't feel comfortable asking my father who is in his 70's to submit to something he has no interest in, he was on my trust not to use my stuff but to have control of my collection if I passed suddenly. Same goes for my sister who is also out of state. Frankly, I doubt everyone with trusts are going to get 100% positive feedback from trustees having to submit to finger prints (that most people relate to criminals) for something they have no interest in. Sure, guys will force a wife, brother and kids to do it but I've never been one to impose upon others, especially when it comes to a hobby they don't care about. I'd almost be ok with finger prints (for just me) because I'm not a criminal and have no plans to start now in my 40's lol, but I can't get my mind around having to notify the cops, why? All I hear is people saying "it's no big deal" but no one can explain why that information needs to be given? Leave the existing trust alone. Everything after July, file on a new trust w/ fewer trustees, or just file individually, in your case. The information is required to be given by a Federal law, as interpreted by the regulatory agency empowered by law to enact regulations and enforce the law. Like any gun law, it's intent is to erode the 2nd Amendment. However, permission used to be required from CLEOs until we found the ability to use trusts. Now, we only have to notify CLEOs, which is an improvement for many folks who don't have trusts, or can't put their NFA items into trusts. Is is a PITA for folks with trusts? Absolutely. Should you continue to use a trust for NFA items after July? That's a judgement call on your part. |
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