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Posted: 12/27/2015 11:25:04 PM EDT
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I am brand new to suppressors. I want to get a can for hunting. Noise reduction, weight, and length are my priorities, in order. The suppressor will be used on a .308 bolt action that will have its barrel cut and threaded and a .300 blk sbr. Price doesn't matter. I'm particularity ignorant about attachment to the barrel. The ability to use it on a 5.56 AR would be a bonus, but this is secondary to hunting functions.
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TBAC ultra 7 This or a Harvester. I'd give a strong look at the harvester. For me, Omega over Harvester every day of the week. Better rating, shorter length, mount adaptability, and still within a few ounces. |
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TBAC ultra 7 This or a Harvester. I'd give a strong look at the harvester. For me, Omega over Harvester every day of the week. Better rating, shorter length, mount adaptability, and still within a few ounces. What does Omega weigh with a flat front cap in direct thread form? Length in that config as well? |
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TBAC ultra 7 This or a Harvester. I'd give a strong look at the harvester. For me, Omega over Harvester every day of the week. Better rating, shorter length, mount adaptability, and still within a few ounces. What does Omega weigh with a flat front cap in direct thread form? Length in that config as well? I don't have the can in front of me but its around 14oz. Edit: Here are some weights listed. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=441506 |
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TBAC ultra 7 This or a Harvester. I'd give a strong look at the harvester. For me, Omega over Harvester every day of the week. Better rating, shorter length, mount adaptability, and still within a few ounces. What does Omega weigh with a flat front cap in direct thread form? Length in that config as well? Total Length is 6.17" on my dial calipers. 5.97'' with no adapters then an additional 100 thou for direct thread and flat end cap |
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As a matter of fact here is the length specs for all configs of the omega:
Base length is 5.97" Add additional lengths for the config you want: ASR mount is 0.83" Anchor brake is 1.1" Direct thread is 0.1" Flat end cap is 0.1" Give or take 1 or 2 thou for inaccuracies, but that shouldn't matter. |
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TBAC ultra 7 This or a Harvester. I'd give a strong look at the harvester. For me, Omega over Harvester every day of the week. Better rating, shorter length, mount adaptability, and still within a few ounces. What does Omega weigh with a flat front cap in direct thread form? Length in that config as well? About 14oz, about 6" 3oz more than the Harvester, 3" shorter. Higher rate of fire rating. |
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This or a Harvester. I'd give a strong look at the harvester. For me, Omega over Harvester every day of the week. Better rating, shorter length, mount adaptability, and still within a few ounces. What does Omega weigh with a flat front cap in direct thread form? Length in that config as well? About 14oz, about 6" 3oz more than the Harvester, 3" shorter. Higher rate of fire rating. What's a good price for an omega direct thread only? I know harvesters are around $550 |
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...snip... What's a good price for an omega direct thread only? I know harvesters are around $550 You can probably just sell whatever you don't want though. Like the brake and mount. |
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...snip... What's a good price for an omega direct thread only? I know harvesters are around $550 You can probably just sell whatever you don't want though. Like the brake and mount. Yes it is. $735 at Capitol Armory |
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Brad, I don't know what kind of prices are out there right now for the Omega.
Think I remember hearing in the $800 range though. I already have one so I haven't kept up on pricing. Wouldn't mind adding another to the stable though, I love how short and light it is. |
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Doesn't the harvester have a break on the end? Reason I ask is I take my 8 year old daughter hunting with me and she's often to either side of me. I considered it until I saw that and figured the Sportsman may be better Yes it has a brake on it. The Omega comes with one but it can be removed. |
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Doesn't the harvester have a break on the end? Reason I ask is I take my 8 year old daughter hunting with me and she's often to either side of me. I considered it until I saw that and figured the Sportsman may be better Yes it does and yes it actually works. When I shoot my 30-06 with the Harvester it feels like a 30-30. When I use my Omega it feels more like a .308. I thought it was just some stupid piece of metal at the end till I actually shot it. Edit: Now if you are only using it on a 300blk it really has no benefit but on some big calibers it helps. |
| With the aftermarket titanium pieces coming out for the omega, it could come in around 12-13oz in thread on/flat front configuration. I'll take a miniscule weight penalty over the ultra 7 or harvester (11.5 and 11.3oz respectively) for the greater versatility and shorter oal. |
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With the aftermarket titanium pieces coming out for the omega, it could come in around 12-13oz in thread on/flat front configuration. I'll take a miniscule weight penalty over the ultra 7 or harvester (11.5 and 11.3oz respectively) for the greater versatility and shorter oal. This should be the correct answer. And I haven't even bothered to compare DB numbers |
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With the aftermarket titanium pieces coming out for the omega, it could come in around 12-13oz in thread on/flat front configuration. I'll take a miniscule weight penalty over the ultra 7 or harvester (11.5 and 11.3oz respectively) for the greater versatility and shorter oal. Yeah, I think that's in my future, and one of the reasons I'm considering not putting a muzzle device on my 300blk hunting rig. |
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I have an Omega I use on my 10.5" 300BLK, and I'm using the ASR mount and the brake. Even with the extra length and weight compared to direct thread and flat cap, it makes a heck of a nice, short, light package. The 300 with the Omega weighs a little less than my 16" 5.56 with the 1/2" 28 ASR flash hider and is about the same length. I have been thinking that I'll dedicate that Omega (I have two) when my YHM ULT can come home and I can get my 11.5" 6.8 SPC into night hunting action, which will free up an Omega. When I dedicate that Omega, I'll go with a flat cap too, hopefully a Ti cap to drop weight. Should make an even better, lighter, shorter package. JPK |
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my emphasis is also hunting and quiet is first priority. I will be going with a .338 Big Bore Harvester.most likely.. Volume is your friend on quiet and @ only 3/1000 over bore the extra volume will out weigh any close tolerance benefits the .300 baffels may have.
My cyclone works fine but I find the tone is softer with a slight over bore and increased volume. plus any future changes in caliber I would have a suppressor that will work. A Ti .338 Harvester high rate of fire is what I really want. Maybe Thunderbeast..? |
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my emphasis is also hunting and quiet is first priority. I will be going with a .338 Big Bore Harvester.most likely.. Volume is your friend on quiet and @ only 3/1000 over bore the extra volume will out weigh any close tolerance benefits the .300 baffels may have. My cyclone works fine but I find the tone is softer with a slight over bore and increased volume. plus any future changes in caliber I would have a suppressor that will work. A Ti .338 Harvester high rate of fire is what I really want. Maybe Thunderbeast..? What rifle(s?) are you hunting with? And what targets? For a 300BLK subsonic, it would be hard to get quieter since the action noise and bullet strike are louder than the report using the Omega. My 16" 6.8 is pretty quiet, and I find the echo of the sonic crack off of tree lines is louder than the report I hear as the shooter. I suspect that my 11.5" will be a little louder with the ULT, but a short and light rifle are more important to me than what the difference will be. JPK |
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agreed for the most part. My 16" 6.8 is quiet enough through the cyclone. The blackout does not matter much as I also have a 9mm suppressor I have used.
I also have a 338WM. it would just solve having the need for anymore rifle suppressors... pretty much ever. I don't care about weight all that much. I would sacrifice a ;ittle extra weight for practicality. Cant do anything about the bullet crack rebounding off the tree line no matter which suppressor used. Just mitigating the one thing I can..capturing the bulk of gas from the round going off. The best way to do that is with enough volume (practically speaking) to catch and slow it down. If I had it to do over again I would have gone with: .338 in.Ti 12" .30 in Ti 10" .40 Osprey .22 Sparrow.... its the only thing I got right.. I am not looking to collect Tax Stamps just have the smallest practical set up that efficiently gets the job done. I do not think you can go wrong with any of the well made commercial suppressors. In general the numbers are so close most of us could not tell the difference. |
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agreed for the most part. My 16" 6.8 is quiet enough through the cyclone. The blackout does not matter much as I also have a 9mm suppressor I have used. I also have a 338WM. it would just solve having the need for anymore rifle suppressors... pretty much ever. I don't care about weight all that much. I would sacrifice a ;ittle extra weight for practicality. Cant do anything about the bullet crack rebounding off the tree line no matter which suppressor used. Just mitigating the one thing I can..capturing the bulk of gas from the round going off. The best way to do that is with enough volume (practically speaking) to catch and slow it down. If I had it to do over again I would have gone with: .338 in.Ti 12" .30 in Ti 10" .40 Osprey .22 Sparrow.... its the only thing I got right.. I am not looking to collect Tax Stamps just have the smallest practical set up that efficiently gets the job done. I do not think you can go wrong with any of the well made commercial suppressors. In general the numbers are so close most of us could not tell the difference. I don't think we can be friends 
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| If I didn't have many cans, I would have gone with the Omega also for more flexibility. I'm glad I have enough that I can get cans for specific uses. The Harvester is a great hunting can and makes my 300WSM feel like shooting a light 308 load and the sound is awesome. Mine was only around $500. |
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My focus was on hunting rifle and possible black out use (I will rarely if ever take both of those to the range at same time), I have plenty other cans. I decided on the Sandman Ti that is a thread on can. For the price, weight, size and performance, it seemed like the best choice.
But you are limited to 5/8 threads. If you are getting into this hobby now, the multi use cans are a great way to save stamps. But for those of us who got into it a couple years or more ago, probably too late for us. |
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