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Posted: 2/1/2015 6:59:50 PM EDT
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which do you run with your suppressor and why?
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which do you run with your suppressor and why? The normal ar already has a piston, its integrated into the bcg Pistons are just as bad when it comes to gas in face, however some pistons have settings that make suppressing better There are a few options now for standard ar's, like the noveske switch block All that said, i like internal piston (what you may call "DI", however incorrect that is) |
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The normal ar already has a piston, its integrated into the bcg Pistons are just as bad when it comes to gas in face, however some pistons have settings that make suppressing better There are a few options now for standard ar's, like the noveske switch block All that said, i like internal piston (what you may call "DI", however incorrect that is) Quoted:
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which do you run with your suppressor and why? The normal ar already has a piston, its integrated into the bcg Pistons are just as bad when it comes to gas in face, however some pistons have settings that make suppressing better There are a few options now for standard ar's, like the noveske switch block All that said, i like internal piston (what you may call "DI", however incorrect that is) My my. Some one read the owners manual huh? OP- DI guns are generally quieter hosts. Sorry I can't give a more in depth answer. I went to public school. |
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My my. Some one read the owners manual huh? OP- DI guns are generally quieter hosts. Sorry I can't give a more in depth answer. I went to public school. Quoted:
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which do you run with your suppressor and why? The normal ar already has a piston, its integrated into the bcg Pistons are just as bad when it comes to gas in face, however some pistons have settings that make suppressing better There are a few options now for standard ar's, like the noveske switch block All that said, i like internal piston (what you may call "DI", however incorrect that is) My my. Some one read the owners manual huh? OP- DI guns are generally quieter hosts. Sorry I can't give a more in depth answer. I went to public school. No, just looking at the bolt and carrier group Not rocket science 
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Quoted: All that said, i like internal piston (what you may call "DI", however incorrect that is) +1....You are correct....more people should read Stoner's patent as he states, "bolt act as a stationary piston". http://www.google.com/patents/US2951424 Also read Noveske's comments regarding the discussion of suppression: http://www.defensereview.com/noveske-rifleworks-n4-light-recce-carbine-john-noveske-interview-part-one/ As mentioned, I too find 'front end pistons' to be louder and of course heavier. Plenty of products out there to deal with the suppressors overgassing but of course, I'm partial to ours: micromoa.com |
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+1....You are correct....more people should read Stoner's patent as he states, "bolt act as a stationary piston". http://www.google.com/patents/US2951424 Also read Noveske's comments regarding the discussion of suppression: http://www.defensereview.com/noveske-rifleworks-n4-light-recce-carbine-john-noveske-interview-part-one/ As mentioned, I too find 'front end pistons' to be louder and of course heavier. Plenty of products out there to deal with the suppressors overgassing but of course, I'm partial to ours: micromoa.com Quoted:
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All that said, i like internal piston (what you may call "DI", however incorrect that is) +1....You are correct....more people should read Stoner's patent as he states, "bolt act as a stationary piston". http://www.google.com/patents/US2951424 Also read Noveske's comments regarding the discussion of suppression: http://www.defensereview.com/noveske-rifleworks-n4-light-recce-carbine-john-noveske-interview-part-one/ As mentioned, I too find 'front end pistons' to be louder and of course heavier. Plenty of products out there to deal with the suppressors overgassing but of course, I'm partial to ours: micromoa.com |
| I'll go ahead and echo the feelings of the pro-DI/integral piston inside BCG crowd. There's nothing magical about a short/long stroke discreet piston. Most have settings. The "DI" system is easily adaptable to suppression w/ adjustable gas blocks, WAR upper receiver, various buffer weights, etc.. Same as a piston. Add a NiBx BCG and all that "shits where it eats" stuff is absolutely meaningless. |
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I'll go ahead and echo the feelings of the pro-DI/integral piston inside BCG crowd. There's nothing magical about a short/long stroke discreet piston. Most have settings. The "DI" system is easily adaptable to suppression w/ adjustable gas blocks, WAR upper receiver, various buffer weights, etc.. Same as a piston. Add a NiBx BCG and all that "shits where it eats" stuff is absolutely meaningless. Wrong changing things like the buffer and spring are trying to cure the symptoms of the disease which is over gassing. A piston which is probably not the better option for AR's does usually have a quick fix to over gassing. Easy easy easy for people like me who don't want to get in line at the gun smith so he can install a gas block. I have an apartment and my gas block was on so tight it had to be cut off by the smith. AR's never come with adjustable blocks out of the box. Never. So it sucks to have to have like $300 more dollars and two weeks of BS until your AR IS TRULY suppressor ready. If you get a middy or a dissipated there is a chance you will have that sweet spot. But for pistols and SBR's there is usually a built in DIY yourself period to getting your uppers ready to suppress. Also I guess that means you have to go to third party handguards. A Sig 556, a SCAR, a RDB, a piston AR all have certain advantages out of the box. it just creates a cross roads for people early on in the decision making. Stoerner was a boss who basically created the best gun ever btw. Edit: I am running a 8inch 300blk w/specwar 762. It ran about 80% on its own with subs. Still over gassing needed an adjustable gas block. Had an SLR installed and have yet to dial it in. |
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Quoted: But for pistols and SBR's there is usually a built in DIY yourself period to getting your uppers ready to suppress. Also I guess that means you have to go to third party handguards. http://micromoa.mybigcommerce.com/sru-suppressor-ready-uppers/ |
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thanks for the inputs/info.
i'm looking for a new SBR (full-auto capable) 556 upper that will be running a 7.62 suppressor dedicated to night hunting with an IR Hunter thermal weapon sight. I've not used a piston driven upper before, and was wondering if it would run "cleaner" and how it would compare to a "regular" upper for suppressor use, and have heard they typically have settings to regulate the gas for suppressor useage? Apparently Noveske seens little advanages to it. |
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Quoted: thanks for the inputs/info. i'm looking for a new SBR (full-auto capable) 556 upper that will be running a 7.62 suppressor dedicated to night hunting with an IR Hunter thermal weapon sight. I've not used a piston driven upper before, and was wondering if it would run "cleaner" and how it would compare to a "regular" upper for suppressor use, and have heard they typically have settings to regulate the gas for suppressor useage? Apparently Noveske seens little advanages to it. Here is a review by a LE SWAT officer that just received one of our 11.5" barrel / block combo's where he comments on it running cleaner and retaining lube. http://micromoa.mybigcommerce.com/11-5-carbine-5-56-nato-1-7-govmt-contour-barrel-w-govnah/ We've got plenty of reviews like this if you want to see more, its just that this one is fresh in my mind. |
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Most of the fouling I got from subsonic looked like it came from around the brass. Chamber leakage I guess. Not sure a piston would do anything for that, I doubt it.
I'm trying to find a gas block that adjusts easy through my hand guard. I don't like the ones that need thread locker or adjust from the side, no room for that on mine. I saw gemtech is making a carrier with some type of valve in it with a simple flip lever. I'm curious about that because it's cake to install and can be moved from gun to gun. Hopefully they sell for less than msrp... |
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Wrong changing things like the buffer and spring are trying to cure the symptoms of the disease which is over gassing. A piston which is probably not the better option for AR's does usually have a quick fix to over gassing. Easy easy easy for people like me who don't want to get in line at the gun smith so he can install a gas block. I have an apartment and my gas block was on so tight it had to be cut off by the smith. AR's never come with adjustable blocks out of the box. Never. So it sucks to have to have like $300 more dollars and two weeks of BS until your AR IS TRULY suppressor ready. If you get a middy or a dissipated there is a chance you will have that sweet spot. But for pistols and SBR's there is usually a built in DIY yourself period to getting your uppers ready to suppress. Also I guess that means you have to go to third party handguards. A Sig 556, a SCAR, a RDB, a piston AR all have certain advantages out of the box. it just creates a cross roads for people early on in the decision making. Stoerner was a boss who basically created the best gun ever btw. Edit: I am running a 8inch 300blk w/specwar 762. It ran about 80% on its own with subs. Still over gassing needed an adjustable gas block. Had an SLR installed and have yet to dial it in. Quoted:
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I'll go ahead and echo the feelings of the pro-DI/integral piston inside BCG crowd. There's nothing magical about a short/long stroke discreet piston. Most have settings. The "DI" system is easily adaptable to suppression w/ adjustable gas blocks, WAR upper receiver, various buffer weights, etc.. Same as a piston. Add a NiBx BCG and all that "shits where it eats" stuff is absolutely meaningless. Wrong changing things like the buffer and spring are trying to cure the symptoms of the disease which is over gassing. A piston which is probably not the better option for AR's does usually have a quick fix to over gassing. Easy easy easy for people like me who don't want to get in line at the gun smith so he can install a gas block. I have an apartment and my gas block was on so tight it had to be cut off by the smith. AR's never come with adjustable blocks out of the box. Never. So it sucks to have to have like $300 more dollars and two weeks of BS until your AR IS TRULY suppressor ready. If you get a middy or a dissipated there is a chance you will have that sweet spot. But for pistols and SBR's there is usually a built in DIY yourself period to getting your uppers ready to suppress. Also I guess that means you have to go to third party handguards. A Sig 556, a SCAR, a RDB, a piston AR all have certain advantages out of the box. it just creates a cross roads for people early on in the decision making. Stoerner was a boss who basically created the best gun ever btw. Edit: I am running a 8inch 300blk w/specwar 762. It ran about 80% on its own with subs. Still over gassing needed an adjustable gas block. Had an SLR installed and have yet to dial it in. I was saying that those (buffers, etc..) were options... Not that they were the best methods. Adjustable gas blocks or a WAR upper would be preferable. And there most certainly are manufacturers that do sell complete rifles & uppers with adjustable gas blocks. In any case,I have the necessary tools in my basement workshop to build uppers, believe me it doesn't take much space, you apartment dwellers might be surprised. |
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I've shot both DI and short stroke piston, all my current SBR uppers are Adams Arms piston set up.
the extra setting on the piston for suppressed is a nice way to run without over gassing. I don't notice a difference in suppressed sound from the 11" DI or 11" piston, in theory the piston should be louder since gas is venting by the gas block The advantage I notice is the blowback crude isn't baked on with a piston upper since the BCG stays cool. Both guns look dirty from the blowback but the crude wipes off of the piston BCG. |
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i use my cans on my "DI internal piston" guns because cans make any rifle dirty and i always clean mine after shooting suppressed.
i dont run cans on my LWRC "short stroke piston" uppers though because they can go much longer without cleaning and i HATE CLEANING..... where's my AK? |
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DI - it keeps the rifle lighter and quieter. The draw back being its a dirtier rifle but man up , bust out the cleaning solvents and clean it up when you get home from the range. LOL....."man up" says the man who cares about rifle weight! kind of ironic, dont ya think? |
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