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Posted: 1/20/2015 6:09:36 PM EDT
| I recently ordered a Saker with a 5/8X24 muzzle brake to set up on a future bolt action purchase. What do i need to procure to make this thing compatible with a standard 5.56 AR barrel? I am not familiar with the different components/mounts involved with making these work. I've never shot one or handled one and my LGS just looks at me with a blank stare whenever I ask questions. I hear MAAD, and Trifecta but honestly do not know how these apply. Thank you in advance for reading my stupidness. I am literally working this backwards. My AR upper is not threaded and I do not have a threaded bolt rifle yet. |
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The Trifecta is the name of the proprietary mount/flash hider/brake that is compatible with the standard Saker MAAD mount. You can get a Trifecta mount threaded for 5/8x24 (.30cal barrels usually come in this thread pitch) or you can get one in 1/2x28 (this is the standard thread pitch for 5.56 barrels.) A Saker 762 will attach to BOTH the 5/8x24 Trifecta mount AND the 1/2x28 Trifecta mount.
So, you need to have your 5.56 AR-15 barrel threaded to 1/2x28. Then, buy a 1/2x28 TRIFECTA mount/flash hider. Attach the flash hider/mount to the barrel (use some Rocksett or at least loctite). Next, thread the .308win barrel in 5/8x24. Attach the included TRIFECTA flash hider/mount to the barrel (again, using Rocksett). The Saker can now transition between the two rifles seamlessly. EDIT: I use the terms MOUNT, FLASH HIDER, and BRAKE to mean the muzzle device that you attach to the end of your barrel via direct threads which fits the Saker Trifecta MAAD mount. I overheard one of the owners of a Class 3 dealer locally become flustered when the customer was asking about a suppressor mount. She called them adapters. I disagree with this nomenclature. I use the term MOUNT. |
. I'm guessing you bought a Saker 7.62 so you can shoot it on everything. In order to shoot it on a 5.56 AR you will need a 1/2x28 Saker mount (flash hider or muzzle brake).
| BTW - there is a harder and more expensive way to attach the Saker 762 to these different rifles, but I presented the least expensive and most "standard" method. Truth is, you COULD buy a direct thread MAAD mount to use with the .308, but changing out MAAD mounts is not as quick as just swapping the suppressor back and forth between rifles with the same Trifecta mount. |
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OP...part of the issue is there are a lot of people on this board that use the wrong terms. You'll often hear the trifecta flash hiders and brakes that are the standard muzzle devices for the Saker referred to as MAAD brakes or FHs.
The MAAD system is what the Saker uses to attach to the muzzle device. At this time, you can buy: - Trifecta MAAD mount (standard with the Saker unless you specific otherwise, and will attach to a trifecta flash hider or brake) - ASR MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker to a Silencerco ASR muzzle device, which come standard with the Specwar and Omega) - Y-Mount MAAD module (will allow you to attach your Saker to a YHM muzzle device) - 51T MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker to an AAC 51T muzzle device) - Direct Thread MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker directly to the barrel threads, and is available in different thread pitches) Some people will also call the MAAD mount an adapter. Then, you have the actual muzzle device that threads onto the barrel (unless you're going direct thread). These are available in different thread pitches so you can put brakes or flash hiders on your barrels and the Saker will attach even if the barrel's themselves are different thread pitches. The standard Saker muzzle device is the trifecta brake or flash hider, available in different thread pitches. You can also use the ASR mounts from Silencerco, or the YHM mounts, or the 51T mounts from AAC...as long as you have the corresponding MAAD mount/module discussed earlier. The other issue that causes confusion is the new Omega. It uses the ASR mount from the Harvester Big Bore to allow it to attach to the ASR muzzle devices that the Specwar uses. A lot of people are complaining and saying they want a MAAD mount for the Omega, when what they really want is a mount that fits the Omega (and Harvester BB) that will attach to a trifecta muzzle device. The most flexible Silencerco muzzle device at this time is the ASR brake/FH, as you can attach a Saker, Specwar, Omega and Harvester BB to them. The only thing that currently attaches to the trifecta brakes and flash hiders is the Saker with the standard Trifecta MAAD Mount. Hopefully that clears it up. Bottom line is if you have the standard Trifecta MAAD mount, you need a trifecta muzzle device (with appropriate thread pitch) attached to each host. Unless you want to buy the various direct thread MAAD mounts and have to fool with swapping them around to move the suppressor between weapons. |
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The Trifecta is the name of the proprietary mount/flash hider/brake that is compatible with the standard Saker MAAD mount. You can get a Trifecta mount threaded for 5/8x24 (.30cal barrels usually come in this thread pitch) or you can get one in 1/2x28 (this is the standard thread pitch for 5.56 barrels.) A Saker 762 will attach to BOTH the 5/8x24 Trifecta mount AND the 1/2x28 Trifecta mount. So, you need to have your 5.56 AR-15 barrel threaded to 1/2x28. Then, buy a 1/2x28 TRIFECTA mount/flash hider. Attach the flash hider/mount to the barrel (use some Rocksett or at least loctite). Next, thread the .308win barrel in 5/8x24. Attach the included TRIFECTA flash hider/mount to the barrel (again, using Rocksett). The Saker can now transition between the two rifles seamlessly. EDIT: I use the terms MOUNT, FLASH HIDER, and BRAKE to mean the muzzle device that you attach to the end of your barrel via direct threads which fits the Saker Trifecta MAAD mount. I overheard one of the owners of a Class 3 dealer locally become flustered when the customer was asking about a suppressor mount. She called them adapters. I disagree with this nomenclature. I use the term MOUNT. Thank you for spelling this out for me. I needed it. |
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OP...part of the issue is there are a lot of people on this board that use the wrong terms. You'll often hear the trifecta flash hiders and brakes that are the standard muzzle devices for the Saker referred to as MAAD brakes or FHs. The MAAD system is what the Saker uses to attach to the muzzle device. At this time, you can buy: - Trifecta MAAD mount (standard with the Saker unless you specific otherwise, and will attach to a trifecta flash hider or brake) - ASR MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker to a Silencerco ASR muzzle device, which come standard with the Specwar and Omega) - Y-Mount MAAD module (will allow you to attach your Saker to a YHM muzzle device) - 51T MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker to an AAC 51T muzzle device) - Direct Thread MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker directly to the barrel threads, and is available in different thread pitches) Some people will also call the MAAD mount an adapter. Then, you have the actual muzzle device that threads onto the barrel (unless you're going direct thread). These are available in different thread pitches so you can put brakes or flash hiders on your barrels and the Saker will attach even if the barrel's themselves are different thread pitches. The standard Saker muzzle device is the trifecta brake or flash hider, available in different thread pitches. You can also use the ASR mounts from Silencerco, or the YHM mounts, or the 51T mounts from AAC...as long as you have the corresponding MAAD mount/module discussed earlier. The other issue that causes confusion is the new Omega. It uses the ASR mount from the Harvester Big Bore to allow it to attach to the ASR muzzle devices that the Specwar uses. A lot of people are complaining and saying they want a MAAD mount for the Omega, when what they really want is a mount that fits the Omega (and Harvester BB) that will attach to a trifecta muzzle device. The most flexible Silencerco muzzle device at this time is the ASR brake/FH, as you can attach a Saker, Specwar, Omega and Harvester BB to them. The only thing that currently attaches to the trifecta brakes and flash hiders is the Saker with the standard Trifecta MAAD Mount. Hopefully that clears it up. Bottom line is if you have the standard Trifecta MAAD mount, you need a trifecta muzzle device (with appropriate thread pitch) attached to each host. Unless you want to buy the various direct thread MAAD mounts and have to fool with swapping them around to move the suppressor between weapons. Okay, I think the plan now is to purchase a Trifecta 1/2x28 flash hider for the AR to swap the Saker back and forth. I wasn't sure if the MAAD mount would work with both the Trifecta muzzle brake AND the Trifecta flash hider. |
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OP...part of the issue is there are a lot of people on this board that use the wrong terms. You'll often hear the trifecta flash hiders and brakes that are the standard muzzle devices for the Saker referred to as MAAD brakes or FHs. The MAAD system is what the Saker uses to attach to the muzzle device. At this time, you can buy: - Trifecta MAAD mount (standard with the Saker unless you specific otherwise, and will attach to a trifecta flash hider or brake) - ASR MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker to a Silencerco ASR muzzle device, which come standard with the Specwar and Omega) - Y-Mount MAAD module (will allow you to attach your Saker to a YHM muzzle device) - 51T MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker to an AAC 51T muzzle device) - Direct Thread MAAD mount (will allow you to attach your Saker directly to the barrel threads, and is available in different thread pitches) Some people will also call the MAAD mount an adapter. Then, you have the actual muzzle device that threads onto the barrel (unless you're going direct thread). These are available in different thread pitches so you can put brakes or flash hiders on your barrels and the Saker will attach even if the barrel's themselves are different thread pitches. The standard Saker muzzle device is the trifecta brake or flash hider, available in different thread pitches. You can also use the ASR mounts from Silencerco, or the YHM mounts, or the 51T mounts from AAC...as long as you have the corresponding MAAD mount/module discussed earlier. The other issue that causes confusion is the new Omega. It uses the ASR mount from the Harvester Big Bore to allow it to attach to the ASR muzzle devices that the Specwar uses. A lot of people are complaining and saying they want a MAAD mount for the Omega, when what they really want is a mount that fits the Omega (and Harvester BB) that will attach to a trifecta muzzle device. The most flexible Silencerco muzzle device at this time is the ASR brake/FH, as you can attach a Saker, Specwar, Omega and Harvester BB to them. The only thing that currently attaches to the trifecta brakes and flash hiders is the Saker with the standard Trifecta MAAD Mount. Hopefully that clears it up. Bottom line is if you have the standard Trifecta MAAD mount, you need a trifecta muzzle device (with appropriate thread pitch) attached to each host. Unless you want to buy the various direct thread MAAD mounts and have to fool with swapping them around to move the suppressor between weapons. So, if i got caught with a saker in jail now that the omega has come out....I need to stock up on ASR mounts and buy an Asr MAAD module for all of my rifle so i can run the saker and eventually get an omega? My saker will come with the Trifecta Maad mount and 1 break. I plan on being able to eventually run my saker and an omega between all my rifles in 5.56 and 300. Did I miss something or is there a better way? Im asking because of the ASR mount from the "big bore" harvester. Any help is greatly appreciated. edit - As in is the big bore harvester mount the exact same as specwar and omega? Will it fit saker ASR MAAD module? |
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So, if i got caught with a saker in jail now that the omega has come out....I need to stock up on ASR mounts and buy an Asr MAAD module for all of my rifle so i can run the saker and eventually get an omega? My saker will come with the Trifecta Maad mount and 1 break. I plan on being able to eventually run my saker and an omega between all my rifles in 5.56 and 300. Did I miss something or is there a better way? Im asking because of the ASR mount from the "big bore" harvester. Any help is greatly appreciated. edit - As in is the big bore harvester mount the exact same as specwar and omega? Will it fit saker ASR MAAD module? Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts. |
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Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts . Quoted:
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So, if i got caught with a saker in jail now that the omega has come out....I need to stock up on ASR mounts and buy an Asr MAAD module for all of my rifle so i can run the saker and eventually get an omega? My saker will come with the Trifecta Maad mount and 1 break. I plan on being able to eventually run my saker and an omega between all my rifles in 5.56 and 300. Did I miss something or is there a better way? Im asking because of the ASR mount from the "big bore" harvester. Any help is greatly appreciated. edit - As in is the big bore harvester mount the exact same as specwar and omega? Will it fit saker ASR MAAD module? Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts . So the saker people are up in arms because everyone like myself ordered with the trifecta MAAD Module?Will there ever be an omega trifecta mount?Jesus this is becoming worse than the mk12 thread and that almost got me divorced 
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So the saker people are up in arms because everyone like myself ordered with the trifecta MAAD Module?Will there ever be an omega trifecta mount?Jesus this is becoming worse than the mk12 thread and that almost got me divorced That's the gist of it. People bought the latest and greatest can (Saker), and then when the later and greater can (Omega) came out they were designed to use the ASR mount instead of the trifecta. The fact that the mounts are so similar in size (OD of 1.50" vs 1.56" if I remember correctly) that everyone wonders why SiCo opted for the Omega/Harvester mount instead of the MAAD setup. The release of an Omega trifecta mount is the $100,000 question at this point. |
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Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts. Quoted:
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So, if i got caught with a saker in jail now that the omega has come out....I need to stock up on ASR mounts and buy an Asr MAAD module for all of my rifle so i can run the saker and eventually get an omega? My saker will come with the Trifecta Maad mount and 1 break. I plan on being able to eventually run my saker and an omega between all my rifles in 5.56 and 300. Did I miss something or is there a better way? Im asking because of the ASR mount from the "big bore" harvester. Any help is greatly appreciated. edit - As in is the big bore harvester mount the exact same as specwar and omega? Will it fit saker ASR MAAD module? Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts. That makes my mind up right there on mounting options. I want to tuck the rear of my saker in the handguards . Looking around everyone is out of the trifecta mounts is that a sign of change ? |
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That makes my mind up right there on mounting options. I want to tuck the rear of my saker in the handguards . Looking around everyone is out of the trifecta mounts is that a sign of change ? Quoted:
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So, if i got caught with a saker in jail now that the omega has come out....I need to stock up on ASR mounts and buy an Asr MAAD module for all of my rifle so i can run the saker and eventually get an omega? My saker will come with the Trifecta Maad mount and 1 break. I plan on being able to eventually run my saker and an omega between all my rifles in 5.56 and 300. Did I miss something or is there a better way? Im asking because of the ASR mount from the "big bore" harvester. Any help is greatly appreciated. edit - As in is the big bore harvester mount the exact same as specwar and omega? Will it fit saker ASR MAAD module? Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts. That makes my mind up right there on mounting options. I want to tuck the rear of my saker in the handguards . Looking around everyone is out of the trifecta mounts is that a sign of change ? Brownells FTW. I ordered a Trifecta flash hider there two days ago... seemed to have plenty in stock. You aren't looking hard enough. I also think Silencer Shop has them in stock as well. -ZA |
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That's the gist of it. People bought the latest and greatest can (Saker), and then when the later and greater can (Omega) came out they were designed to use the ASR mount instead of the trifecta. The fact that the mounts are so similar in size (OD of 1.50" vs 1.56" if I remember correctly) that everyone wonders why SiCo opted for the Omega/Harvester mount instead of the MAAD setup. The release of an Omega trifecta mount is the $100,000 question at this point. Quoted:
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So the saker people are up in arms because everyone like myself ordered with the trifecta MAAD Module?Will there ever be an omega trifecta mount?Jesus this is becoming worse than the mk12 thread and that almost got me divorced That's the gist of it. People bought the latest and greatest can (Saker), and then when the later and greater can (Omega) came out they were designed to use the ASR mount instead of the trifecta. The fact that the mounts are so similar in size (OD of 1.50" vs 1.56" if I remember correctly) that everyone wonders why SiCo opted for the Omega/Harvester mount instead of the MAAD setup. The release of an Omega trifecta mount is the $100,000 question at this point. They didn't want to kill Saker sales.... that's the $100,000 answer. I call BS on them "not being able to use the trifecta MAAD module" on the Omega. It was a biz/marketing decision, plain as day. I could see their issue though.... they have this awesome can go through R&D, and ready for production, but it may kill their flagship (Saker) can in the process. They WANT to sell the shit out of all of them, not just one of them.... hence making it "different" with an arguably inferior mounting system. FWIW, I JUST ordered a new Saker-762.... I could have ordered the Omega, but I'm sold on the trifecta MAAD system. A couple ounces and a couple decibels is trumped by the modularity, durability and the superior mounting system IMO of the Saker. -ZA |
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Brownells FTW. I ordered a Trifecta flash hider there two days ago... seemed to have plenty in stock. You aren't looking hard enough. I also think Silencer Shop has them in stock as well. -ZA Quoted:
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So, if i got caught with a saker in jail now that the omega has come out....I need to stock up on ASR mounts and buy an Asr MAAD module for all of my rifle so i can run the saker and eventually get an omega? My saker will come with the Trifecta Maad mount and 1 break. I plan on being able to eventually run my saker and an omega between all my rifles in 5.56 and 300. Did I miss something or is there a better way? Im asking because of the ASR mount from the "big bore" harvester. Any help is greatly appreciated. edit - As in is the big bore harvester mount the exact same as specwar and omega? Will it fit saker ASR MAAD module? Depending on where you bought it, you may be able to get the trifecta module swapped out for the ASR module. (Not sure you'd get a muzzle device with it that way or not). I bought one at Silencer Shop and they swapped the trifecta MAAD mount for the Y-Mount, and also had a local dealer here swap have SiCo swap it out. That saved me from having to pay out of pocket for the Y-Mount. The ASR muzzle devices are the same...doesn't matter which suppressor you'll use. The Specwar, the Harvester Big Bore and Omega ASR mount (it's the same piece) and the Saker ASR MAAD mount will all mount to the ASR muzzle devices (which come standard with the Specwar and Omega). The one downside to the ASR mounts is you have to access the latch at the rear of the can, so tucking it inside a rail could be an issue...but that may not be a problem depending on your hosts. That makes my mind up right there on mounting options. I want to tuck the rear of my saker in the handguards . Looking around everyone is out of the trifecta mounts is that a sign of change ? Brownells FTW. I ordered a Trifecta flash hider there two days ago... seemed to have plenty in stock. You aren't looking hard enough. I also think Silencer Shop has them in stock as well. -ZA I back ordered one 1/2" and one 5/8" through Brownells. Last night Silencer Shop and Brownells were both out. 
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