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Posted: 8/16/2014 3:54:56 PM EDT
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I'm looking at the Specwar 7.62, Saker and Recce 7, mainly for use on a 556 AR15 16", a 308 bolt gun and a HK91 clone (PTR91).
I look at it like this: Specwar, longer, heavier, only one to have a HK91 mount, $720. Saker, lighter, shorter, louder, $900. Recce 7, lighter, shorter, louder $716. I wavier back and forth on which one to get as I don't know if an extra 1.5" and 4 oz on the Specwar is a big deal or not. The Specwar is also the only one with the HK mount which is a big plus, but I guess I could have the gun retreaded. Then again it is said that HKs don't suppress well. The multi mount on the Saker doesn't mean much to me as I don't have any other mounts. If I go with the Saker, should I get the direct thread mount or should I put a brake or flash hider mount on the bolt gun? Your thoughts? |
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I'm looking at the Specwar 7.62, Saker and Recce 7, mainly for use on a 556 AR15 16", a 308 bolt gun and a HK91 clone (PTR91). I look at it like this: Specwar, longer, heavier, only one to have a HK91 mount, $720. Saker, lighter, shorter, louder, $900. Recce 7, lighter, shorter, louder $716. I wavier back and forth on which one to get as I don't know if an extra 1.5" and 4 oz on the Specwar is a big deal or not. The Specwar is also the only one with the HK mount which is a big plus, but I guess I could have the gun retreaded. Then again it is said that HKs don't suppress well. The multi mount on the Saker doesn't mean much to me as I don't have any other mounts. If I go with the Saker, should I get the direct thread mount or should I put a brake or flash hider mount on the bolt gun? Your thoughts? I have a Specwar 556. If I had to do again I think the saker in 7.62 with a 556 front cap would be my choice. |
| I went with the 7.62 SpecWar. The added length and weight weren't a big deal to me, I don't run and gun just hunt and target shoot. Having a silencer that is rated up to 300RUM, one of the quietest, built like a tank, awesome customer service and a mounting system I like good enough and a great price is what did it for me. I'll be using mine on mostly 5.56 and 300BLK and at some point .308. It's my 3rd SilencerCo can. |
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I went with Spcwar 7.62 also and the only reason for me is because I will be using it on my AR pistol (7.5") and Specwar is the only one that will work with short barrel, if not I will go with Saker....I will also be using it on other caliber rifles so spending $700 on one suppressor for multiple riles is no brainer. |
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I went with Spcwar 7.62 also and the only reason for me is because I will be using it on my AR pistol (7.5") and Specwar is the only one that will work with short barrel, if not I will go with Saker....I will also be using it on other caliber rifles so spending $700 on one suppressor for multiple riles is no brainer. I think SilencerCo has also given an OK to 7.5. AAC does as well for the SDN-6 but it's not on his list |
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I went with Spcwar 7.62 also and the only reason for me is because I will be using it on my AR pistol (7.5") and Specwar is the only one that will work with short barrel, if not I will go with Saker....I will also be using it on other caliber rifles so spending $700 on one suppressor for multiple riles is no brainer. Both of the Sakers are good down to 7" on 5.56 I went with the Sakers over the Specwars primarily because of the length and weight. For me, 4oz is not an insignificant amount and it's right in the worst place on the end of the gun. Also 1.5" may not be a lot, but every bit counts when you're trying to keep it as compact as you can. Whether those are important to you is something you will have to figure out based on your intended uses. Both the Sakers and Specwars ware built like tanks and will last forever. I'm not exactly sure how the Specwar mounts, but I think it requires access to the base of the can. The Saker with the trifecta mount screws on just like a direct thread. Not sure if that's important or not, but it's something to consider. |
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I bought the Specwar762 since the Saker762 didn't exist a year+ ago.
If I was to do it again today I would probably still pick up the Specwar for the theoretically slightly better suppression but it would be a toss up given the Saker smaller size/weight and whether the increased cost is worth it. My Specwar762 will primarily be used on a bolt gun (308 and eventuallly a 300BLK bolt ) or bipod setup AR10 so a touch of extra weight doesn't really matter to me. I wouldn't ever use the Saker762 on 5.56 since I have a handful of 5.56 suppressors, so there is no benefit there. Next up will probably be a 300BLK integ to have the highest level of suppression and most compact form factor for pig hunting. I just don't see a time I would ever want more than one 300BLK AR based setup and figure an integ is the way to go for the one dedicated hunting rig. My use case may be very different from yours and if this is going to be your one and only centerfire rifle can and is going to be used on 5.56, 300BLK, 308win, etc. than the Saker in my opinion is easily the hands down winner for the smaller size compared to the Specwar and available 5.56 front cap. |
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According to Austin from griffin, he told me the recce 7 is 8 decibals quieter than the spec war at the right ear with supersonic 300 blk. With what load out of what gun with what length barrel, first round?, what were the conditions?, what was the ambient noise level?, when was the meter calibrated, was it in exactly the same location?, be very careful when someone quotes numbers on a silencer in absolutes. YMMV |
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With what load out of what gun with what length barrel, first round?, what were the conditions?, what was the ambient noise level?, when was the meter calibrated, was it in exactly the same location?, be very careful when someone quotes numbers on a silencer in absolutes. YMMV Quoted:
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According to Austin from griffin, he told me the recce 7 is 8 decibals quieter than the spec war at the right ear with supersonic 300 blk. With what load out of what gun with what length barrel, first round?, what were the conditions?, what was the ambient noise level?, when was the meter calibrated, was it in exactly the same location?, be very careful when someone quotes numbers on a silencer in absolutes. YMMV Ya I would take statements like that with a grain of salt, not saying he's lying, but the conditions that got those results may not be practical or just aren't close to what you are doing. |
| We actually had a shoot the other day where our nfa dealer let us all run our jailed items. I have a couple specwar 7.62 I'm waiting on and my buddy has a Saker 762 he's waiting on. We had the chance to fire right next to each other. Both on 11.5" 5.56 and 10.2" 300blk. While swapping up and trying the others the weight was negligible. If clearing a building you should be aware of the end of your barrel in your movement and neither were short. The big thing was the suppression. On sub 300 the results were essentially the same. On 5.56 the specwar was noticeably quieter. For me the specwar and Saker are so close to one another that the drastically cheaper price of the specwar makes it the winner unless you are already invested in a bunch of mounts. For someone just starting out that doesn't already have a few hundred in mounts I doubt you would be unhappy with the specwar. |
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We actually had a shoot the other day where our nfa dealer let us all run our jailed items. I have a couple specwar 7.62 I'm waiting on and my buddy has a Saker 762 he's waiting on. We had the chance to fire right next to each other. Both on 11.5" 5.56 and 10.2" 300blk. While swapping up and trying the others the weight was negligible. If clearing a building you should be aware of the end of your barrel in your movement and neither were short. The big thing was the suppression. On sub 300 the results were essentially the same. On 5.55 the specwar was noticeably quieter. For me the specwar and Saker are so close to one another that the drastically cheaper price of the specwar makes it the winner unless you are already invested in a bunch of mounts. For someone just starting out that doesn't already have a few hundred in mounts I doubt you would be unhappy with the specwar. I wonder if they'll ever offer the Specwar 7.62 with a thread on front cap like the saker. Would make my day. |
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Ya I would take statements like that with a grain of salt, not saying he's lying, but the conditions that got those results may not be practical or just aren't close to what you are doing. Quoted:
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According to Austin from griffin, he told me the recce 7 is 8 decibals quieter than the spec war at the right ear with supersonic 300 blk. With what load out of what gun with what length barrel, first round?, what were the conditions?, what was the ambient noise level?, when was the meter calibrated, was it in exactly the same location?, be very careful when someone quotes numbers on a silencer in absolutes. YMMV Ya I would take statements like that with a grain of salt, not saying he's lying, but the conditions that got those results may not be practical or just aren't close to what you are doing. Not saying that I believed him but I do know that silencershop's info on suppression with the recce 7 isn't up to date as they updated the internals. Griffin's website has more up to date info. I have been debating between the recce 7 and the saker and for me it just makes more sense to buy the saker. The mounts are pretty nice on the recce but I don't really want a flash hider or break on my 270. Really think anyone of the suppressors op listed are excellent options and he just needs to decide the most important features for him |
| I'm not saying he's lying. I'm saying there are so many variables is silencers that saying my silencer is "X" db better than brand x is difficult for me to believe. If they said ours is 6-10 db quieter measured 22 inches behind the muzzle at 72degf in testing by X labs and here's the report, maybe I would believe that. I've seen 6-10 db differences reported between shots in some tests I've seen. |
| I'd go with the Specwar suppressor. They're awesome suppressors and I now own two 556 Specwars and one 762 Specwar. The price is right, and they are built like tanks. I was able to afford more and buy another suppressor by going with the Specwar's over the Saker's. If you plan to tuck it under a rail, then get the Saker, if you don't then go with the Specwar. Bottomline, if you go with Silencerco and you can't go wrong. Their customer service is second to none. |
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You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. Quoted:
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Thanks guys... Looks like I'm leaning towards the Specwar, but I'm still (somewhat) undecided. You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. The Specwar is one hand on/off also. |
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Quoted: You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. Quoted: Quoted: Thanks guys... Looks like I'm leaning towards the Specwar, but I'm still (somewhat) undecided. You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. Some people don't need the extras. |
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Thanks guys... Looks like I'm leaning towards the Specwar, but I'm still (somewhat) undecided. You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. The Specwar is one hand on/off also. The Specwar is most definitely not one hand on/off... Try tucking it under a rail and locking it. |
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You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. Quoted:
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Thanks guys... Looks like I'm leaning towards the Specwar, but I'm still (somewhat) undecided. You should pony up for the Saker. More modualrity of mounts and end caps and one handed on/off. This would only be appealing if the person had mounts already from other cans or had a few that were pinned and welded. For someone new to the game it would just introduce an extra layer of unnecessary parts. The specwar is also one hand off as well. All I had to do was twist the ring and unscrew. The only big advantage to the Saker twist on mount is hidden under a rail, and I can tell you this from my specwar touching my rail. That gets really hot really fast. |
| I have 3 Specwars so I know what I'm talking about. By one hand on/off that means that you could mount the suppressor under a rail and lock it. So go ahead and stick the suppressor under the rail and lock it down. Let me know how that goes. The Saker can be mounted under a rail and locked, the Specwar can not. |
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When I mount and remove my Specwar I use one hand. True it's not under a rail. Why you would want to put a very hot can under a rail is beyond me but whatever.
If for some reason I wanted to do that I would use direct thread anyway. Having the mount under the hand guard means you'll never fire it with the silencer off again, so why spend extra on a removable mounting system? |
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I have 3 Specwars so I know what I'm talking about. By one hand on/off that means that you could mount the suppressor under a rail and lock it. So go ahead and stick the suppressor under the rail and lock it down. Let me know how that goes. The Saker can be mounted under a rail and locked, the Specwar can not. I have one also. Big whoop. |
| Im happy with my recce 7 and PHS338 but I'm bit aggrivated with griffin in that only 6 months after they released their new line of taper mount cans they redesigned the baffles and now want to charge me 300 to update the baffles in my recce 7. Not a very nice move to do to people who buy your products when they first come out. It was a learning experience and once again reminds me why I try not to be a first adopter of anything. If I was buying right now no doubt I'd go saker 7.62 over the recce 7. |
| Ok, Willie you completely took all that the wrong way. That said, I never doubted that you owned a suppressor. Tucking a suppressor under a rail is very popular amongst SBR and 300 BLK crowd in order to achieve minimum overall length. In that arena the Saker would be preferred because it is able to be used under a rail because it doesn't have an external locking collar like the Specwar has. The Saker utilizes a internal, locking collar. It is true one-handed design because it is capable of being put on AND locked, even if you can only access the outer 1/4 of the can. And please don't turn this into a big dick contest. |
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Ok, Willie you completely took all that the wrong way. That said, I never doubted that you owned a suppressor. Tucking a suppressor under a rail is very popular amongst SBR and 300 BLK crowd in order to achieve minimum overall length. In that arena the Saker would be preferred because it is able to be used under a rail because it doesn't have an external locking collar like the Specwar has. The Saker utilizes a internal, locking collar. It is true one-handed design because it is capable of being put on AND locked, even if you can only access the outer 1/4 of the can. And please don't turn this into a big dick contest. Also, you can put a direct thread rear cap on the Saker and mount directly to your barrel and cut a bit of weight, if you wanted to. |
| For the money and what you are spending, just get the Saker. Yeah it may be like 2 or 3db loader than the specwar, but you are buying it for life pretty much, it has multiple attachments at both ends and I'm sure more will come out in time, it's a damn tank, it's not long as all hell, and really if you're spending 720 on the specwar (if you go with Silencer Shop) then add the tax stamp that'll be 900+ bucks, and the saker is 899 from SS so add for the stamp to that, you are like 200+- bucks off from from the specwar. And if you are up in the range of spending a a thousand dollars, honestly what is another couple hundred in the grand scheme of things? |
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I went with the 7.62 SpecWar. The added length and weight weren't a big deal to me, I don't run and gun just hunt and target shoot. Having a silencer that is rated up to 300RUM, one of the quietest, built like a tank, awesome customer service and a mounting system I like good enough and a great price is what did it for me. I'll be using mine on mostly 5.56 and 300BLK and at some point .308. It's my 3rd SilencerCo can. +1 This was my reasoning - with emphasis on the 'built like a tank' piece. My specwar762 is still in jail so I don't have any personal experience to share, but I plan to use it on 300BLK, .223, and 308. (5 rifles total and counting). I like the versatility. The plan is for this to be my one and only centerfire rifle can. 
In case it helps your decision in regards to length- Here she is on my 8.5" 300BLK AR pistol. Sure, it's a little bit longer and heavier than the others, but the way I look at it - you buy a suppressor for sound suppression so when the cheaper option is quieter than the more expensive option, this is a no-brainer. The only reason I can see someone needing something shorter is if they plan to clear houses with it or work around vehicles in situations where your life is on the line. Personally, I won't be using my suppressor for either of these purposes so I'm fine with the specwar762. I've worked in/around armored vehicles and this thing is quite literally 'built like a tank.' I just can't wait until I can take her out and shoot it! |
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