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Posted: 3/14/2014 1:39:37 PM EDT
| AAC Prodigy. Gen 3 monocore and new removal tool. Where does that leave this .22 can amongst all other offerings? |
| AAC still recommends cracking it open every 200 rnds and cleaning every 600rnds. While that doesn't make it a bad can, there are other options out there for cans that can be used indefinitely and still successfully disassembled without damage. If I were looking for a .22 can and the prodigy was all that was available in stock localy, I'd buy one. If there was a Sparrow or Spectre on the shelf next to it...no way... |
| Removal and cleaning more often than others wouldn't bother me much. Performance, weight and length and most importantly sound reduction over the others worth the added coin? If you spend $700 for a .22 can it had better be quiet, not just kind of quiet. What's the point of saving a couple hundred dollars for a can that isn't as quiet right? Interesting that the Prodigy seems to be at the top or near the top in the way of sound reduction from actual testing but rarely do you see any mention of it in .22 suppressor threads. Why doesn't it share a larger portion of the market? Is it that the Element is only a tad more expensive, so if you are going to spend some money you might as well by their most expensive offering? Is the small amount of weight and noise reduction over other offerings that are less expensive not worth the added price tag? |
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Where are you finding a $700 .22LR can? Ouch... The Element is quieter than the Prodigy, and probably one of the quietest .22LR cans on the market. But I can barely tell the difference between the Element and the Sparrow. What the Sparrow gives up in first round pop over the Element (which can be negated with an ablative), it gains in servicability. The Element is also a good bit lighter than the Sparrow if that matters. I like slightly overbuilt and maintenance free, which is why I chose the Sparrow, but there's nothing "wrong" with the Prodigy.
ETA: My advice is get out there with some local NFA owners and try each. I think you'll see that the differences of one or two Db aren't even noticed. Some here will argue that Db's are everything. My Sparrow is plenty quiet...quieter than my AAC Pilot. It's your money though...do some hands on research. |
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Quoted: Removal and cleaning more often than others wouldn't bother me much. Performance, weight and length and most importantly sound reduction over the others worth the added coin? If you spend $700 for a .22 can it had better be quiet, not just kind of quiet. What's the point of saving a couple hundred dollars for a can that isn't as quiet right? Interesting that the Prodigy seems to be at the top or near the top in the way of sound reduction from actual testing but rarely do you see any mention of it in .22 suppressor threads. Why doesn't it share a larger portion of the market? Is it that the Element is only a tad more expensive, so if you are going to spend some money you might as well by their most expensive offering? Is the small amount of weight and noise reduction over other offerings that are less expensive not worth the added price tag? The prodigy was introduced with a net sound reduction of 41dB, higher than any .22 can before it in it's size class. Much celebration ensued. Then AAC tweaked the core and shipped a different core than was in the tests. People didn't like that. It also didn't perform as well. Then AAC sent out new cores. These performed well. Then some owners complained of bullet tumbling. AAC set to re-designing the core to fix the tumbling issues. Now they are on the, what, 3rd iteration? Other companies came out with cans that equaled the NSR of the Prodigy so there was no reason to wait on AAC fixing it. So that's why it didn't turn out as popular as some other cans. |
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The prodigy was introduced with a net sound reduction of 41dB, higher than any .22 can before it in it's size class. Much celebration ensued. Then AAC tweaked the core and shipped a different core than was in the tests. People didn't like that. It also didn't perform as well. Then AAC sent out new cores. These performed well. Then some owners complained of bullet tumbling. AAC set to re-designing the core to fix the tumbling issues. Now they are on the, what, 3rd iteration? Other companies came out with cans that equaled the NSR of the Prodigy so there was no reason to wait on AAC fixing it. So that's why it didn't turn out as popular as some other cans. Quoted:
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Removal and cleaning more often than others wouldn't bother me much. Performance, weight and length and most importantly sound reduction over the others worth the added coin? If you spend $700 for a .22 can it had better be quiet, not just kind of quiet. What's the point of saving a couple hundred dollars for a can that isn't as quiet right? Interesting that the Prodigy seems to be at the top or near the top in the way of sound reduction from actual testing but rarely do you see any mention of it in .22 suppressor threads. Why doesn't it share a larger portion of the market? Is it that the Element is only a tad more expensive, so if you are going to spend some money you might as well by their most expensive offering? Is the small amount of weight and noise reduction over other offerings that are less expensive not worth the added price tag? The prodigy was introduced with a net sound reduction of 41dB, higher than any .22 can before it in it's size class. Much celebration ensued. Then AAC tweaked the core and shipped a different core than was in the tests. People didn't like that. It also didn't perform as well. Then AAC sent out new cores. These performed well. Then some owners complained of bullet tumbling. AAC set to re-designing the core to fix the tumbling issues. Now they are on the, what, 3rd iteration? Other companies came out with cans that equaled the NSR of the Prodigy so there was no reason to wait on AAC fixing it. So that's why it didn't turn out as popular as some other cans. So don't buy it because it's all fixed now? 
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Where are you finding a $700 .22LR can? Ouch... ETA: My advice is get out there with some local NFA owners and try each. I think you'll see that the differences of one or two Db aren't even noticed. Some here will argue that Db's are everything. My Sparrow is plenty quiet...quieter than my AAC Pilot. It's your money though...do some hands on research. Total cost, can plus stamp. I have several .22 cans already and have shot just about all of them except for the Prodigy. Just wondering why there is not much love seeing how the specs look great. |
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The man asked why it didn't share a larger portion of the market. That is the answer. Don't like it, kindly go....to GD. I'll be nice. But let it be known that I don't like you. Quoted:
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So don't buy it because it's all fixed now? The man asked why it didn't share a larger portion of the market. That is the answer. Don't like it, kindly go....to GD. I'll be nice. But let it be known that I don't like you. Makes sense. We're all very lucky to have the tidal wave of new suppressor offerings over the last few years. Competition is always good for the industry and the consumer. In the firearm market, first impressions go a long way and as a manufacturer it must be a challenge to stay relative a cutting edge to capture and keep your audience. A few hiccups or wrong turns and you've lost us. Anyone else have the newest Prodigy and would like to chime in? |
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When I was doing my research several years ago the Prodigy was a serious contender.
While I would have liked to hear some cans being shot; there were very few people that I knew that had cans. As of now several years later, I only personally know 5 that own any cans now. And the selection is limited. As I understood it, the Prodigy was better for rifles and the Element2 was better for pistols. The Sparrow at the time was coming out with the s/s core and was reportedly way easier to clean; so I think that is what swayed me over to the Sparrow. I picked up a Liberty Essence and I am quite happy with it; I think I like it better than the Sparrow actually. I was watching some YouTube video with Landry's Guns and when they were shooting the Element2, you heard someone in the background say "that's the quietest one yet". I now have an Element2 due to get out of purgatory next month. I bought it to go on a pistol though. As far as rifle quietness, nothing compares to the integrals. I have a Thompson Machine Operative barrel for the 10/22 and a Operative B on a Savage MK II and they are both silly quiet. They can do an integral on a Ruger 77/22 and a CZ also. Hope this helps. |
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I own the prodigy. It came with an older core, but I sent it in and it was upgraded to gen 3 at no cost. I haven't noticed a huge sound difference between the generations, but the latest core is much easier to take apart.
It's a very light, quiet can, but with the offerings available right now, I'd be hard pressed to buy another one. There are less expensive and easier to clean and take apart offerings out there now, though very few cans are lighter in weight. Mine sounds much better on a ruger 22/45 than it does on any rifle I've tried. IIRC I paid was around 600 with stamp. |
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I own the prodigy. It came with an older core, but I sent it in and it was upgraded to gen 3 at no cost. I haven't noticed a huge sound difference between the generations, but the latest core is much easier to take apart. It's a very light, quiet can, but with the offerings available right now, I'd be hard pressed to buy another one. There are less expensive and easier to clean and take apart offerings out there now, though very few cans are lighter in weight. Mine sounds much better on a ruger 22/45 than it does on any rifle I've tried. IIRC I paid was around 600 with stamp. Thanks for contributing. I'm picking up a 22/45 LITE today, reason being that the Prodigy is almost the exact diameter as the LITE barrel and makes for a nice transition. My all time favorite .22 pistol as a suppressor host is an old pre war Colt Woodsman. Great Grandfather passed down a pristine Woodsman from 1921 I believe and I couldn't justify threading it, but was lucky to find another. Sweet shooting pistols for sure. |
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Are you looking for a can to swap between rifles and pistols or primarily one or the other?
I am very satisfied with the Liberty Essence on a pistol and it does a good job on a rifle also. It's a Ti can btw. I think that the Element2 will edge it out sound wise on a pistol (but probably not by much). |
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Are you looking for a can to swap between rifles and pistols or primarily one or the other? I am very satisfied with the Liberty Essence on a pistol and it does a good job on a rifle also. It's a Ti can btw. I think that the Element2 will edge it out sound wise on a pistol (but probably not by much). Mainly just curious why the Prodigy is rarely spoken of in .22 suppressor threads when the specs listed would indicate that it should be a good performer. Been reading more about the monocore evolution and understand now why it may have placed it in a bad light and put reasonable doubt into the minds of those in the market. |
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I own the prodigy. It came with an older core, but I sent it in and it was upgraded to gen 3 at no cost. I haven't noticed a huge sound difference between the generations, but the latest core is much easier to take apart. It's a very light, quiet can, but with the offerings available right now, I'd be hard pressed to buy another one. There are less expensive and easier to clean and take apart offerings out there now, though very few cans are lighter in weight. Mine sounds much better on a ruger 22/45 than it does on any rifle I've tried. IIRC I paid was around 600 with stamp. ^This basically echoes my sentiments exactly. It was top-of-the-line when I bought it, and I'm still happy with its performance, but having to do over again, I would opt for something with better take-apart capability and more approved hosts. Prodigy is a .22 LR only can. |
I have the Prodigy, and I have never heard of a Gen 3 core upgrade. I called AAC today to ask them about it, and the guy I spoke with had never heard of a Gen 3 core either. He said there was only the Gen 2 core upgrade. 
I do have the Gen 2 upgrade, and I wish I would have kept the Gen 1 because I remember it being quieter when I did the upgrade years ago. Regarding the Prodigy itself, when I bought it at the time, it was the quietest can on the market, and it was considered top of the line. I have not checked lately, but the last time I looked both the Prodigy and Element are priced higher than the competition, and I would not buy either for that reason alone. Aluminum and cleaning is a non-issue for me, and IMHO the supposed cleaning an aluminum can issue is way overblown. I have always just smeared Bore Butter on my aluminum cans, and the majority of crud just wipes off. The rest gets soaked in mineral spirits. Over tens of thousands of rounds, I think I have only scrubbed once or twice. I also prefer the lighter weight aluminum cans. So for me personally, price is the only issue with Prodigy today. |
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Thanks for the pics. What's up with the letters on the core? "MULLET"? |
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As far as I know the gen 3 upgrade was only offered to people having problems with gen 2 core and instability on some guns it was not an offer to everyone to have a free upgrade.
and I've had the gen 1 Gen 2 and now the gen 3 Core... I would say if you have a problem with any of your host guns definitely send it in and get the gen 3 Core. although now my prodigy lives on the end of a savage FV-SR |
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Any recollection as to which hosts where causing issues with stability? I've had my Prodigy on many hosts, and don't think I've ever had any issues. I've also been very pleased with it's sound reduction. I bought it during their transition from the Element to the Element 2, and there where no Elements available. As soon as the Element 2's came out I picked one up, and it has also been an excellent suppressor.
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Any recollection as to which hosts where causing issues with stability? I've had my Prodigy on many hosts, and don't think I've ever had any issues. I've also been very pleased with it's sound reduction. I bought it during their transition from the Element to the Element 2, and there where no Elements available. As soon as the Element 2's came out I picked one up, and it has also been an excellent suppressor. One of my Ruger Mark 2's. Threaded by tornado technologies. At the time I tried all my 22 suppressors on the same Mk with no problems. And I only had a problem with the one MK. I have 20+ .22 hosts that had no problems.a |
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Any recollection as to which hosts where causing issues with stability? I've had my Prodigy on many hosts, and don't think I've ever had any issues. I've also been very pleased with it's sound reduction. I bought it during their transition from the Element to the Element 2, and there where no Elements available. As soon as the Element 2's came out I picked one up, and it has also been an excellent suppressor. I was getting keyholing at 7-10 yards with my Walther P22. AAC put in a Gen3 core for me and it took care of the problem. |
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