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Posted: 12/23/2013 9:02:13 AM EDT
| Im looking into getting my first can with my trust and im having a really hard time making a decision. I cant decide if i should go with a 7.62 can or just 556. In the future i would like to run a suppressed .308 bolt gun and maybe a 300 black out, but as of right now the only gun i will be running suppressed is a 5.56 11.5'' sbr. Should i go ahead and pull the trigger on a 7.62 can, or just get a dedicated sbr can for now and focus on 7.62 later down the road. Im not rich by any means so the money issue makes this a hard decision. Any thoughts, opinions, pics are appreciated. Along with suggestions on what can and why. Thanks! |
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I would go with the full size 7.62mm suppressor, if this is your first can. It will give you the most versatility until you decide to buy more cans (which you will).
The mini is a shortened 7.62mm suppressor, and will not suppress as well as a dedicated 5.56mm suppressor, even though the sizes are similar. I generally tell first time can buyers to avoid mini suppressors, because most of the time, you'll be disappointed by the performance of them. Mini suppressors serve a specific niche, for when you're willing to sacrifice DB reduction for reduced size/weight. They're better suited as a supplement to a full size can, or for people who don't have to pay $200 and wait a year to buy one (GOV/MIL/LEO). |
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For your first cans, go w a larger diameter that can support multiple calibers (308 , 45 etc )
Go 308 until you can diversify. As far as 308 cans, offerings from AAC, SWR and YHM are a good starting place. But also as important is, who are you using as a dealer? Im down here in TX and SilencerShop is just 4 hrs away, and Dave is an awesome guy who knows his stuff. My .02 |
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The correct-for-most-people answer is definitely 762, but mini or fullsize is tough.
If you are going to shoot more 556 down the 762 can than 300 or full power 762, then do the mini. This covers most people as 556 is cheaper and shot more than 762. If you are going to shoot equal or more 30cal than 22cal, then do the fullsize 762 can. But then if you're talking Ti or under 18oz it's might be different. If you're talking thread on, different still. Basically, I wound up with a SF Socom 556, and a Socom 762 and I see merits with both. The 556-RC is definitely lighter and imo even has slightly less blowback than the 762-RC, but it's not so light or so small that I'd say it's drastically different. So in this case, for me, if I shot more 556, I'd probably get the Socom 762 Mini, but like I said, I have both so now I don't need to chose. That said, I think the 556-Mini is a cool can, but definitely more niche than the others. I'd say get a 762 Fullsize, get the ABSOLUTE best can you can afford, remember these are lifetime purchases. If you want to go 556/762 hosts, get a QD can and not thread on. DO YOUR RESEARCH on QD cans... I still see a ton of people recommending AAC 51T even though AAC has already announced a replacement and beyond that the 51T is definitely a flawed mount - so be wary of everything you read on the internet, even this. I think SF is top of the industry right now, without a doubt. But SWR has a great value can. SiCo's saker in 762 will surely be hard to beat. I avoid Gemtech, YHM, Garage-Shops, and even AAC right now. Do your research. |
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Since you already have an SBR approved, get a 7.62 quick detach can. Then, you're just a 300 BLK SBR upper away from true awesomeness. A 5.56 can on a 11.5 upper is still going to be painful to the ear. IMO, suppressors are the most fun on subsonics, e.g. .22LR, 300BLK subs, pistol subs
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I'm with the 7.62 fullsize crowd also.
My initial choice was a AAC Cyclone (great bang for the buck) and I was not disappointed. Get the 5/8-24 OD to 1/2-28 ID adapter also to run on the 5.56; my cans are all thread on, I have no issues with thread on cans. Typically if you are going to run it on a bolt gun, thread on is supposedly more accurate; I run mine on AR-15s and a AR10 also, no problems get a .22LR can also while you're at it......just do it. Thank us later... many fine choices out there for you: AAC SWR Liberty Thunder Beast Arms the Phantom series SAS Surefire SRT and a few I'm forgetting all I want is 3 suppressors...... yeah.......right |
| AAC SDN-6 would be a good start. You'll loose 5-8 decibals with it on a 5.56 compared to a dedicated 5.56 can but the SDN-6 with AAC's 51T mounts will allow you to share the can with several different calibers. I went with a M4-2000 in 5.56 first and wished I had picked up the SDN-6 first instead. |
| Thanks for all the info guys! Looks like 7.62 is gonna be the choice for the first can. Now I just have to decide which one. I'm kinda leaning toward the specwar. Alot of good reviews, but maybe too long and heavy for the sbr. Decisions decisions. I wish a 7.62 saker would come out soon so I could throw that into the lineup |
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AAC SDN-6 would be a good start. You'll loose 5-8 decibals with it on a 5.56 compared to a dedicated 5.56 can but the SDN-6 with AAC's 51T mounts will allow you to share the can with several different calibers. I went with a M4-2000 in 5.56 first and wished I had picked up the SDN-6 first instead. Do you have any issues with the mount? Some people seem to hate them, some seem to love them, some say they are ok. I really like what the SDN-6 has to offer, but im a little worried about the mount. |
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AAC SDN-6 would be a good start. You'll loose 5-8 decibals with it on a 5.56 compared to a dedicated 5.56 can but the SDN-6 with AAC's 51T mounts will allow you to share the can with several different calibers. I went with a M4-2000 in 5.56 first and wished I had picked up the SDN-6 first instead. Do you have any issues with the mount? Some people seem to hate them, some seem to love them, some say they are ok. I really like what the SDN-6 has to offer, but im a little worried about the mount. Can't answer for Bob...but I'll say that mount issues are overblown by those who don't even own AAC cans. Every now and then an AAC owner here or there will complain about it, but ultimately it's a non-issue for 99.995% of AAC owners. AAC's aren't some of the most popular cans on the market because they suck. I chose the SDN6 because it is only 3 oz heavier than the M4-2000, gives you multical options, it's durable, and offers good sound suppression. It's a good balance between weight, suppression, price, and durability. You can spend more on a Surefire and get a better mount if you are that worried, but on the hosts I use my N6 on, it provides repeatable POI shift and improves accuracy on all of them. Do your research and decide for yourself based on your personal criteria. There's quite a few good .30 cal cans on the market right now and you can find "horror stories" on about all of them. Anything made by man can be made improperly. Also...AAC isn't ditching the 51T mount. There was talk of it for a while and it's since subsided. Only a few cans utilize their 90T mount. Even the 18T mount wasn't as bad as some folks claim. I've put plenty of rounds of full auto through an M16 and 18T M4-1000 can and never had it back off. |
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AAC SDN-6 would be a good start. You'll loose 5-8 decibals with it on a 5.56 compared to a dedicated 5.56 can but the SDN-6 with AAC's 51T mounts will allow you to share the can with several different calibers. I went with a M4-2000 in 5.56 first and wished I had picked up the SDN-6 first instead. Do you have any issues with the mount? Some people seem to hate them, some seem to love them, some say they are ok. I really like what the SDN-6 has to offer, but im a little worried about the mount. I have not had any issues with any of my AAC 51T mounts or cans, however I know two people who had issues with the latches. AAC admitted that they received a bad batch of latches that we're not heat treated correctly. Both individuals were taken care of quickly by Mers from AAC. New latches were installed and the cans were refinished and returned looking brand new. The issues you may be referring to are with the can not locking down super tight on the mounts. AAC has more than once responded to threads online stating that the suppressor latch should not be torqued down to clear that last tooth on the mount, but rather rest in the valley, thus giving a bit of play. I've found this to be true on a couple mounts when both the mount and can are new. Once I put some rounds through them the lock up tightened down due to the carbon build up. The SDN-6 isn't for precision shooting, so if you're looking to keep super tight groups I would purchase a direct thread on can. I use all of my suppressors to hunt hogs with at night in conjunction with night vision and IR lasers where precise shooting isn't my expectation. Minute of pig is more my style. I like the AAC ratchet system because I can outfit all my rifles with the 51T mounts and quickly swap cans between them. Although I have several 51T cans, if I were to only have one for my hunting necessities, I would get the SDN-6 which would allow me to use it on all four of the rifles I do most of my pig hunting with depending on the situation I find myself in that particular night. My pig stick tool bag includes a Noveske N6 in .308 for long distance shooting with a clip on when I am hunting from a stationary position like a deer blind, a 6.8 which sees most of the action, a 300 BLK SBR for close up encounters on foot and a 5.56 when shooting a ton of rounds from the air. The SDN-6 would meet the needs of all four. Figure out exactly what you need from your suppressor and what works best with the rifles you'll be using. There are some good cans out on the market right now so get the one that best meets your needs. You mentioned that you are running a short barrel right now so the Inconel baffles offered by AAC would be good for the pressures an unburnt powders from a SBR. You also mentioned that you want to use it on a bolt gun in the future. IMO a bolt gun is best served by a direct thread suppressor unless you step up to the more expensive offerings from companies like Surefire. |
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I have not had any issues with any of my AAC 51T mounts or cans, however I know two people who had issues with the latches. AAC admitted that they received a bad batch of latches that we're not heat treated correctly. Both individuals were taken care of quickly by Mers from AAC. New latches were installed and the cans were refinished and returned looking brand new. The issues you may be referring to are with the can not locking down super tight on the mounts. AAC has more than once responded to threads online stating that the suppressor latch should not be torqued down to clear that last tooth on the mount, but rather rest in the valley, thus giving a bit of play. I've found this to be true on a couple mounts when both the mount and can are new. Once I put some rounds through them the lock up tightened down due to the carbon build up. The SDN-6 isn't for precision shooting, so if you're looking to keep super tight groups I would purchase a direct thread on can. I use all of my suppressors to hunt hogs with at night in conjunction with night vision and IR lasers where precise shooting isn't my expectation. Minute of pig is more my style. I like the AAC ratchet system because I can outfit all my rifles with the 51T mounts and quickly swap cans between them. Although I have several 51T cans, if I were to only have one for my hunting necessities, I would get the SDN-6 which would allow me to use it on all four of the rifles I do most of my pig hunting with depending on the situation I find myself in that particular night. My pig stick tool bag includes a Noveske N6 in .308 for long distance shooting with a clip on when I am hunting from a stationary position like a deer blind, a 6.8 which sees most of the action, a 300 BLK SBR for close up encounters on foot and a 5.56 when shooting a ton of rounds from the air. The SDN-6 would meet the needs of all four. Figure out exactly what you need from your suppressor and what works best with the rifles you'll be using. There are some good cans out on the market right now so get the one that best meets your needs. You mentioned that you are running a short barrel right now so the Inconel baffles offered by AAC would be good for the pressures an unburnt powders from a SBR. You also mentioned that you want to use it on a bolt gun in the future. IMO a bolt gun is best served by a direct thread suppressor unless you step up to the more expensive offerings from companies like Surefire. Quoted:
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AAC SDN-6 would be a good start. You'll loose 5-8 decibals with it on a 5.56 compared to a dedicated 5.56 can but the SDN-6 with AAC's 51T mounts will allow you to share the can with several different calibers. I went with a M4-2000 in 5.56 first and wished I had picked up the SDN-6 first instead. Do you have any issues with the mount? Some people seem to hate them, some seem to love them, some say they are ok. I really like what the SDN-6 has to offer, but im a little worried about the mount. I have not had any issues with any of my AAC 51T mounts or cans, however I know two people who had issues with the latches. AAC admitted that they received a bad batch of latches that we're not heat treated correctly. Both individuals were taken care of quickly by Mers from AAC. New latches were installed and the cans were refinished and returned looking brand new. The issues you may be referring to are with the can not locking down super tight on the mounts. AAC has more than once responded to threads online stating that the suppressor latch should not be torqued down to clear that last tooth on the mount, but rather rest in the valley, thus giving a bit of play. I've found this to be true on a couple mounts when both the mount and can are new. Once I put some rounds through them the lock up tightened down due to the carbon build up. The SDN-6 isn't for precision shooting, so if you're looking to keep super tight groups I would purchase a direct thread on can. I use all of my suppressors to hunt hogs with at night in conjunction with night vision and IR lasers where precise shooting isn't my expectation. Minute of pig is more my style. I like the AAC ratchet system because I can outfit all my rifles with the 51T mounts and quickly swap cans between them. Although I have several 51T cans, if I were to only have one for my hunting necessities, I would get the SDN-6 which would allow me to use it on all four of the rifles I do most of my pig hunting with depending on the situation I find myself in that particular night. My pig stick tool bag includes a Noveske N6 in .308 for long distance shooting with a clip on when I am hunting from a stationary position like a deer blind, a 6.8 which sees most of the action, a 300 BLK SBR for close up encounters on foot and a 5.56 when shooting a ton of rounds from the air. The SDN-6 would meet the needs of all four. Figure out exactly what you need from your suppressor and what works best with the rifles you'll be using. There are some good cans out on the market right now so get the one that best meets your needs. You mentioned that you are running a short barrel right now so the Inconel baffles offered by AAC would be good for the pressures an unburnt powders from a SBR. You also mentioned that you want to use it on a bolt gun in the future. IMO a bolt gun is best served by a direct thread suppressor unless you step up to the more expensive offerings from companies like Surefire. Nobody told my rifle that....  Sure...if you're ONLY suppressing precision rigs then thread on is probably the way to go...but to say that the SDN-6 is not for or won't work for precision shooting is silly.
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| Didn't say it wouldn't work for precision shooting, just that if his desires were for a can specifically for a precision rifle there are better options. I see POI shift with my SDN-6 but it still holds the same accuracy. Glad yours maintains good groups. Good looking rifle. |
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I would check out Surefire 762Mini suppressor. Same size as full size 5.56 can but you can use it on .308 without the size and bulk of a .308 suppressor. I did this.. It suppresses ok. Just ok? I'm about a week away from pulling the trigger on one of these. Any reason I shouldn't? |
For the variety of rifles he's looking at putting the can on, a thread on suppressor seems to be a purchase for later on down the road. Right now something that will allow him to suppress as many rifles as possible would be what I would look for personally. He's in the same boat I was, and I chose the SDN6 just because I found a great deal on one new at the time (but had to F3 it to my dealer). There are even more options now than when the SDN-6 was released. In the end, he'll be fine with any good .30 cal can from Surefire, AAC, YHM, Gemtech, etc. It all comes down to the OP's budget and more importantly, what he can find local and in stock at a fair price...unless he's patient and wants to F3 a can to his dealer...making the entire transfer a year to 18 month ordeal. With the price and the wait...the best option for a first can is one you can use on as many firearms as possible.
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I would check out Surefire 762Mini suppressor. Same size as full size 5.56 can but you can use it on .308 without the size and bulk of a .308 suppressor. I did this.. It suppresses ok. Just ok? I'm about a week away from pulling the trigger on one of these. Any reason I shouldn't? Depending on brand, my experience (and entirely uncalibrated ears) has been that when shooting a 5.56 can next to a .30 cal can, both on 5.56 rifles of equal barrel length, there isn't too much difference in sound level between the two. Most .30 cal cans have a slightly lower and more pleasant tone when shot on a 5.56. You're giving up suppression with the oversized bore but you also have increased volume in most instances, which does well at compensating for that. Regardless, a 5.56 is loud even when suppressed because the sonic crack will always exist, hence why no 5.56 is "hearing safe" with a can. |
Ok.. I bought an Surefire Mini in .30 cal. It goes on my10.5 SBR 5.56 rifle. My friend had the same suppressor in 5.56 on his 10.5 rifle. We shot them side by side last week. I have to be honest... His rifle suppressed quite well. Mine at best took the bark out of the 10.5 rifle. Trust me.,., it's a ton better than non suppressed...and I can shoot 300blk out also and he can't..
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Quoted: Thanks for all the good information guys! I think ive narrowed it down to either the SDN-6 or Surefire mini. I wish i could shoot both before buying. I put a 51T on one of my AR's, on my SCAR 17, and I had a 9-inch AAC 300BLK upper waiting too. There's versatility. Although I've only shot it briefly on the AR and the 300 BLK, I'm very pleased with my choice. |
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