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Posted: 4/2/2013 7:59:38 AM EDT
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Good morning,
I just called the NFA today to get the status on my Form 4 and apparently the dealer made several small mistakes on my paperwork and it was placed into "Error Status".  I've never had this happen before and I'm wondering what happens next? I'm assuming the paperwork is sent back to the dealer, who then must make the necessary corrections and send it back in, right? What happens then? Does my Form 4 get put back in the bottom of the pile again or is it re-examined more quickly the second time? And how long does all this usually take?
Sorry for all the questions, I've already waited 6.5 months and I'm not thrilled that the dealer couldn't take 10 minutes to get the paperwork done right the first time. |
| I had one sent back to me not the dealer because the sheriff deputy did a bad job of fingerprinting me. It was approved shortly after sending in new cards maybe 2-3 weeks. But the fingerprinting part is done by FBI if i'm not mistaken. Now I've got a trust so no cards. |
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F4 will be sent back to the dealer to correct. He will correct and send back to ATF. You will be approved in 1-2 weeks. Approved F4 will be sent to dealer. Dealer will notify you and you go pick it up. Been there, done that.  That was my experience. ATF approved it within a day or two of receiving the corrected Form 4 from the dealer. The the dealer received the stamped form two weeks after that. |
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YOU do nothing. The form goes back to your dealer and he corrects whatever 3rd grade mistakes he made on a 3rd grade form. I cant believe somebody, a dealer, could make a mistake on one, let alone multiples. I have kids under 10 that could fill in the blanks correctly 100% of the time.
Whats your name? Duhhhh Whats your address? Duhhhh Whats your FFL and SOT #? Duhhhh What are you transferring? Duhhhh |
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Quoted: YOU do nothing. The form goes back to your dealer and he corrects whatever 3rd grade mistakes he made on a 3rd grade form. I cant believe somebody, a dealer, could make a mistake on one, let alone multiples. I have kids under 10 that could fill in the blanks correctly 100% of the time. Whats your name? Duhhhh Whats your address? Duhhhh Whats your FFL and SOT #? Duhhhh What are you transferring? Duhhhh Pretty much this. I did have my SDN-6 form 4 kicked back to the dealer because my trust said "Poppy83 Revocable Living Trust" and the dealer just put "Poppy83 Revocable Trust" on the form.
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Then find a dealer that can fill out paperwork correctly, purchase more stuff. Good luck. Quoted:
I cant believe somebody, a dealer, could make a mistake on one, let alone multiples. I have kids under 10 that could fill in the blanks correctly 100% of the time. That's a bit extreme, IMO. Typos and errors happen, especially if you're a high volume dealer processing a lot of forms. Noone is perfect all the time and mistakes happen here and there. And the ATF tends to have some pretty arbitrary standards by which they send forms into problem status. Sometimes, for example, you can abbreviate "Incorporated" into "Inc", and they let it slide. Other times, they'll kick it back because it's not 100% identical to what's on the FFL or trust. We've had them kick back forms that were signed by an employee who wasn't listed as a responsible person on the FFL, and then approve the next 10 forms signed by the same person. It really depends on who the examiner is and what kind of mood they're in that day. If you call the ATF to ask what the problem was, you'll get 10 different answers from asking 10 different people. It's really not as black and white as it sounds. Sometimes, stuff just kicked back for arbitrary reasons. The issue may also be with something the OP submitted, like smudged fingerprints. That will also send the form into problem status, and they will send it back to the dealer requesting another copy of his prints. Until you know what the issue is, don't get too worked up over it. The worst case scenario, it's a problem that takes 10 minutes to correct and adds about a week to your wait time. |
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I did have my SDN-6 form 4 kicked back to the dealer because my trust said "Poppy83 Revocable Living Trust" and the dealer just put "Poppy83 Revocable Trust" on the form. In my experience, that would have about a 50/50 chance of getting approved with no issues, and getting kicked back for correction. |
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Then find a dealer that can fill out paperwork correctly, purchase more stuff. Good luck. Quoted:
I cant believe somebody, a dealer, could make a mistake on one, let alone multiples. I have kids under 10 that could fill in the blanks correctly 100% of the time. That's a bit extreme, IMO. Typos and errors happen, especially if you're a high volume dealer processing a lot of forms. Noone is perfect all the time and mistakes happen here and there. And the ATF tends to have some pretty arbitrary standards by which they send forms into problem status. Sometimes, for example, you can abbreviate "Incorporated" into "Inc", and they let it slide. Other times, they'll kick it back because it's not 100% identical to what's on the FFL or trust. We've had them kick back forms that were signed by an employee who wasn't listed as a responsible person on the FFL, and then approve the next 10 forms signed by the same person. It really depends on who the examiner is and what kind of mood they're in that day. If you call the ATF to ask what the problem was, you'll get 10 different answers from asking 10 different people. It's really not as black and white as it sounds. Sometimes, stuff just kicked back for arbitrary reasons. The issue may also be with something the OP submitted, like smudged fingerprints. That will also send the form into problem status, and they will send it back to the dealer requesting another copy of his prints. Until you know what the issue is, don't get too worked up over it. The worst case scenario, it's a problem that takes 10 minutes to correct and adds about a week to your wait time.  Hopefully that's been fixed...
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Hopefully that's been fixed...Best I can tell, there's no requirement that NFA forms are signed by a responsible person on the FFL. Only that they're authorized by the FFL to sign off on the form. The same goes for 4473's. Anyone can sign them, but the responsible persons on the FFL are the ones who are liable for any mistakes made by other employees who sign. We've asked ATF agents from Bowling Green, Louisville, Atlanta, and the Martinsburg office and have gotten different answers every time we call. We've also gotten differing answers on what it takes to add a responsible person to the FFL. Some ATF agents have told us it requires the fingerprints, photos, etc, and others have told us just to submit the name to the FFLC for them to add the name..... 
We have resorted to having only the responsible persons sign NFA forms to prevent them from getting kicked back, and avoiding delays in approvals. But I don't think that it's a legal requirement, and we cannot get a definitive answer from the ATF on the issue. |
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I've had two kicked back for having a quotation mark in the wrong place on the "XXXX Revocable Trust" part (two items bought at the same time). Simple typo on the trust paperwork. Fixed it, sent them the new copies and had my toys in about a week and a half after that.
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Hopefully that's been fixed...Best I can tell, there's no requirement that NFA forms are signed by a responsible person on the FFL. Only that they're authorized by the FFL to sign off on the form. The same goes for 4473's. Anyone can sign them, but the responsible persons on the FFL are the ones who are liable for any mistakes made by other employees who sign. We've asked ATF agents from Bowling Green, Louisville, Atlanta, and the Martinsburg office and have gotten different answers every time we call. We've also gotten differing answers on what it takes to add a responsible person to the FFL. Some ATF agents have told us it requires the fingerprints, photos, etc, and others have told us just to submit the name to the FFLC for them to add the name.....
We have resorted to having only the responsible persons sign NFA forms to prevent them from getting kicked back, and avoiding delays in approvals. But I don't think that it's a legal requirement, and we cannot get a definitive answer from the ATF on the issue. That doesn't surprise me. A written response from the ATF probably wouldn't do much either. I doubt the examiners would care what one branch office says. CMS |
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