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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:41:28 PM EDT
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My search-fu is weak. No other posts could be found.
I just tripped across this video for the 'Econo-can' while I was researching Ruger 10/22's. Go figure. Anyway... It is an adapter to make an oil filter into a supressor. Linky for Econo-Can Has anyone seen this here or had experience with this product? I'm all about saving money if this is for real, legal, and no ill effects to the host or user. 
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I know, it seems too good to be true, probably is. What are the issues? That the oil filter itself is serialed to the adapter and not "replaceable" according to popular opinion. eta: and it isn't rated for 15w40 synthetic  This. It is illegal for anyone other than a manufacturer to have spare suppressor parts, thereby making it illegal for anyone who owns one of these things to swap out the filter. To be within the letter of the law you'd technically have to ship it back to them and have them install a new filter for you. |
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I know, it seems too good to be true, probably is. What are the issues? That the oil filter itself is serialed to the adapter and not "replaceable" according to popular opinion. eta: and it isn't rated for 15w40 synthetic This. It is illegal for anyone other than a manufacturer to have spare suppressor parts, thereby making it illegal for anyone who owns one of these things to swap out the filter. To be within the letter of the law you'd technically have to ship it back to them and have them install a new filter for you. Better not change your own oil with this thing around. Any time you head to oreilly's your breaking the law. On the plus side, all you do is send it back to them and have them sell you a new oil filter for, what, $15? |
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I know, it seems too good to be true, probably is. What are the issues? That the oil filter itself is serialed to the adapter and not "replaceable" according to popular opinion. eta: and it isn't rated for 15w40 synthetic This. It is illegal for anyone other than a manufacturer to have spare suppressor parts, thereby making it illegal for anyone who owns one of these things to swap out the filter. To be within the letter of the law you'd technically have to ship it back to them and have them install a new filter for you. Better not change your own oil with this thing around. Any time you head to oreilly's your breaking the law. On the plus side, all you do is send it back to them and have them sell you a new oil filter for, what, $15? Yeah that is a lot of hassle though. I wonder how long the cans last before you'd need to replace it. IMO it is a lot more efficient to put the $15 a side every month and save for a real can. |
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I know, it seems too good to be true, probably is. What are the issues? That the oil filter itself is serialed to the adapter and not "replaceable" according to popular opinion. eta: and it isn't rated for 15w40 synthetic This. It is illegal for anyone other than a manufacturer to have spare suppressor parts, thereby making it illegal for anyone who owns one of these things to swap out the filter. To be within the letter of the law you'd technically have to ship it back to them and have them install a new filter for you. Better not change your own oil with this thing around. Any time you head to oreilly's your breaking the law. On the plus side, all you do is send it back to them and have them sell you a new oil filter for, what, $15? Yeah that is a lot of hassle though. I wonder how long the cans last before you'd need to replace it. IMO it is a lot more efficient to put the $15 a side every month and save for a real can. Yeah, no argument there. This was probably a gimmick they played with and realized they could make a little money and not be out much if things went sour. |
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Wasn't the theory that the oil filter was a wipe (you shoot through it after all) and thus replaceable and that the adapter was to be serialized?
Did ATF say that the filter was a tube/permanent internals/baffles, or is ATF insisting that we serialize neoprene disks and other wipe materials now? |
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Wasn't the theory that the oil filter was a wipe (you shoot through it after all) and thus replaceable and that the adapter was to be serialized? Did ATF say that the filter was a tube/permanent internals/baffles, or is ATF insisting that we serialize neoprene disks and other wipe materials now? I think that was their theory, and while looking at their stuff at the gun shows, the one or two cans they had, the adapter was the engraved and serialized portion. However, I don't remember hearing of any case law that would say how the ATF has handled this before. Others might be able to shed more light. |
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Tag.......I have just started to have interest in this thing. Have you heard anything back yet? I got a letter from the ATF on Friday apologizing for the long wait for a response and informing me they had misplaced my letter. They asked me to contact them if I still want an answer to my question and they will send it to the right department. I'll contact them on Monday and ask for the reply to my questions. |
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I seen this letter posted on another forum. The person that posted it obscured his name with another companys logo to hide his name, but anyway here it is.
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I seen this letter posted on another forum. The person that posted it obscured his name with another companys logo to hide his name, but anyway here it is. ATF letter Oh well, bet i can still crank one out on a lathe for shits and giggles *Solvent trap adapter that is 
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I seen this letter posted on another forum. The person that posted it obscured his name with another companys logo to hide his name, but anyway here it is. ATF letter This is certainly a deal killer. |
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I seen this letter posted on another forum. The person that posted it obscured his name with another companys logo to hide his name, but anyway here it is. ATF letter This is certainly a deal killer. Not necessarily. It's not a silencer until you attach a filter to it. According to the letter, you could Form 1 it. To avoid constructive possession charges, you leave the device at your dealer until your Form 1 is approved. Once you have the stamp, YOU are the manufacturer and therefore you are allowed to replace parts, right? Yes, you have to apply for a non-marking variance or take an electropencil to the filter. Am I missing something? |
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I seen this letter posted on another forum. The person that posted it obscured his name with another companys logo to hide his name, but anyway here it is. ATF letter This is certainly a deal killer. Not necessarily. It's not a silencer until you attach a filter to it. According to the letter, you could Form 1 it. To avoid constructive possession charges, you leave the device at your dealer until your Form 1 is approved. Once you have the stamp, YOU are the manufacturer and therefore you are allowed to replace parts, right? Yes, you have to apply for a non-marking variance or take an electropencil to the filter. Am I missing something? If this is true.....I am excited again 
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Once you have the stamp, YOU are the manufacturer and therefore you are allowed to replace parts, right? Yes, you have to apply for a non-marking variance or take an electropencil to the filter. Am I missing something? I don't think that's correct. You are not a licensed manufacturer, and I think you must be a licensed manufacturer in order to replace parts (IE be an FFL/SOT). If you build a suppressor yourself, you still need a form 1 to make or replace the baffles/parts, because you are an unlicensed manufacturer applying to make a single NFA item. I may be wrong on this, but I still don't think a Form 1 is going to allow you to replace suppressor parts at will. |
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Once you have the stamp, YOU are the manufacturer and therefore you are allowed to replace parts, right? Yes, you have to apply for a non-marking variance or take an electropencil to the filter. Am I missing something? I don't think that's correct. You are not a licensed manufacturer, and I think you must be a licensed manufacturer in order to replace parts (IE be an FFL/SOT). If you build a suppressor yourself, you still need a form 1 to make or replace the baffles/parts, because you are an unlicensed manufacturer applying to make a single NFA item. I may be wrong on this, but I still don't think a Form 1 is going to allow you to replace suppressor parts at will. You are correct as i have made many Form 1 cans and after its done I know for a fact that I cant replace any part without going through a SOT or ATF. When you make a Form 1 can you are the maker not a licensed manufacturer. And engraving on these Oil filter adapter suppressors must be on both adapter and filter and .003 deep. I dont think these oil filter cans will last long once ATF gets a good wind of them as the oil filter is considered the tube and the tube of a suppressor cant be replaced without going through ATF and spending another $200, A oil filter is not a wipe that can be replaced like in some suppressor tubes. . Here is a email response from CADIZ GUN WORKS . The Econo Can Suppressor the adapter part is round in shape and threads on to an oil filter for the purpose of shooting though the oil filter and working as a silencer. The adapter part also has the manufacture name Cadiz Gun Works, Jewett, OH and is serial numbered and the oil filter is serial numbered to the adapter. The Econo Can Suppressor is a NFA registered product and transfers on a form 3 to your FFL/SOT dealer. Then you do a ATF Form 4 to register to you. The cost is $75.00 plus $10.00 S&H. The Econo Can Suppressor currently comes in two different thread sizes. 1/2 x 28 right hand threads and 14x1 left hand threads and more sizes coming soon. When the Econo-Can is shipped to you it comes with the Chevy, V8, 350 oil filter attached. The oil filter is serial numbered to the adapter piece. We register it as a complete unit. The Econo can is available and can ship to a FFL/SOT dealer in your state on a form 3. We will need a signed copy of their license. FFL/SOT may be emailed to [email protected]. If you need help locating a dealer, let me know. After we know which dealer is doing your transfer, at that point you would do an ATF form 4 and submit to the ATF/NFA Branch with $200.00 for your Tax Stamp to get it registered in your name or Trust. Your local dealer or Telia here at Cadiz Gun Works can help you with filling out that paperwork (Form 4). We accept money orders, checks, and credit cards (+3%). Payment can be sent to CADIZ GUN WORKS, PO BOX 126, CADIZ, OHIO 43907-0126 Credit card payments accepted over the phone. Call 740 942-3175. To order or if you need further assistance. Call (740) 942-3175 or email [email protected] |
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You know, I'm really fucking sick of all this bullshit. It should NOT be so fucking hard to put a muffler on my guns. I agree Its not that hard to put a muffler on a gun and we should be free to do so like other countries. But we are in the US and must go by rules or pay the price. 
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