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Posted: 1/21/2012 9:11:42 AM EDT
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Howdy everyone.
Well this week at shot show I got to see a lot of cool stuff. Something that made me about crap my pants was silencer co's new can that you can swap the threads out and adapt it to numerous brakes. This got me thinking. Why doesn't AAC offer something similar mainly to help out the guys stuck with the 18t or 51t systems. Why not have an adapter that can be screwed into the end of the can adapting it from a 18t to the new 91 tooth? The 18t and the 51t mount allows the can to come loose and vastly effects the performance. Seems like a simple adapter can be made and it would allow a the guys with the old cans to have an improved mounting system. So I talked to Mike Meres from AAC and voiced my concerns. He brought over an engineer and we all chatted. They understood what I was saying but didn't think it would be worth the time to make such a thing. They did agree that the 18t system is not the greatest and that the 91 is the way to go. Mike didn't seem to be very receptive over a screw in adapter because "screw in systems come apart". I brought up the idea of having the adapter welded into the end and the problem with that is making sure everything is true and not warped when the metal is heated up. Anyways they said they would think about it and see what they could come up with. I love AAC but I think they are dropping the ball when it comes to this stuff. You have to take care of the guys who have the "older" gear and offer them a way to upgrade. Yeah you can go buy the new can but damn that gets spendy. What are arfcoms thoughts on this? Do you think this is possible and if it was would you buy one? |
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche.
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche. Both ways make sense. This and I think AAC makes more cans for the Military, LEO and Feds than civies and the big boys dont need a multi mount when they dedicate the can to one gun. I think the sales and market dictate the cans they make as money talks. |
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche. Both ways make sense. Sure it would add some weight but it would be a retro fit for older cans. AAC's problem is their 18t mount sucks. It allows the can to come loose which in turn causes inaccuracy and possible end cap strikes. If there was an adapter to make your can into a 91t that would eliminate that problem. |
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche. Both ways make sense. Sure it would add some weight but it would be a retro fit for older cans. AAC's problem is their 18t mount sucks. It allows the can to come loose which in turn causes inaccuracy and possible end cap strikes. If there was an adapter to make your can into a 91t that would eliminate that problem. My older 762sd has never come loose past the first notch, never had a baffle strike and the POI is always the same. Maybe I got that one lucky mount and can combo 
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche. Both ways make sense. Sure it would add some weight but it would be a retro fit for older cans. AAC's problem is their 18t mount sucks. It allows the can to come loose which in turn causes inaccuracy and possible end cap strikes. If there was an adapter to make your can into a 91t that would eliminate that problem. My older 762sd has never come loose past the first notch, never had a baffle strike and the POI is always the same. Maybe I got that one lucky mount and can combo
You might have. I have a buddy who's 18t 308 can (can't think of the name) came loose and the bullet shift was all over the map. He even got a few end cap strikes because of it. AAC rewelded a new end cap and gave him a new 51t can and mount (for free). He dealt with mike extensively over this matter and he admitted to it being a known issue. I just want to see us guys who are "stuck" with the old cans to have the option to upgrade to the better more secure mount. I would gladly take a little more weight and a slightly longer can to be able to upgrade. I am not saying AAC should make all of their new can's with the multi mount end caps but it is a cool idea. |
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It is yet to be seen how well this saker mount will work, in the hands of many different users and on many different guns.
You have to turn one ring one way and then the other ring the other way, the guy demonstrating was getting mixed up then he over tightened it and then he couldn't get it off. I mean, it looked a little complicated and you know some complete ass will cross thread his and come in here on a rant and the hype and novelty will have worn off. So for me I guess you could say that I'm not all that impressed, I'd rather have a surefire for that kind of money or a any other great suppressor for a lot less money. As for your 18T mount can, if it were me I'd put some medium thread locker on the mount threads and move on, just turn it into an end mount can. |
| The entire rear of the Saker is removable to allow it to thread in an adapter that will clamp on to the 51 tooth mount. There really is no way to acheave this with the current AAC cans designed around the 18T and 51T mounts. Besides, there is already a mod that allows the 51T mount to lock up rock solid. 18T suppressor owners are completely screwed though. |
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Great job on the responses so far . . .
The silencerco saker is unproven. If a couple of months after they finally are released we don't have any problems than its probably GTG otherwise it will get used and abused harder than silencerco has tested it Im sure. The way AAC makes their mounts makes it hard to do any retro-fitting as its "fully welded". Its WAY cheaper on AAC's part to sell you a new mount that it is to cut/weld/EDM/paint an entire new back-half of a m41k or m42k. |
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The SR-5 is a evolutionary upgrade to the M4-2000. I'm not too worried about my 51T M4-2000 suddenly being obsolete, haha.
I mean, after a certain point, Manufacturers can't keep catering to old customers, and worrying about backwards comparability. It sucks, but just like with technology products and cars, you gotta spend money to keep up with the joneses if that is your desire. I believe silencers to be more like durable goods, like cars and dishwashers though. I still have a WRX I bought ten years ago, I don't expect Subaru to go out of their way to help me with a new car purchase. |
| I drink surefire kool-aid, but I have to rtake up for aac here. Just be wise you no longer have the newest and best does not mean they owe it to you. Do you think Ford owes all the 2010 mustang gt owners new engines just because the 2011 model got a 100hp bump and more displacement? |
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche. Both ways make sense. Sure it would add some weight but it would be a retro fit for older cans. AAC's problem is their 18t mount sucks. It allows the can to come loose which in turn causes inaccuracy and possible end cap strikes. If there was an adapter to make your can into a 91t that would eliminate that problem. I'm not an AAC person, but I talked to one end user who told me that the 51 tooth latch could be integrated into the 18 tooth rear mount with a machining operation- AKA they are very similar mounts. If that's true, that would seem to be the best solution for users who want to upgrade. AAC would still get to sell these people new mounts. Obviously to weld a cap on will result in some warpage. To weld a rough machined component and then finish machine post welding is probably going to be more expensive. |
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I wonder if 18T owners could epoxy in their mounts thereby converting their cans into thread on only, basically converting it into a Cyclone K?
Obviously, if you ordered a QD can in the first place that may not be the best solution, but it might be an option for some. |
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If you have an AAC silencer that is not working for your needs please contact me at [email protected] I personally handle warranty repairs these days. So, if it is an issue with an ACC product I am your huckleberry. You could also PM me on here Mike Mers |
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The SR-5 is a evolutionary upgrade to the M4-2000. I'm not too worried about my 51T M4-2000 suddenly being obsolete, haha. I mean, after a certain point, Manufacturers can't keep catering to old customers, and worrying about backwards comparability. It sucks, but just like with technology products and cars, you gotta spend money to keep up with the joneses if that is your desire. I believe silencers to be more like durable goods, like cars and dishwashers though. I still have a WRX I bought ten years ago, I don't expect Subaru to go out of their way to help me with a new car purchase. The problem isn't upgrading as much as it is the 6 month wait! |
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The entire rear of the Saker is removable to allow it to thread in an adapter that will clamp on to the 51 tooth mount. There really is no way to acheave this with the current AAC cans designed around the 18T and 51T mounts. Besides, there is already a mod that allows the 51T mount to lock up rock solid. 18T suppressor owners are completely screwed though. I have no issues with my 18T mounts. |
I'm curious to hear what causes some 18T mounts to shoot loose while others don't. A "well off" friend with a M-16 lower and an AAC M4-1000 would come to some shoots we put on and we'd put probably close to 800-1000rnds through his rifle and can (Wolf ammo at that) in a day or two. He would never once check to see if it was still tight, although I don't think we ever let it get cool enough to touch... It never shot loose after all the abuse it would get. I'm not by any means saying there aren't valid complaints out there from users with 18T mounts, but what makes one can shoot loose while another stays rock solid?
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/cms81586/?action=view¤t=chris_on_m4.mp4 |
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I like the idea, but there is no question that the modular design adds weight and complexity not needed in a can dedicated to one mount. I think AAC is better off sticking with the simpler, lighter solution as a market leader in rifle cans. Silencer Co needs a way to enter, and therefor, offering the flexibility to use multiple mounts gives them their own niche. Both ways make sense. This and I think AAC makes more cans for the Military, LEO and Feds than civies and the big boys dont need a multi mount when they dedicate the can to one gun. I think the sales and market dictate the cans they make as money talks. This is exactly what I was going to post. AAC is primarily concerned with .mil orders. (Nothing wrong with that - so is KAC) SilencerCo's primary customers are civi shooters. (Again, nothing wrong with that) But that's why it makes more sense for SilencerCo to bring out a consumer type solution like they did. |
| I have a 762-SD w/ the 18T mount and I've had it back off and struck the exit hole/baffle. I called AAC out about it on Silencer Talk and all I got was too bad there's nothing we can do about it. Great can w/ a crappy mount. Now I have the 762-SDN 51T mount in the BATFE process and now they've come out w/ a 91T. Come on AAC get your stuff together!! |
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I have a 762-SD w/ the 18T mount and I've had it back off and struck the exit hole/baffle. I called AAC out about it on Silencer Talk and all I got was too bad there's nothing we can do about it. Great can w/ a crappy mount. Now I have the 762-SDN 51T mount in the BATFE process and now they've come out w/ a 91T. Come on AAC get your stuff together!! If the 18t silencer had a strike something is wrong. Can you Pm me about this? Mike Mers |
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I have a 762-SD w/ the 18T mount and I've had it back off and struck the exit hole/baffle. I called AAC out about it on Silencer Talk and all I got was too bad there's nothing we can do about it. Great can w/ a crappy mount. Now I have the 762-SDN 51T mount in the BATFE process and now they've come out w/ a 91T. Come on AAC get your stuff together!! If the 18t silencer had a strike something is wrong. Can you Pm me about this? Mike Mers From what I've seen on various boards Mers doesn't just log on to do damage control. Sounds like he's the guy you should have talked to in the first place instead of trying to "call them out". |
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I believe it. I've never actually handled one either, I only know what I have read on the internet. The 51T mounts have worked great for me, although on my precision rifle I had to mod it to get it rock solid - something the new 90 tooth mounts address. What mod did you do? |
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Mike has always helped my customers when made aware of problems. He has always stepped up and gone far beyond what is expected to ensure aac customers have a great experience with their investments. Mike was a great guy to talk too. I just hope they can make something to help the guys with the old mounts. |
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I believe it. I've never actually handled one either, I only know what I have read on the internet. The 51T mounts have worked great for me, although on my precision rifle I had to mod it to get it rock solid - something the new 90 tooth mounts address. What mod did you do? You have to sand / grind the surface that the suppressor benches to just above the teeth on the 51T mount. Mine needed very little taken off. Google 51T wobble and read the thread on Snipershide. The mod works great - if you do it right you'll have 0.0 movement. I marked the surface with a sharpie pen and barely zapped the contact areas with a dremmel with very fine grit paper. Took 15 minutes and it is now rock solid. |
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I believe it. I've never actually handled one either, I only know what I have read on the internet. The 51T mounts have worked great for me, although on my precision rifle I had to mod it to get it rock solid - something the new 90 tooth mounts address. What mod did you do? You have to sand / grind the surface that the suppressor benches to just above the teeth on the 51T mount. Mine needed very little taken off. Google 51T wobble and read the thread on Snipershide. The mod works great - if you do it right you'll have 0.0 movement. I marked the surface with a sharpie pen and barely zapped the contact areas with a dremmel with very fine grit paper. Took 15 minutes and it is now rock solid. Copy that. Thanks |
| Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. |
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Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. I don't think your getting the point. Its not an I'm angry because I have the old model, its more like it would be awesome if someone could design a simple upgrade.aac is a great company that makes a great product, there is no doubt about that. |
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Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. I fully understand what you are saying, and for the most part agree. However, some of us, me especially as I am a narcissist, have had POI issues from the get go using the 18T mounts. Now to make things a bit more clear, I am one of the unfortunate folks that bought an M4-2000 mod06, you know the can with the good internals but the 18T mount, and at the time of purchase, a nice little price increase. So once I had my "can" in hand, it was already old tech due to the mounting system as the 51T was now the standard at the same price price point. When I experienced POI issues and contacted AAC I was offered no help in this matter, only the following excuses. 1) They said they had some 18T mounts that were made by YHM that were a bit out of spec. (Again, no offer for exchange, not even a price break on new purchases of mounts.) I bought 3 new mounts, made by AACm that didn't fix the problem. 2) Contacted AAC again, this time I asked if it was possible to upgrade my "old" M4-2000 18T to the newer 51T ON MY DIME, I was told it was possible, but it would cost $500. OUCH! I decided to pass on the upgrade, as I felt I had already dumped way too much money in this suppressor. (Quick recap, can+3 mounts at original purchase+3 "new" mounts.) Another $500 would have put in me in the $2000 price range for the end result. So while I will agree that suppressors are a "consumable" item, and tech changes pretty quickly these days, I should just suck it up. For the most part, I have, but I am sure even you would be hesitant to recommend AAC products if you had the same experience I had. Sorry if I was out of line with my post, this topic just really touches a nerve with me. And while I will more than likely never buy another AAC product again, I am personally responsible for 20 or 30 of their cans being purchased locally in the past few years. 
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Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. I fully understand what you are saying, and for the most part agree. However, some of us, me especially as I am a narcissist, have had POI issues from the get go using the 18T mounts. Now to make things a bit more clear, I am one of the unfortunate folks that bought an M4-2000 mod06, you know the can with the good internals but the 18T mount, and at the time of purchase, a nice little price increase. So once I had my "can" in hand, it was already old tech due to the mounting system as the 51T was now the standard at the same price price point. When I experienced POI issues and contacted AAC I was offered no help in this matter, only the following excuses. 1) They said they had some 18T mounts that were made by YHM that were a bit out of spec. (Again, no offer for exchange, not even a price break on new purchases of mounts.) I bought 3 new mounts, made by AACm that didn't fix the problem. 2) Contacted AAC again, this time I asked if it was possible to upgrade my "old" M4-2000 18T to the newer 51T ON MY DIME, I was told it was possible, but it would cost $500. OUCH! I decided to pass on the upgrade, as I felt I had already dumped way too much money in this suppressor. (Quick recap, can+3 mounts at original purchase+3 "new" mounts.) Another $500 would have put in me in the $2000 price range for the end result. So while I will agree that suppressors are a "consumable" item, and tech changes pretty quickly these days, I should just suck it up. For the most part, I have, but I am sure even you would be hesitant to recommend AAC products if you had the same experience I had. Sorry if I was out of line with my post, this topic just really touches a nerve with me. And while I will more than likely never buy another AAC product again, I am personally responsible for 20 or 30 of their cans being purchased locally in the past few years.
Man this really sucks. PM me so I can send you a new SR5 silencer for free. As a sorry for all the heartache. I hate that you had to endure all that. Mike Mers |
| I purchased a used 762SD that ended up having a ballooned spot on it just inside of the mounting area. Almost too hard to see, but I saw it. AAC replaced it with a new 51T and three new mounts. Cost me another stamp, but they could have easily denied coverage. Im very happy with them and have purchased other AAC products since. |
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Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. I fully understand what you are saying, and for the most part agree. However, some of us, me especially as I am a narcissist, have had POI issues from the get go using the 18T mounts. Now to make things a bit more clear, I am one of the unfortunate folks that bought an M4-2000 mod06, you know the can with the good internals but the 18T mount, and at the time of purchase, a nice little price increase. So once I had my "can" in hand, it was already old tech due to the mounting system as the 51T was now the standard at the same price price point. When I experienced POI issues and contacted AAC I was offered no help in this matter, only the following excuses. 1) They said they had some 18T mounts that were made by YHM that were a bit out of spec. (Again, no offer for exchange, not even a price break on new purchases of mounts.) I bought 3 new mounts, made by AACm that didn't fix the problem. 2) Contacted AAC again, this time I asked if it was possible to upgrade my "old" M4-2000 18T to the newer 51T ON MY DIME, I was told it was possible, but it would cost $500. OUCH! I decided to pass on the upgrade, as I felt I had already dumped way too much money in this suppressor. (Quick recap, can+3 mounts at original purchase+3 "new" mounts.) Another $500 would have put in me in the $2000 price range for the end result. So while I will agree that suppressors are a "consumable" item, and tech changes pretty quickly these days, I should just suck it up. For the most part, I have, but I am sure even you would be hesitant to recommend AAC products if you had the same experience I had. Sorry if I was out of line with my post, this topic just really touches a nerve with me. And while I will more than likely never buy another AAC product again, I am personally responsible for 20 or 30 of their cans being purchased locally in the past few years.
Man this really sucks. PM me so I can send you a new SR5 silencer for free. As a sorry for all the heartache. I hate that you had to endure all that. Mike mers Very cool! |
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Mike, AAC is lucky to have you in customer service. Here's to hoping you are willing to stick around some more in the ARFCOM silencer section and squash a lot of the BS in here. CMS Well said! All my cans are AAC - performance, features, and especially customer service have been top notch. Looking forward to trying the out SR7. |
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Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. I fully understand what you are saying, and for the most part agree. However, some of us, me especially as I am a narcissist, have had POI issues from the get go using the 18T mounts. Now to make things a bit more clear, I am one of the unfortunate folks that bought an M4-2000 mod06, you know the can with the good internals but the 18T mount, and at the time of purchase, a nice little price increase. So once I had my "can" in hand, it was already old tech due to the mounting system as the 51T was now the standard at the same price price point. When I experienced POI issues and contacted AAC I was offered no help in this matter, only the following excuses. 1) They said they had some 18T mounts that were made by YHM that were a bit out of spec. (Again, no offer for exchange, not even a price break on new purchases of mounts.) I bought 3 new mounts, made by AACm that didn't fix the problem. 2) Contacted AAC again, this time I asked if it was possible to upgrade my "old" M4-2000 18T to the newer 51T ON MY DIME, I was told it was possible, but it would cost $500. OUCH! I decided to pass on the upgrade, as I felt I had already dumped way too much money in this suppressor. (Quick recap, can+3 mounts at original purchase+3 "new" mounts.) Another $500 would have put in me in the $2000 price range for the end result. So while I will agree that suppressors are a "consumable" item, and tech changes pretty quickly these days, I should just suck it up. For the most part, I have, but I am sure even you would be hesitant to recommend AAC products if you had the same experience I had. Sorry if I was out of line with my post, this topic just really touches a nerve with me. And while I will more than likely never buy another AAC product again, I am personally responsible for 20 or 30 of their cans being purchased locally in the past few years.
Man this really sucks. PM me so I can send you a new SR5 silencer for free. As a sorry for all the heartache. I hate that you had to endure all that. Mike Mers Are you serious? I am a bit dumbstruck by this offer. PM inbound. |
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Being upset about AAC not upgrading your 18T suppressor is like being pissed at Ford for not upgrading your 80's vintage Mustang to a new model. The 18T was a great option at the time. The 51T is still better than many mounting systems available. If you want the latest and greatest, you've got to pay. If not, get a YHM or SilencerCo. The tax stamp is a cruel fact of life. Sucks, but if you want to play in the NFA world, get used to it. I fully understand what you are saying, and for the most part agree. However, some of us, me especially as I am a narcissist, have had POI issues from the get go using the 18T mounts. Now to make things a bit more clear, I am one of the unfortunate folks that bought an M4-2000 mod06, you know the can with the good internals but the 18T mount, and at the time of purchase, a nice little price increase. So once I had my "can" in hand, it was already old tech due to the mounting system as the 51T was now the standard at the same price price point. When I experienced POI issues and contacted AAC I was offered no help in this matter, only the following excuses. 1) They said they had some 18T mounts that were made by YHM that were a bit out of spec. (Again, no offer for exchange, not even a price break on new purchases of mounts.) I bought 3 new mounts, made by AACm that didn't fix the problem. 2) Contacted AAC again, this time I asked if it was possible to upgrade my "old" M4-2000 18T to the newer 51T ON MY DIME, I was told it was possible, but it would cost $500. OUCH! I decided to pass on the upgrade, as I felt I had already dumped way too much money in this suppressor. (Quick recap, can+3 mounts at original purchase+3 "new" mounts.) Another $500 would have put in me in the $2000 price range for the end result. So while I will agree that suppressors are a "consumable" item, and tech changes pretty quickly these days, I should just suck it up. For the most part, I have, but I am sure even you would be hesitant to recommend AAC products if you had the same experience I had. Sorry if I was out of line with my post, this topic just really touches a nerve with me. And while I will more than likely never buy another AAC product again, I am personally responsible for 20 or 30 of their cans being purchased locally in the past few years.
Man this really sucks. PM me so I can send you a new SR5 silencer for free. As a sorry for all the heartache. I hate that you had to endure all that. Mike Mers This is why Knights and AAC are the only cans I buy. |
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Quoted: It sounded like a sarcastic joke to me.. If Mr. Mers is really giving that gentleman a suppressor he's a stand up guy AAC has given new silencers as warranty replacement many times. This is nothing new, but it is still outstanding each time you learn of it. |
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It sounded like a sarcastic joke to me.. If Mr. Mers is really giving that gentleman a suppressor he's a stand up guy AAC has given new silencers as warranty replacement many times. This is nothing new, but it is still outstanding each time you learn of it. yup. i got one. |
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