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Posted: 4/1/2011 2:22:53 PM EDT
| Has anybody bought or used a red jacket suppressor can you tell me your thoughts on them. Thanks |
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They use flat washers. and their complete disregard of safety (tracers in a dry field? not xray-ing that cannon? that fucker should have blown up) does nothing to advance gun owners let alone the NFA crowd I agree. They do a piss poor job of stageing and filming the sales of NFA items. Id say no attention to that suff is better for us than somewhat lousy attention they try and portray. |
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You could pay $3,000 for a sbr ruger 10/22 and a suppressor. HAHA, so many things on that show is a joke. I’m not defending anyone, I saw this episode and they were selling 2 for $3k. Only the 2 guys buying and Red Jacket know what all was included for the $3k. 2 – SBR’s and 2 – Cans = $800.00 in stamps. Just saying. Later, D |
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Quoted: Quoted: They use flat washers. and their complete disregard of safety (tracers in a dry field? not xray-ing that cannon? that fucker should have blown up) does nothing to advance gun owners let alone the NFA crowd I agree. They do a piss poor job of stageing and filming the sales of NFA items. Id say no attention to that suff is better for us than somewhat lousy attention they try and portray. I don't think you gentlemen understand how television works. It's an industry that I work very closely with so allow me the opportunity to explain. Do you really think the average viewer would sit through even a 3 minute speech on the NFA process? Even granting that they would, I seriously doubt that 3 minutes would adequately cover the amount of time necessary to explain the requisite intricacies of the NFA process. Again, even if we granted that the average viewer cared enough to sit through 3 minutes of NFA speech, it's HIGHLY doubtful that any producer would allow that. Why? It doesn't sell. Very simple. It's not interesting, it's not constantly engaging, and no one really gives a damn about it. You know who really cares, however, if tuners drop out because they're bored with the material? The advertisers. With advertisers in mind, producers have to make decisions that may not sit well with an audience member who is well-versed in a specific area but that will sit well with the average viewer and the advertisers. Even if it makes it all the way past the producers, it may not make it past editing. It may be cut for time constraints. Nothing you can do about it. All this in mind, I've never seen an episode of Sons of Guns. No desire to. Just bear in mind that he may not be attempting to negatively portray NFA owners - that could fall on the backs of any number of people. It's simply not good television to have 3-5 minutes of dry legalese. |
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I don't see where it would take 3 to 5 minutes to do a quick-n-dirty explanation.
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They use flat washers. and their complete disregard of safety (tracers in a dry field? not xray-ing that cannon? that fucker should have blown up) does nothing to advance gun owners let alone the NFA crowd I agree. They do a piss poor job of stageing and filming the sales of NFA items. Id say no attention to that suff is better for us than somewhat lousy attention they try and portray. I don't think you gentlemen understand how television works. It's an industry that I work very closely with so allow me the opportunity to explain. Do you really think the average viewer would sit through even a 3 minute speech on the NFA process? Even granting that they would, I seriously doubt that 3 minutes would adequately cover the amount of time necessary to explain the requisite intricacies of the NFA process. Again, even if we granted that the average viewer cared enough to sit through 3 minutes of NFA speech, it's HIGHLY doubtful that any producer would allow that. Why? It doesn't sell. Very simple. It's not interesting, it's not constantly engaging, and no one really gives a damn about it. You know who really cares, however, if tuners drop out because they're bored with the material? The advertisers. With advertisers in mind, producers have to make decisions that may not sit well with an audience member who is well-versed in a specific area but that will sit well with the average viewer and the advertisers. Even if it makes it all the way past the producers, it may not make it past editing. It may be cut for time constraints. Nothing you can do about it. All this in mind, I've never seen an episode of Sons of Guns. No desire to. Just bear in mind that he may not be attempting to negatively portray NFA owners - that could fall on the backs of any number of people. It's simply not good television to have 3-5 minutes of dry legalese. something like "buying an NFA item is a little more involved than just buying any old gun, it requires more paperwork and possibly approval from your local CLEO and then the a few months of waiting from the ATF for their approval." takes less than 30 seconds and helps dispel the myth that NFA stuff is illegal to own. |
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Didn't take long for the GD SoG bashing to hit the technical threads.
I just don't understand how their TV show and whether it is accurate or portrays NFA or gun ownership in a positive light dictates whether their cans are quality or quiet. Does anyone have any pics of their internals? or dB data? I am sure that information would be more useful to the OP. |
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Just bear in mind that he may not be attempting to negatively portray NFA owners - that could fall on the backs of any number of people. It's simply not good television to have 3-5 minutes of dry legalese. I dont think anybody is asking for 3-5 minutes of explaining...........we are just asking for them to do a better job or portraying the kind of people that might come in and ask for a suppressor. |
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Didn't take long for the GD SoG bashing to hit the technical threads. I just don't understand how their TV show and whether it is accurate or portrays NFA or gun ownership in a positive light dictates whether their cans are quality or quiet. Does anyone have any pics of their internals? or dB data? I am sure that information would be more useful to the OP. I dont have any dB data, but here is a pic that was posted over at silencertalk of one of their suppressors. 
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Didn't take long for the GD SoG bashing to hit the technical threads. I just don't understand how their TV show and whether it is accurate or portrays NFA or gun ownership in a positive light dictates whether their cans are quality or quiet. Does anyone have any pics of their internals? or dB data? I am sure that information would be more useful to the OP. I dont have any dB data, but here is a pic that was posted over at silencertalk of one of their suppressors. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3351/redjacket.jpg is that a 308 can? spring pressed washers with dater holes? If that is 308, not sure if I would trust it. |
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Didn't take long for the GD SoG bashing to hit the technical threads. I just don't understand how their TV show and whether it is accurate or portrays NFA or gun ownership in a positive light dictates whether their cans are quality or quiet. Does anyone have any pics of their internals? or dB data? I am sure that information would be more useful to the OP. I dont have any dB data, but here is a pic that was posted over at silencertalk of one of their suppressors. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3351/redjacket.jpg That can't be real.  Looks like a flashlight with some crap in it. 
I don't think I would want to shoot that. |
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Anyone with half a brain should deduce how big of fucktards they are. putting a rail on a thompson? wtf? $1800 for an AR without a forward assist and no-name internals? Go with someone who actually tells you what they do and doesn't spice things up for tv Glad I am not the only one to think this. Quoted:
If they have suppressors,whose did they copy? "If you can dream it,we can find one someone else did and copy it". Indeed. |
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They were the only company that built a dedicated 7.62X39 AK can in the US, I have one and am very happy with it. Will even used my rifle to make sure the detent held the can flush so I'd have no baffle strikes. After almost messing up my .308(Gem-Tech HVT) can, it was the best option for me.
Regardless of what folks think about the show, if you want a can for a 7.62X39 can, I'd highly recommend their can. It's the only non Gem-Tech can I own, and I have 6 Gem-Tech cans. |
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You could pay $3,000 for a sbr ruger 10/22 and a suppressor. HAHA, so many things on that show is a joke. I’m not defending anyone, I saw this episode and they were selling 2 for $3k. Only the 2 guys buying and Red Jacket know what all was included for the $3k. 2 – SBR’s and 2 – Cans = $800.00 in stamps. Just saying. Later, D and stamps are the responsibility of the buyer, outside of the price of the weapon/item. so $3k + $800 I'm not overly impressed with the picture of that suppressor. with all the other blantant knockoffs they build and call their own, I dont see why they dont knock off someone's bafflestack and "corner the market" |
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Wow I didn't realize I would open a hornets nest on the subject. But thanks for all the decisive info I was looking for and for the other interesting discussions. There are a lot of haters here that is for sure. Haters? Explain this please. How does pointing out a company that produces shit products make people haters? |
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Quoted: Quoted: There are a lot of haters here that is for sure.Wow I didn't realize I would open a hornets nest on the subject. But thanks for all the decisive info I was looking for and for the other interesting discussions. Mechanical engineer here, with a plenty of machining/welding/fab experience, some in firearms.  I will say that most of their stuff is sketchy at best... |
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I like Red Jacket for their AK's. I own one of their suppressors and it does just fine on the platform it was designed for. Like the AK it is simple and to the point.
I like the show too. It's entertaining to me. Dont get fooled by thoses fake lead times. Get ready to wait in line up to 6 months for their stuff. And that was way before the TV show. This is an AK 105 in 5.56. Metered from 143-145. http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/farmallsh/05-20093081.jpg Ak 74SU built by RJ and BMF AL suppressor http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/farmallsh/guns162-1.jpg |
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Wow I didn't realize I would open a hornets nest on the subject. But thanks for all the decisive info I was looking for and for the other interesting discussions. There are a lot of haters here that is for sure. Haters? Explain this please. How does pointing out a company that produces shit products make people haters? the phrase "Haters gonna hate" now becomes "Hater's gonna use logic and reason as to why one company portrays the firearms industry as being a bunch of inbred vocational school dropouts is a bad thing" |
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Wow I didn't realize I would open a hornets nest on the subject. But thanks for all the decisive info I was looking for and for the other interesting discussions. There are a lot of haters here that is for sure. Haters? Explain this please. How does pointing out a company that produces shit products make people haters? The man started a business, employs people, and makes money doing what he does. I dont know everyone here personally, but I bet most of you work for someone else. I am not going to dog on someone who can run and operate their own business just because of something I see on a television show. TV isnt reality. |
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Didn't take long for the GD SoG bashing to hit the technical threads. I just don't understand how their TV show and whether it is accurate or portrays NFA or gun ownership in a positive light dictates whether their cans are quality or quiet. Does anyone have any pics of their internals? or dB data? I am sure that information would be more useful to the OP. I dont have any dB data, but here is a pic that was posted over at silencertalk of one of their suppressors. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3351/redjacket.jpg Those bastards stole my Maglight! |
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Wow I didn't realize I would open a hornets nest on the subject. But thanks for all the decisive info I was looking for and for the other interesting discussions. There are a lot of haters here that is for sure. Haters? Explain this please. How does pointing out a company that produces shit products make people haters? The man started a business, employs people, and makes money doing what he does. I dont know everyone here personally, but I bet most of you work for someone else. I am not going to dog on someone who can run and operate their own business just because of something I see on a television show. TV isnt reality. The problem is that liberals do not differentiate between gun owners or manufacturers. When when does something stupid, they equate it will all gun owners and then propose legislation to ban X because it's so dangerous. Shooting flares out of a "grenade launcher" outside the shop is an excellent example. I guarantee liberals saw that and immediately though "OMG!!! HOW CAN THEY OWN A GRENNNNAAAADDDDEEEEE LAUNCHER!!!!! WE NEED TO BAN IT!" |
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I've neve seen the show. I don't have cable or Direct TV. All I know is the quality of the actual suppressors I've held in my hands.
More power to them for having a show but having never seen it I can not comment on it or the people involved. I making my statement from the products they have produced that I have touched with my own two hands. |
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I'll say one more thing about Will. He sent me an SBR with a can than got stolen in UPS custody. His daughter did not insure it properly. He made me a new gun and can and sent it to me in a timely manner. In other words he ate his screwup and I didn't loose a dime.
You can hate his show and his products but at least he stands behind his products and makes good on his mistakes. Sadly, lots of folks in the biz woudn't have made it right. We've all seen the posts. |
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I haven't seen the show so I can't comment on any of the behavior comments.
The suppressor in the picture on the previous page isn't going to win any sound contest, but the baffles are not washers. They appear to be very shallow angle M baffles, with ports like US patent # 1017,003 from 1912. The most major difference from washers or stamped baffles would be that the baffles are machined from solid billet material, not stamped from sheet metal. The spring simply holds the components forward so they do not gain momentum upon firing. Momentum would be bad. There is nothing structurally unsound about the design that I can see in the photograph. HTG suppressors uses a inconel spring disk to accomplish the same thing in their suppressors. This is a simple way of getting endcaps to seat flush without time consuming fitting of parts. Red jacket seems to have a niche in the market as it pertains to making PBS looking soviet suppressors for people who want to duplicate the PBS look on their AK's. There are similar designs pictured in David Truby's book "Modern Firearm silencers" that were manufactured by Phil Dater under I believe AWC before Gemtech. The M30 pictured in Truby's book is pretty similar except it has less ports and the tube spacers are seperate from the baffles. Obviously that was older technology from the 80's that dated back to the early 1900's, so the design has been obsoleted by mid 80's technology. |
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