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Posted: 4/19/2010 6:49:26 PM EDT
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Ok, I have a G5 on the way already. (Submitted mid Dec, still waiting) I am going to order the multimount under the Gemtax promo. I am also looking at a 308 suppressor also. I really want the Quicksand mainly for the quick attach/detatch feature. But I am looking at the Sandstorm now instead. I have a few questions about both, hopefully you guys can answer them.
1. If I wait and get the Quicksand, will it fit on the same mount that the G5 fits on? Or do I need a different mount for 5.56? 2. Is there any other reason to get the Quicksand over the Sandstorm other than the attachment method? 3. If I get the Sandstorm, will I have to rethread my 5.56 barrels? Or is there an adapter that goes from one thread size to the other? Sorry if these are "dumb" questions but I really need to know so I get what works for me. Thanks. |
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Ok, I have a G5 on the way already. ***Thank you for your purchase! 1. If I wait and get the Quicksand, will it fit on the same mount that the G5 fits on? Or do I need a different mount for 5.56? ***Yes, you may use a 7.62 Quickmount suppressor (HVT or QUICKSAND) on our 5.56mm mounts. 2. Is there any other reason to get the Quicksand over the Sandstorm other than the attachment method? ***No, just the flexibility the quickmounts give you - you may put them on many differently-threaded host weapons and use one suppressor, whereas with a SANDSTORM, you'd have to make sure all your host weapons are threaded the same way (or make/find adapters, if appropriate) for anything that's not threaded 5/8-24. It's not a big deal to get an adapter though, it's common to get 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 adapters to put a SANDSTORM on a 5.56mm AR, for instance. 3. If I get the Sandstorm, will I have to rethread my 5.56 barrels? Or is there an adapter that goes from one thread size to the other? ***See above. You're talking a sub-$50 adapter, which is cheaper than a Quickmount, but nowhere near as elegant a solution as a dedicated QD mounting system. Shorter and lighter though. Kel GEMTECH TEAM GUY ARFCOM INDUSTRY DISCLOSURE: "Don't make the mistake of assuming you and I share any of the same value systems" - Me, aka, Kel |
| If a .223 will be your first silencer I'd wait until you actually get it and hear it before you buy a .30 can. I say this cuz I for the life of me dont know why people pay so much $$$ for a unit that is not quiet no matter what brand and model you buy in centerfire rifle cans. A bullet at supersonic speed is not quiet by any means. A .223 at best with a top notch $1,000+ silencer is close to a .22 rimfire rifle with high velocity rounds in sound. Dont expect merchants or the industry to reveal this to you. If you are aware of this please disregard. If not, be prepared to buy a much cheaper and quieter .22 rimfire can that you can shoot alot. |
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If a .223 will be your first silencer I'd wait until you actually get it and hear it before you buy a .30 can. I say this cuz I for the life of me dont know why people pay so much $$$ for a unit that is not quiet no matter what brand and model you buy in centerfire rifle cans. A bullet at supersonic speed is not quiet by any means. A .223 at best with a top notch $1,000+ silencer is close to a .22 rimfire rifle with high velocity rounds in sound. If you are aware of this please disregard. If not, be prepared to buy a much cheaper and quieter .22 rimfire can that you can shoot alot. He has a good point here. While hearing safe for more intermittent shooting ,223 and 308 is not going to be the "PFFFT" you hear on TV. |
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Ok, I'm now sick of your comments like everyone else is. You have all of this "knowledge" from reading and nothing more. I LOVE my G5 and so does everyone that hears it. I am always worried when I show an old friend that they'll be like "dude you're an idiot and you wasted your money" but they are always happy as they actually realize the difference. .223 suppressed is NOT the same as a .22. The .22 still has quite a bit of pressure that you FEEL in your ears as well as hear. Suppressing a .223 is all about knocking out that pressure spike and likewise, masking your position. Most of the time at the range, people hear the crack but don't even realize it's me right next to them with the suppressor. They just think it's a .22 10 lanes away. You need some REAL WORLD experience to go along with your ST readings. Quoted: If a .223 will be your first silencer I'd wait until you actually get it and hear it before you buy a .30 can. I say this cuz I for the life of me dont know why people pay so much $$$ for a unit that is not quiet no matter what brand and model you buy in centerfire rifle cans. A bullet at supersonic speed is not quiet by any means. A .223 at best with a top notch $1,000+ silencer is close to a .22 rimfire rifle with high velocity rounds in sound. Dont expect merchants or the industry to reveal this to you. If you are aware of this please disregard. If not, be prepared to buy a much cheaper and quieter .22 rimfire can that you can shoot alot. |
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Agreed... my ..223 cans shot with full power loads are MUCH more pleasant than a .22LR high velocity round unsuppressed.
The pressure is reduced substantially. Mand is right on the money. PLEASE read this and study it well Atlatl: A wise old owl, sat on the oak. The more he listened, the less he spoke. The less he spoke, the more he heard. Oh why can't Atlatl be like that wise old bird? |
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If a .223 will be your first silencer I'd wait until you actually get it and hear it before you buy a .30 can. I say this cuz I for the life of me dont know why people pay so much $$$ for a unit that is not quiet no matter what brand and model you buy in centerfire rifle cans. A bullet at supersonic speed is not quiet by any means. A .223 at best with a top notch $1,000+ silencer is close to a .22 rimfire rifle with high velocity rounds in sound. Dont expect merchants or the industry to reveal this to you. If you are aware of this please disregard. If not, be prepared to buy a much cheaper and quieter .22 rimfire can that you can shoot alot. You are not correct. The whole idea is to protect the hearing of the shooter and create confusion in the mind of the target as to where the shot came from. A .223 suppressor does an admirable job on both counts. As another poster said, it will never be as quiet as in movies, because the movies are not encumbered by the need to use actual ammunition or even blanks when shooting suppressed. Lynn McWilliams of AWC freely tells folks that a suppressed .223 is similar in sound to a non-suppressed rifle shooting HV .22 short. We do the same for anyone who asks. Actually, most .223 is a little quieter than the HV .22 short. I have performed accurate sound measurements on both a .22 bolt action with HV shorts, the same rifle with HV .22LR, and an M4 with our G5 (as well as a number of other .223 suppressors. The suppressed .223 meters lower than the .22, and the difference is considerable. The .223 suppressor will never eliminate the ballistic crack of the supersonic bullet in flight simply because that sound is generated outside the weapon system. What the suppressor will do, however, is reduce the muzzle blast to or below the bullet flight noise and will make it hearing safe. A great demo for anyone who says the the suppressed .223 isn't quiet is to then remove the suppressor and let them hear a shot without letting them put on their hearing protectors while you remove the suppressor. |
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A great demo for anyone who says the the suppressed .223 isn't quiet is to then remove the suppressor and let them hear a shot without letting them put on their hearing protectors while you remove the suppressor. We do this all the time to demonstrate how effective it really is... Two identical AR's, one with a suppressor one without. Put one in their left hand and one in their right. No hearing protection. Fire one shot from each. You can FEEL the difference, let alone hear it. And the difference in pain to the ears is completely noticeable and is a huge effect. Not a single friend of mine has ever been disappointed in their .223 suppressor. Semper Fidelis |
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A great demo for anyone who says the the suppressed .223 isn't quiet is to then remove the suppressor and let them hear a shot without letting them put on their hearing protectors while you remove the suppressor. ETA: Make sure you are wearing ears. I was out shooting a few monthes and somebody stopped by and said something to the effect of my supressor not working. I stated to them that movies just give the wrong impression and it works great. I preceeded to show them by removing said supressor and shooting. It took awhile for the ringing to stop.......shouda put the ears on... |
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Make sure you are wearing ears. I was out shooting a few monthes and somebody stopped by and said something to the effect of my supressor not working. I stated to them that movies just give the wrong impression and it works great. I preceeded to show them by removing said supressor and shooting. It took awhile for the ringing to stop.......shouda put the ears on... I have made this exact mistake. Once. |
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People say suppressed 5.56 is loud all the time, but as a sniper I understand that when I fire a suppressed round I'm not letting everyone within 2000 meters know about it. Suppressed centerfire rifles are human noticeable for about 250 meters in America, and that means a hell of a lot less people hear it.
I could get out solidworks to figure out what the difference in land surface area for those two is, but I don't think that's really necessary. It's exponential. The sound is massively different regardless of whether it's impressive to people with no experience other than movies. |
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Ok, I'm now sick of your comments like everyone else is. You have all of this "knowledge" from reading and nothing more. I LOVE my G5 and so does everyone that hears it. I am always worried when I show an old friend that they'll be like "dude you're an idiot and you wasted your money" but they are always happy as they actually realize the difference. .223 suppressed is NOT the same as a .22. The .22 still has quite a bit of pressure that you FEEL in your ears as well as hear. Suppressing a .223 is all about knocking out that pressure spike and likewise, masking your position. Most of the time at the range, people hear the crack but don't even realize it's me right next to them with the suppressor. They just think it's a .22 10 lanes away. You need some REAL WORLD experience to go along with your ST readings. Quoted:
If a .223 will be your first silencer I'd wait until you actually get it and hear it before you buy a .30 can. I say this cuz I for the life of me dont know why people pay so much $$$ for a unit that is not quiet no matter what brand and model you buy in centerfire rifle cans. A bullet at supersonic speed is not quiet by any means. A .223 at best with a top notch $1,000+ silencer is close to a .22 rimfire rifle with high velocity rounds in sound. Dont expect merchants or the industry to reveal this to you. If you are aware of this please disregard. If not, be prepared to buy a much cheaper and quieter .22 rimfire can that you can shoot alot. Yeah I agree with you here. His delivery sucks. If he was trying to relate that the expectations of some on can's is too high by some, including himself, he does have a valid concern. However it appears he has not had much experience with .223 cans as just about any major MFG company makes hearing-safe .223 and .308 cans. |
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