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Posted: 11/27/2009 7:29:05 PM EDT
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I have recently moved to MO and am familiarizing myself with both MO law regarding suppressors, as well as suppressors in general.
I am wanting to suppress a Mk12 Mod 0, most likely with an OpsInc suppressor. In my reading, I see lots of discussion about the differences between dealer to dealer transactions versus other options. The bottom line is that I am going to delve into the various tacked threads here and elsewhere, but I am hoping to jump start my research with specific questions here. I basically want to know the best route to take to get the suppressor to me as quickly as possible, while minimizing the hassles. If that is possible.Specifically doing so in the state of MO. Warren county to be exact. Also, as for the suppressor itself. The "correct" can for a Mk12 Mod 0 apparently is the Ops Inc 12th. I am not really as worried about correct, as I am effectiveness and value. Are there better or equal options for less money. I dont mind paying more for the OI 12th if it is better than the competitors offerings, but dont want to pay more just because it is the correct can. Thanks, I am off to do some reading and look forward to opinions on this matter from those who have already done exactly what I am thinking about doing. |
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Fastest––is there such a thing?––way is to find a local dealer with one in stock. In my opinion and the next cheapest is find a dealer and have them order one straight from Ops Inc––-this is what I did. About $150 to $250 less then getting one on the internet and tranfransering it to local dealer. The worst in my opinion for the Ops Inc can is order one from internet and transfer it to local dealer.
As far as something better then the Ops Inc you are asking for a great debate where everybody will give you opinions based upon what they like/dislike or which company did bad things. You will get people saying YHM can is better because its cheaper....AAC is better because-I have no idea...Gemtech is the best because its made in USA etc etc etc. From everything I have read the Ops is a great suppressor. I have not seen a bad thing yet but does not mean there isnt somebody out there with negative issues about them. I went with the Ops on my SPR build because the Ops Inc really is what makes a MK12 a MK12. My Ops 12th will be my first once the papers are done but I hope to soon buy either a YHM or a Gemtech so I was not saying anything bad about any of the others––just tired of reading the same debate threads with no real answers or info in them. |
| About the only other 223 suppressor comparable to the 12th is the AAC SPR/M4. You will be hard pressed to find anything negative about the 12th Model. It is possibly one of the quietest if not the quietest .223 suppressor on the market. But since you have a MK12, might as well get a 12th. Like others have said, it is what makes a MK12 SPR a SPR. |
Either do a trust and avoid dealing with CLEO signatures and hassles or make a thread in the hometown forum asking if the CLEO in your area is NFA friendly. I had a attorney do my trust. I could have used Willmaker but I wanted something solid with no hassles from the ATF. It also helped that my attorney is also my dealer. 
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Agreed, I have settled on the 12th if I go forward with this. Now I am trying to determine the easiest way to make this happen. Walk into your dealer...somebody that can sell suppressors...and ask them to order one straight from Ops Inc. If the dealer won't do it then walk out and find one that will. No local dealers near me carry Ops Inc. Found two that would order them for me. This was the cheapest way I found. Both of the local dealer price was $800 and since I was ordering/buying from them there was no transfer fees. To order from anybody on the internet was $900 plus a transfer fee of $50 to $100 plus shipping cost. Local dealer was $800. Internet to local dealer was $970 to $1050. These prices are not talking/including the $200 tax stamp. The nice thing I found about Ops Inc is they do not require dealers to order minium numbers or stuff like that. |
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Either do a trust and avoid dealing with CLEO signatures and hassles or make a thread in the hometown forum asking if the CLEO in your area is NFA friendly. I had a attorney do my trust. I could have used Willmaker but I wanted something solid with no hassles from the ATF. It also helped that my attorney is also my dealer. I have a thread in my Hometown forum going now. I talked to the only close friend I have that owns suppressors and he said he had no issues getting any of his. It didnt sound right to me, but he said it involved getting a C&R license. He simply called the FBI office in St Louis and had them send him the paperwork. He filled it out and sent it where it was supposed to go, including his local Sheriff. He said it was very simple, but he is one county over. I am going to try this route first. Unless the guys in the Hometown forum tell me that Warren County is resistant to signing off, which I dont expect. If it turns out to be a problem for me, I will explore the trust route, as this sounds like an interesting way to go. |
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Missouri law requires anyone possessing NFA items to have an FFL. The cheapest way to meet this requirement is by obtaining your C&R FFL. $30 for three years. This also means you can not do a trust in Missouri due to the fact that a trust can not hold an FFL. Thanks for the clarification Mr. Wideman. That explains why my buddy had to get his C&R. I suppose those could be handy to have anyway, no? Hopefully I dont have any issues acquiring the signature I need and maybe I can have my Mk12 suppressed before too long. |
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Missouri law requires anyone possessing NFA items to have an FFL. The cheapest way to meet this requirement is by obtaining your C&R FFL. $30 for three years. This also means you can not do a trust in Missouri due to the fact that a trust can not hold an FFL. Thanks for the clarification Mr. Wideman. That explains why my buddy had to get his C&R. I suppose those could be handy to have anyway, no? Hopefully I dont have any issues acquiring the signature I need and maybe I can have my Mk12 suppressed before too long. Not a problem. There are some vendors like Midway USA and Brownells that will give you a discount with the C&R. Let me know if you have anymore questions, I've got several NFA items, and several more in the process. |
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I placed the phone call to ATF. I am now just waiting to get the paperwrk and then fill everything out and get things going.
Kind of mixed feelings. I am excited about getting my first suppressor, but frustrated with all the .gov BS that is required to make it happen. |
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I think he is referring to the way that Form 4's are distributed to the examiners. I guess that whoever gets the "S"'s is not the quickest. That's exactly what he's referring to. This examiner is very polite, thorough, professional, and helpful. But this examiner is known to take longer than anyone. |
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Sandra Snook is the examiner who receives all transfers for the letter S. She has been extremely slow in some cases but has also turned some around in a decent time. However it seems the slow ones grossly outnumber the decent ones!! Well, I am prepared to wait, either way. The wait has technically already started. I am awaiting the packet of info/paperwork from ATF. Do they usually mail it pretty quick after the request? Hoping to have it within a few days, is that reasonable? |
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Sandra Snook is the examiner who receives all transfers for the letter S. She has been extremely slow in some cases but has also turned some around in a decent time. However it seems the slow ones grossly outnumber the decent ones!! Well, I am prepared to wait, either way. The wait has technically already started. I am awaiting the packet of info/paperwork from ATF. Do they usually mail it pretty quick after the request? Hoping to have it within a few days, is that reasonable? I had to get my own forms when I did a form 1, but the dealer has always provided all the necessary forms, including the fingerprint cards with form 4s. In MO, you just get your C&R set up, find a dealer, pick your can, and he'll get all the forms filled out, so you just sign them, get your sheriff to sign off, and then the wait. edit: get fingerprinted as well 
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Sandra Snook is the examiner who receives all transfers for the letter S. She has been extremely slow in some cases but has also turned some around in a decent time. However it seems the slow ones grossly outnumber the decent ones!! Well, I am prepared to wait, either way. The wait has technically already started. I am awaiting the packet of info/paperwork from ATF. Do they usually mail it pretty quick after the request? Hoping to have it within a few days, is that reasonable? I had to get my own forms when I did a form 1, but the dealer has always provided all the necessary forms, including the fingerprint cards with form 4s. In MO, you just get your C&R set up, find a dealer, pick your can, and he'll get all the forms filled out, so you just sign them, get your sheriff to sign off, and then the wait. edit: get fingerprinted as well I called the dealer I am going to use (based on a couple recommendations) and he instructed me to call the ATF in St Louis. I called them and they said they were mailing me a packet with all the stuff I needed to get started. I think the fingerprint stuff iand C&R stuff is in there. ? |
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I know nothing about Trust's, but have heard they are a good route. I am going to try and find someone who has done it before and get their opinion. I've done them before and it comes back a lot faster than with a sign off and background check. All you need to know http://www.86th.org/?id=nfa-trust . Getting ready to do several more in the next week. |
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Missouri law requires anyone possessing NFA items to have an FFL. The cheapest way to meet this requirement is by obtaining your C&R FFL. $30 for three years. This also means you can not do a trust in Missouri due to the fact that a trust can not hold an FFL. That blows. |
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Just received my paperwork from ATF. Havent even looked at it yet. I plan to fill it out after supper and have it in the mail tomorrow..
Hopefully the process wont take terribly long. It is not as if I cant shoot the Mk12 without it, so it wont be too tough to wait it out. I am more anxious to get my SN3 from Jeff and the guys at USO. Supposed to be here around Christmas. Then I will be able to try the thing out. Just wanted to let you guys know as I progress through the process. Bottom line, assuming there is nothing in the paperwork that prevents it, I will have it in the mail tomorrow. |
| Congrats! You've turned a new page in your life where you are constantly scrambling to scrape enough dough together for the next NFA project. Good luck with the addiction! Also, congrats on choosing the Ops Inc 12th model. Without question the best SPR .223 suppressor in America. |
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