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7/11/2007 8:38:10 AM EDT
Ok guys I have an outback II for my 22s and love it. Thinking about the YHM Phantom for a 223 can. Let me hear the good and the bad about this can. Thanks!!!
7/11/2007 9:23:29 AM EDT
[#1]
The only thing bad about it, IMO, is the weight.... and maybe, the materials it's currently made of if you have a weapon with a happy switch. They're making a much stronger version that should handle full auto fire alot better.

The good points are:
It's got a great (if ugly) QD mount
It's quiet
It's cheap
You can take it off and beat someone with it

I know everyone's ears are different, but my 24 year old ears thought it was great on a 10.5" and 16" barrels.

7/11/2007 9:24:38 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
The only thing bad about it, IMO, is the weight.... and maybe, the materials it's currently made of if you have a weapon with a happy switch. They're making a much stronger version that should handle full auto fire alot better.

The good points are:
It's got a great (if ugly) QD mount
It's quiet
It's cheap
You can take it off and beat someone with it

I know everyone's ears are different, but my 24 year old ears thought it was great on a 10.5" and 16" barrels.



This is a VERY accurate assesment - its a heavy sucker.
7/11/2007 9:38:13 AM EDT
[#3]
Heavy and I don't really care much for the mount, but it is an okay mount.  I don't know if you are looking at the SS version, but I don't care for the carbon steel version at all.  Going SS was an improvement for them.

Mark
7/11/2007 9:51:16 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Heavy and I don't really care much for the mount, but it is an okay mount.  I don't know if you are looking at the SS version, but I don't care for the carbon steel version at all.  Going SS was an improvement for them.

Mark


What don't you like about the mount?

Also, what's the problem with chro-mo? Corrosion?
7/11/2007 10:06:21 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Heavy and I don't really care much for the mount, but it is an okay mount.  I don't know if you are looking at the SS version, but I don't care for the carbon steel version at all.  Going SS was an improvement for them.

Mark


What don't you like about the mount?

Also, what's the problem with chro-mo? Corrosion?


It isn't that the mount is bad, it's just "okay".  The can stayed on the mount tight.  I didn't care for the little "nubs" on the mount though.  Just a personal preferance.  The can is at a great price point and when they first came out I thought they were the best bang for the buck for an "entry level" can.  But now I think there are better choices at similar price points.  I like YHM as a company and their dealer support and customer support are awesome.  I just think there are some better products at the same price level.  I hope YHM will do something to trim the weight down.  They've already listened to the masses and addressed the materials issue.  

Yes, corrosion is my primary concern with chro-mo.

Mark
7/11/2007 11:06:22 AM EDT
[#6]
if you are thinking about the yhm phantom just wait till the new ss/inconel model that is lighter stronger and and the same price.
7/11/2007 11:18:34 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
if you are thinking about the yhm phantom just wait till the new ss/inconel model that is lighter stronger and and the same price.



And there you go.  

Good to see YHM being responsive to market demands.

Mark
7/11/2007 12:51:00 PM EDT
[#8]
I think the new SS/Inconel version is supposed to be a little lighter than the Chromoly version, but I haven't handled one so I can't verify that.  If so, it will be an outstanding can.

I prefer the YHM mount over the M4-1000 and older M4-2000's.  The M4-1000 had YHM beat on weight and materials (and therefor, in theory, durability) but the new SS/Inconel Phantom should address the materials issue.  It may close the weight gap too, but it may not.

I have the Chromoly Phantom and have been very happy with it.  It's held up to plenty of abuse including full-auto fire and East Texas spotlighting and hasn't melted, come unscrewed, or rusted out.

It's a good can, especially for the price, and the SS Phantom will probably be even better.

ETA: cool new avatar, Mark!
7/11/2007 3:54:57 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I think the new SS/Inconel version is supposed to be a little lighter than the Chromoly version, but I haven't handled one so I can't verify that.  If so, it will be an outstanding can.

I prefer the YHM mount over the M4-1000 and older M4-2000's.  The M4-1000 had YHM beat on weight and materials (and therefor, in theory, durability) but the new SS/Inconel Phantom should address the materials issue.  It may close the weight gap too, but it may not.

I have the Chromoly Phantom and have been very happy with it.  It's held up to plenty of abuse including full-auto fire and East Texas spotlighting and hasn't melted, come unscrewed, or rusted out.

It's a good can, especially for the price, and the SS Phantom will probably be even better.

ETA: cool new avatar, Mark!


I agree completely...
7/11/2007 4:04:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Thanks on the avatar.  It's from our new business cards which like really cool.  


Have you noticed any variance in the way the YHM can sounds?  What I mean is we were shooting a couple weeks ago and noticed some rounds would sound a little louder than others.  It may very well had been that ammo my buddy was shooting.  Could have had some different rounds mixed in (like some weaker Brit stuff with some other M193).  Difference wasn't bad, but a few of us noticed it.

Mark
7/11/2007 4:13:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Here are a few of the pics I took.







Again, nice can.  I like YHM and their folks are great.  Glad to see them making some improvements.  If the SS can is lighter weight, they'll sell a lot of them.

Mark
7/11/2007 5:34:45 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Thanks on the avatar.  It's from our new business cards which like really cool.  


Have you noticed any variance in the way the YHM can sounds?  What I mean is we were shooting a couple weeks ago and noticed some rounds would sound a little louder than others.  It may very well had been that ammo my buddy was shooting.  Could have had some different rounds mixed in (like some weaker Brit stuff with some other M193).  Difference wasn't bad, but a few of us noticed it.

Mark


I've never noticed any differance within the same ammo lots. Probably just some mixed rounds or maybe a bad lot of the same ammo.
7/11/2007 5:58:03 PM EDT
[#13]
The only time I've noticed different sounding rounds from the same lot with my Phantom was with Wolf... for obvious reasons!
7/11/2007 7:08:33 PM EDT
[#14]
I've never notice the different-sounding-round thing.  I'll have to listen for that next time out.  Could it possibly have been the sounds of different types of bullet impacts?  (I.e. going through a particle board backstop vs. hitting a wooden frame vs. hitting dirt or sand in the berm vs. hitting a rock?  Just a thought, since some of what you hear, at least when shooting at closer ranges, is bullet impact.

Those are very nice pics by the way.  I wish my cans still looked that nice.  Most of the finish is worn off the front edges from bouncing and sliding around in the dirt and sand in the plastic floormats of my truck or the metal floorboard of my friend maximumbob_tx's jeep.  

I keep meaning to ask if SCARMOR resists the little green paint smudges his jeep leaves on the corners of my can.  Might be a factor to consider for my next can.  
7/12/2007 4:47:23 AM EDT
[#15]
SCARmor:



These cans are all from a recent class.  I shot 1300+ rounds in less than 12 hours on the field.  I severely damaged my M4-2000 (one on the right) due to baffle strikes because the barrel and can were so hot the lead of the projectiles was melting causing destabalization.

The can in the middle belonged to another board member from Florida who attended the class.  The can on the right is SCARmored.  My can lost most all it's finish by the end of the class.  You can see what happened to can number two.  SCARmor looked the same after the class.

Mark
7/12/2007 9:11:40 AM EDT
[#16]
Wow, what happened to the one in the middle?  Is the finish just cracking and peeling off, or did the tube rupture?
7/12/2007 11:27:37 AM EDT
[#17]
Just paint peel off.  The can was fine and got used pretty hard in the class.

Mark
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