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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2010 5:16:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BlackSwan:
Originally Posted By ryknoll3:
Originally Posted By texjames:
Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
How about what form do I need to purchase a silencer from a dealer and where do I get it? I'm not making one. I'm not a dealer. I'm not moving it from me in one state to me in another. I just want to buy one. I want to look at the form before I go looking for the silencer. I want to make sure I understand all that is required of me. can someone chime in on how ya go about buying one. Do you buy it online its sent to your local class 3 dealer then you send off the Form 4 and when ya get the stamp ya can go get it? I am still confused on the how ya go about buying it.... This is a great thread but no info on how ya go about buying the suppressor. Thanks! To buy a suppressor.... Find the suppressor you want. You can buy one from an online dealer or distributor like Major Malfunction or you can buy one at a local gunshop with an SOT that sells "Class III" firearms. If you buy online you would pay the original shop for the suppressor. You find a local SOT who is willing to do the transfer for you (usually $50-100). They send their license to the shop where you bought the suppressor. That shop fills out a Form 3 to transfer the suppressor tax-free to your shop. The Form 3 is mailed to the ATF, and after approval (usually around 2-4 weeks) the suppressor is shipped to your dealer. Once it arrives at your dealer (or if you buy something the dealer has in stock or orders for you) you go there and they fill out a Form 4 to transfer the suppressor to you.They will give you two original forms filled out and you take them down to your police department or county sheriff and have the sheriff sign off on the forms that they have no knowledge that you would be in violation of state or local laws in possessing this item. The dealer will also give you two fingerprint cards which you need to have the police fingerprint you. You will fill out a small form certifying that you are legally in the US. You attach a passport-style photo to each form, enclose a check for $200 to the ATF for the transfer fee, and send it off to Atlanta. ....and wait. Once your form comes back approved (it will go to the dealer), you go to the gun shop and pick up your suppressor. If your local chief/sheriff will not sign off on the form, which quite a few won't, you can set up a revokable living trust and have the suppressor transfered to the trust. This also bypasses the fingerprinting and citizenship form. How do you set up the trust? Lawyer up and they fill this out? you can use a lawyer or a will maker program here is a link for writing a trust using quickens will maker click this. i myself used a lawyer to write a trust for me. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2010 11:43:29 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm new to a lot of this. As far as I can tell the only reason to set up a trust is to speed up the process of getting your BATF tax stamps. Is there more to it than that?
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Posted: 11/30/2010 1:23:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lunchbox68: I'm new to a lot of this. As far as I can tell the only reason to set up a trust is to speed up the process of getting your BATF tax stamps. Is there more to it than that? You can add/remove people to the trust. Works great for family members that want access to the NFA item, if you don't have a will done right now, it helps there too. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2010 9:19:56 PM EDT
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Ok so im new to the whole suppressor thing and this may already be covered. Can a suppressor wear out? Im assuming sense a barrel can a suppressor can also... and if they can how fast?
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Posted: 12/21/2010 10:10:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hoxie16:
Ok so im new to the whole suppressor thing and this may already be covered. Can a suppressor wear out? Im assuming sense a barrel can a suppressor can also... and if they can how fast? The blast baffle can errode over time, but its more a function of what the host firearm is and what caliber. We are still talking thousands and thousands of rounds. Something like a 22lr isnt going to wear out if you keep it clean. |
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Posted: 1/9/2011 9:46:21 PM EDT
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Which suppressor manufacturers can I use on HK USP stock threaded barrels for 9mm, 40 and 45ACP?
And which one is the quietest? 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2011 12:32:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Lots of great info in this thread. I'm looking to pickup a suppressor this year or next and had no idea about the steps involved or setting up a trust.
I have no problem doing the steps involved to complete the form1.. but should I still do the trust anyways? Seems like its just an easier way to go. Also Im planning on SBR'ing a lower this year.. Im guessing the same rules apply (form1, trust, etc..)?? |
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Posted: 2/19/2011 4:07:11 AM EDT
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Can I use a .30 caliber suppressor on my 5.56 rifle?
Yes. For the bazillionth time. YES. Please find a more tactful way to add this to the OP. |
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Posted: 3/3/2011 11:30:31 AM EDT
[#9]
Can I use a .308 can on a .223 rifle?
Just kidding. What's the average wait time right now for form 4 suppressors? I just submitted mine last week. Is there any chance of having it in hand before june? |
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Posted: 3/4/2011 9:13:33 PM EDT
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3-5 months is average right now on a form 4.
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Posted: 3/26/2011 5:39:08 PM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By MagazineFed:
Can I use a .308 can on a .223 rifle? Just kidding. What's the average wait time right now for form 4 suppressors? I just submitted mine last week. Is there any chance of having it in hand before june? I sent mine off on 12/29/10 and it got approved on 3/18/11. Got a call from the dealer yesterday to pick it up. On a side note do I need to keep just the copy of the form with the stamp, copy of the trust or both? |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2011 2:50:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Porcine83]
[#12]
EDIT: Found what I was looking for- thanks.
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Posted: 5/25/2011 11:02:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Harley1]
[#13]
Can one legally obtain a supressor if they have multiple residences? One in CA and one in AZ. Of course the suppresor would stay in AZ. Thanks..
Should I just contact BATF? Thanks! |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2011 1:15:45 PM EDT
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A person can own a title 2 firearm at any address they actually live at. Look here. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2001/aprqtr/27cfr178.11.htm
State of residence. The State in which an individual resides. An
individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition: Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip. Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y. Example 3. A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days. Ranb |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2011 5:08:18 PM EDT
[#15]
Suppressors are legal in KS, and are also legal hunting equipment as of 7/2011
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2011 11:29:56 PM EDT
[#16]
Why are some suppressors made able to be disassemble while others are not?
Is one better then the other? I would think that it would be better to be able to disassemble a suppressor for cleaning after using corrosive ammo, is this right? |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 10:00:35 AM EDT
[#17]
Michigan now allows silencers if the starter of this thread wants to update.
Some silencers can be disassembled for cleaning, all .22 rimfire for cleaning. Some mfg's center fire are sealed, they say its because its a much faster jacketed round and the gasses are hotter so it stays clean, I personally think they don't want you to see their design and baffle stack. I think they need to be disassembled and cleaned like any other gun you own. |
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Posted: 1/21/2012 7:58:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thefreshman991]
[#18]
Missouri now allows individual ownership of Surpressors as of August 28th 2011.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 8:31:31 PM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
Missouri now allows individual ownership of Suppressors as of August 28th 2011. Any NFA item now requires no C&R.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2012 12:56:18 PM EDT
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HELP !!!! I'm also new to the site and THE WORLD OF SILENCERS, what is the difference of going to your leo and doing as a llc. PLZ HELP ME OUT.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 12:42:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ARMS: Michigan now allows silencers if the starter of this thread wants to update. Some silencers can be disassembled for cleaning, all .22 rimfire for cleaning. Some mfg's center fire are sealed, they say its because its a much faster jacketed round and the gasses are hotter so it stays clean, I personally think they don't want you to see their design and baffle stack. I think they need to be disassembled and cleaned like any other gun you own. .22 LR is wax lubricated. This causes buildup of wax and dirt. Eventually, it will clog, rendering it useless. You can afford to do this. Centerfire cartridges don't have wax lube. It would take many more rounds to clog a centerfire. Design and baffle stack? X-ray? Fill it full of water and ultrasound imaging? It is cheaper to make an all-welded than machine threads. |
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Posted: 2/5/2012 12:46:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CESTILL345: HELP !!!! I'm also new to the site and THE WORLD OF SILENCERS, what is the difference of going to your leo and doing as a llc. PLZ HELP ME OUT. The difference? Your local chief LEO is probably a politician. And is worried about news articles showing him to approve these items. So they won't. Check your HTF to see if this is the case. 4-5 months for Atlanta to cash a check is long enough, don't wait on your local chief. A trust also eliminates fingerprinting so you are not on the radar. You still will get NICS from the dealer and from BATFE. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:06:41 AM EDT
[#23]
I read all the posts and if I missed this question I apologize.
I will be traveling through a non suppressor state, California, is it legal to transport one though the state just so long as it is not used or taken out of a locked box? Or can I ship it to myself at the other end of the trip? |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 8:46:23 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By bldsmith:
I read all the posts and if I missed this question I apologize. I will be traveling through a non suppressor state, California, is it legal to transport one though the state just so long as it is not used or taken out of a locked box? Or can I ship it to myself at the other end of the trip? i would ship it or avoid CA. No reason to risk it with those commie bastards. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2012 11:14:47 PM EDT
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Yea I would like to avoid Ca. Unfortunately, I would be picking up my son in San Diego. Not picking up the son just having to drive through Ca. I would also be taking my ar10's. I would have to disassemble them but no biggie.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2012 11:55:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bldsmith]
[#26]
Well. I just read part of the 2006 ca gun laws booklet. I cannot possess or transport any suppressor through the state. I cannot possess any magazines that holds more than 10 rounds. Nor can I possess any firearm that has a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 10 rounds. My ar10's are assault weapons because they have a detachable magazine and a pistol grip and flash suppressors so not legal even in broken down pieces. Not only that but I cannot even possess a "sniperscope", read night vision scope, in california. I guess that blows my plans for my next pig hunt unless I ship just about everything. Wow that really sucks.
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Posted: 3/28/2012 9:09:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NZT]
[#27]
Originally Posted By BusySquirrel:
Originally Posted By BigGeorgeC:
Originally Posted By leo6223:
Originally Posted By Impact-Vector:
Can someone touch on using a 30 cal supressor on 22's and 223;s It's address (somewhat) in the FAQ. I'll add some more info to address it further but the short answer is "Yes and No" Yes please, I was just handed this same revelation which honestly never occured to me. I only recently found out about Gemtech's Halo which would open up a whole world for me. Someone had mentioned that why not get a .30 caliber version and use it for all of my .30, 9MM & 5.56 ARs as well as the optional adaptor available for AKs (7.62 & 5.65). It's like a dream come true and one I am serious about pursuing. 
All considerations of suppressor efficiency aside..... Please do not try to shoot a 9mm bullet through a .30 caliber hole. Damage WILL occur, and injury or death may occur. I think a more detailed explanation would help understanding why a 9mm can't be shot through a .30 cal suppressor. 1 MM = .04 caliber give or take, so a 9mm=.36caliber, which larger than the 7.62mm=.304caliber or as we refer to it as .30caliber. Therefore the 9mm is .056 larger than the .30caliber insuring damage to suppressor, rifle and possibly shooter or bystanders. edit=terminology |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 2:11:31 PM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By Lion_Dog:
Originally Posted By BusySquirrel:
Originally Posted By BigGeorgeC:
Originally Posted By leo6223:
Originally Posted By Impact-Vector:
Can someone touch on using a 30 cal supressor on 22's and 223;s It's address (somewhat) in the FAQ. I'll add some more info to address it further but the short answer is "Yes and No" Yes please, I was just handed this same revelation which honestly never occured to me. I only recently found out about Gemtech's Halo which would open up a whole world for me. Someone had mentioned that why not get a .30 caliber version and use it for all of my .30, 9MM & 5.56 ARs as well as the optional adaptor available for AKs (7.62 & 5.65). It's like a dream come true and one I am serious about pursuing.
All considerations of suppressor efficiency aside..... Please do not try to shoot a 9mm bullet through a .30 caliber hole. Damage WILL occur, and injury or death may occur. I think a more detailed explanation would help understanding why a 9mm can't be shot through a .30 cal suppressor. 1 MM = .04 caliber give or take, so a 9mm=.36caliber, which larger than the 7.62mm=.304caliber or as we refer to it as .30caliber. Therefore the 9mm is .056 larger than the .30caliber insuring damage to suppressor, rifle and possibly shooter or bystanders. edit=terminology that would presuppose the baffle openings are the same size as the bullet. They are necesarilly larger than the bullet. How much so depends on the manufacturer. While it is POSSIBLE you could have clearance to fit the .355 9mm bullet, it's doubtful you would. you better ask your manufacturer first. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2012 8:56:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Michigan doe's allow civilian ownership of C3. RECENTLY PASSED.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 9:09:22 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By tcnative: What is C3? Are you talking about suppressors?Michigan doe's allow civilian ownership of C3. RECENTLY PASSED. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:30:49 AM EDT
[#31]
How does a can work with a piston system? Is the gas divereted more/less? Is there more/less blowback from the CH?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:32:54 PM EDT
[#32]
OK, this may be a stupid newbie question, but is there a specific legal definition for what is and/or isn't a silencer?
(I mean for example, does it have to be attached to the end of the barrel or the gun at all?, that sort of thing, or is it anything that makes a loud boom lees loud?) |
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Posted: 2/9/2013 3:39:11 PM EDT
[#33]
can anyone that mmets rquirements get one, or do you have to for a LLC of some sort or a buisness? TIA
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Posted: 7/7/2013 2:01:19 AM EDT
[#34]
Researching and can't find a source cited answer for this. Can a Form 1 fabricator perform repair work on the can they build? Example would be replacing a damaged end cap.
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Posted: 8/16/2013 10:49:20 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bflamante:
Researching and can't find a source cited answer for this. Can a Form 1 fabricator perform repair work on the can they build? Example would be replacing a damaged end cap. No. It sucks and is stupid, but no. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 4:06:22 PM EDT
[#36]
How about a FAQ section on cleaning tips for both types of cans? Sealed and those that can be disassembled...
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Posted: 10/12/2013 2:30:48 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Octagon:
How about a FAQ section on cleaning tips for both types of cans? Sealed and those that can be disassembled... +1 |
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Posted: 1/7/2014 2:41:20 PM EDT
[#38]
I know a 9mm can's use a 30cal can, but can a 30cal (300BLKOUT) use a 9mm can?
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Posted: 1/7/2014 2:50:35 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strider98:
I know a 9mm can's use a 30cal can, but can a 30cal (300BLKOUT) use a 9mm can? You're gonna have a bad time if you try to put a 9mm (.355) through a .30cal can. Some 9mm cans are rated to handle subsonic .300blk. Check with your specific can manufacturer to see if yours is. |
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Posted: 1/7/2014 2:52:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By andrasik:
You're gonna have a bad time if you try to put a 9mm (.355) through a .30cal can. Some 9mm cans are rated to handle subsonic .300blk. Check with your specific can manufacturer to see if yours is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By strider98:
I know a 9mm can's use a 30cal can, but can a 30cal (300BLKOUT) use a 9mm can? You're gonna have a bad time if you try to put a 9mm (.355) through a .30cal can. Some 9mm cans are rated to handle subsonic .300blk. Check with your specific can manufacturer to see if yours is. Stupid computer, I meant to say I know a 9mm host CAN'T use a 30cal can, but was wondering if anyone tried a 9mm can on a 300BO host. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 7:21:09 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strider98:
Stupid computer, I meant to say I know a 9mm host CAN'T use a 30cal can, but was wondering if anyone tried a 9mm can on a 300BO host. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strider98:
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By strider98:
I know a 9mm can's use a 30cal can, but can a 30cal (300BLKOUT) use a 9mm can? You're gonna have a bad time if you try to put a 9mm (.355) through a .30cal can. Some 9mm cans are rated to handle subsonic .300blk. Check with your specific can manufacturer to see if yours is. Stupid computer, I meant to say I know a 9mm host CAN'T use a 30cal can, but was wondering if anyone tried a 9mm can on a 300BO host. As said, a 9mm suppressor can sometimes handle subsonic 300 blackout. Depends on the can, and ONLY is good for subsonic. |
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Posted: 1/19/2014 8:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote History<Snip> that would presuppose the baffle openings are the same size as the bullet. They are necesarilly larger than the bullet. How much so depends on the manufacturer. While it is POSSIBLE you could have clearance to fit the .355 9mm bullet, it's doubtful you would. you better ask your manufacturer first. My unfamiliarity showing here. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2014 2:01:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: loadsmasher]
[#43]
DOJ is proposing rule changes to the NFA trust that would require that "responsible persons" of the trust have the same BI, Fingerprints, and CLEO sign off that are required for individuals. For those that use the trust to circumvent CLEOs that refuse to sign off on the purchase this will effectively prevent them from owning class 3 items. Here is a link to an NFA gun trust lawyer with a link to the actual DOD document. These rule changes could become effective as early as June of this year.
.myguntrust.com/are-nfa-gun-trusts-being-eliminated.html (add the www) Full disclosure, Jim Willi set up my trust. ETA: This wasnt intended as an ad but if anyone feels it is out of line I will delete the link (dont have another link to the document) |
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Posted: 2/2/2014 3:19:45 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j0rdanj:
+1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j0rdanj:
Originally Posted By Dr_Octagon:
How about a FAQ section on cleaning tips for both types of cans? Sealed and those that can be disassembled... +1 +2 |
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USA
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Posted: 5/11/2014 8:38:55 AM EDT
[#45]
+3
In the meantime here are my .02... I use a 50/50 mix of Hydrogen Peroxide and White Vinegar. Drop it in there for at least 3 hours....ONLY WATCH OUT FOR ALUMINUM PARTS. clean those by hand! |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2014 11:45:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Hey guys. So a good suppressor is on my short list. I want to purchase a Surefire Socom556-RC. I've read some archived threads and it seems like people have been able to purchase the can for less than the $1375 price advertised. I don't have a dealer near me so are there any online dealers where it might be cheaper?
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Posted: 5/29/2014 12:27:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleOhAwesome:
Hey guys. So a good suppressor is on my short list. I want to purchase a Surefire Socom556-RC. I've read some archived threads and it seems like people have been able to purchase the can for less than the $1375 price advertised. I don't have a dealer near me so are there any online dealers where it might be cheaper? Yep. Just found it for $1157 w/ free shipping at the first place I looked. Just check the most popular and highly recommended silencer shop online. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2014 10:45:46 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Yep. Just found it for $1157 w/ free shipping at the first place I looked. Just check the most popular and highly recommended silencer shop online. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By DoubleOhAwesome:
Hey guys. So a good suppressor is on my short list. I want to purchase a Surefire Socom556-RC. I've read some archived threads and it seems like people have been able to purchase the can for less than the $1375 price advertised. I don't have a dealer near me so are there any online dealers where it might be cheaper? Yep. Just found it for $1157 w/ free shipping at the first place I looked. Just check the most popular and highly recommended silencer shop online. Ok awesome. Thank you! |
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Posted: 5/29/2014 11:26:08 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleOhAwesome:
Ok awesome. Thank you! And then I found it $10 cheaper here, but they charge $8.95 shipping...so you'd still save > $1!! 
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2014 4:16:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DoubleOhAwesome]
[#50]
I just got off the phone with someone at the silencer shop and they told me the Saker made by Silencer Co. is better than the Sure Fire. He said it's just as accurate, reduces the noise more, is easier to put on, and is $850 with a mount! Is the Saker really better??? Because that's great deal.
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