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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - QD or threaded ? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/23/2007 12:38:47 PM EDT
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I'm new to suppressors, and considering picking one up in 5.56. To me, it seem smost logical to gera threaded suppressor. That way, I can use the muzzle device of my choice and switch to a suppressor when I want to. It seems that the QD variety is more prevalent and more popular. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance. |
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i just went through the process of deciding which type to get. I chose the QD version. i will only be mounting the suppressor on 2 ARS so I didn't mind the extra mount. I wanted a suppressor that I wouldn't have to keep checking to make sure it wasn't coming off. with the QD it's locked on, so i won't worry about baffle strikes from a loosening suppressor. |
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It depends on what you want to use as a host and if you are going to change it back and forth. My suppressor STAYS on my 11.5" upper so I went with a thread on. Don't let people tell you a thread on will loosten all the time and you have to constantly check it. I use simple blue loc-tite on the threads and you need to use a strap wrench to take it off for cleaning. A simple strap wrench with the rifle hand held will take it off, but I can go thousands of rounds and it WILL NOT loosten on it's own. During my last class I took here in GA two guys had their Phantom FH's for their AAC M4-2K's loosten so it CAN happen to any system. MadDog 
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if it will be a dedicated one rifle suppressor ,then thread one should be your best bet. IF you are like me then a QD style works very well. i use my QD Halo on 3 different rifles my Tac-65 is a thread on .22 can that i switch between 4 different guns. if there was a system to make my Tac-65 a QD i would probably buy 1 as the thread on and off gets to be a hassle (sometimes). |
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For all you QD guys: Are you satisfied with the flash hider that is required for your QD- can? This is my major concern. I'm not going to be in a situation where I need to quickly attach or detach the can, however I will (famous last words) want to shoot without it, sometimes, at which point I can add a kx3 or vortex, etc. |
Many of the QD mounts out there now use some variant of the Phantom design, which hides flash better than the A2 and on par with most of the other aftermarket FH's. I'm happy with the flash suppression of my YHM QD mounts without the can attached on 11.5, 14.5, and 16" barrels, though I haven't done any formal testing. AAC just introduced a 3-prong QD mount for the 07 M4-2000 and SPR/M4 that boasts very impressive flash suppression, if that is a major concern for you. |
| There is a 3rd option - buy a suppressor with a QD mount designed to work with NATO flash hiders. They usually clamp into one of the grooves on the standard M16 flash hider. I use a B&T or ASE QD suppressor on a few M16 variants, SIG 551 and 552, HK G36 and HK53, AUG; all with 19mm NATO flash hiders with standard groove measurements. |
with the Gem-Tech Halo unit all the rifles i use it on have A-1 f/hiders. you can use the halo with an A-2 but have to index it which requires peel washers. not an issue however over time peel washers deform, which may (MAY) cause a baffle stirke. Rare but who knows. which is why i use the A-1 hiders. |
I've got to disagree with you there. For a one-rifle can, you're right -- there's not much reason for a QD. But if you plan to swap the can between other rifles, QD is the only way to go for a number of reasons. |
I have the new 3 prong Blackout AAC flash hider mount for my SPR/M4 suppressor. It is the strongest and most effective flash hider ever created. Better than the Phantom and better than the Vortex. Why on earth would I ever want to use another flash hider? The suppressor begins to lock in place after just a 180 degree rotation and is fully locked up after another 90 degrees or so of rotation with the ratcheting sound. I HAVE had suppressors get loose that are thread mounted. I HAVE had to retighten them. The AAC MITER mount combines the best flash hider in the world with the fastest and most secure suppressor mount in the world. I have to wonder why someone would select anything else or how they could possibly find a drawback to the system. Price is the only negative I could possibly imagine. It is the pimpest of the pimp!  
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And they are? |
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Because I have to run a QD to keep my M4gery legal, and permenantly attaching the suppressor is NOT an option. I use my suppressor on two different platforms. When I get the SBR done it will be three. The QD's are nice because I can use one can on multiple platforms on the same range trip without messing with replacing muzzle devices. The QD on my suppressor is a Vortex style design that works VERY well. I have virtually no flash. When I get around to getting a 9mm subgun can, I will probably just get a thread on. It won't need to be swapped as often as my 5.56mm can. |
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Just my opinon, but... It depends on what you are doing with the weapon and suppressor. For a bolt-action rifle I have no problem using a thread-mounted can. I run my auto-loading weapons pretty hard and prefer a mount that is less likely to come loose. The Ops Inc cans thread-on but the mounting collar provides enough tention (at least in my experience) to keep the can from unscrewing. My reasons for liking cans that have some mount on the weapon include the following: Protect the crown The mount protects the weapon's crown. I actually saw one guy damage the crown on his rifle by taking the suppressor out of his range bag and along with it was some other object (don't remember what, but it was metal) and this other object feel and struck the muzzle, denting the crown. Weird thing, but it did happen. Use on different weapons Mounts also allow you to use the can on weapons with different thread pitches (provided the mount exists in the desired thread). For example, my partner runs a .308 can on his M16 and FAL. His .308 bolt-action rifle has a 5/8x24 thread. The FAL is a 9/16x24L and the AR is .5x28. One can, three mounts. Protect the barrel threads The mount protects the muzzle's threads. I've seen guys cross-thread or otherwise damage threads on a muzzle. If you damage the threads on a mount, just buy another mount. Most mounts have either think ACME type threads or, in the case with Ops Inc, have a thread protector. Easy removal after shooting Don't store your weapons with the cans still mounted after firing. You should remove them to prevent rust from building up on the threads (as the can cools condensation forms). A can with a mount is just easier to pop off the weapon. Mount takes some blast abuse Some mounts, such as the Ops Inc, takes some blast abuse and helps to protect the blast baffle in the can. I suspect this is true of most mounting systems to some degree. Those are just a few reasons why I like my rifle cans to use some type of mounting system. It doesn't have to be fast-attach necessarily, but if it is that's even better. Again, just my opinions. I hope this helps some.  Mark |
Bookhound summed them up pretty well. The biggest ones for me are using the can on different rifles with different thread pitches, and not having to keep a wrench handy to remove a flash hider every time I want to swap the can to a different gun. My cans are quite promiscuous. |
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its starting to sound like silencer talk here now...a bunch of opinions being passed off as facts  Especially for a product that is just being released...but its already been deemed by a couple of people as "best in the world" When I hear of things said in the light of "in the world"... reminds me of the infomercial's I have to pass in the morning at 4:30AM before I watch the news..."the best weight loss supplement in the world?!?!" 
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So which mounts are less likely to turn loose and offer a better flash hider? There may be equally secure mounts and flash hiders that perform in the same range but no mount combines both other than the Blackout MITER mount. It is the best of both worlds. Please point me to the part that is opinion passed off as fact. |
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I don't know about the rest of the suppressor buying public but I buy suppressors based on suppression, not gadgets. I am too the point that don't shoot without a suppressor anymore so I could care less how zippity-do-dah the flash hider is, or if there even is a flash hider. And for the night shooting I do, I have yet to find a suppressor that wasn't good enough in the flash suppression category. I am seriously suspect of any suppressor company that measures the quality of the suppressor by how long they can make the feature and benefit sales brochure. |
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Another reason to go with a QD mount is if you like to hunt with your rifle. Most states that allow suppressor possession don't permit hunting with it. In Texas, for example, you are not permitted to hunt "game animals" but you can hunt non-game animals. This means no deer or javalina hunting with the suppressor, but hogs are legal. I like being able to remove and replace the can at will. I have an M4-2000 in 6.8mm with the older inconel spring-based QD retention mechanism. It's taken heavy beatings and never come loose. Despite it being reliable, I'd really perfer a can with a positive locking mechanism like those employed in the KAC, Surefire, and new AAC models. I'm about to send mine in for an upgrade. For me, QD is the only way to go. |
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After mulling this over for a awhile I went with thread on, its nice but I had to rethread a couple of barrels to get mult use from one suppresor. I have the SPR/M4 and its incredible. This changed the way I thought about QD's ( I had only handled Gemtechs and didnt like the wobble) I'm now in the market for a 7.62 suppresor and will be getting a AAC. If its your first one get a QD, you will want to move it around. If you know 100% it will only go on one gun, and never be moved, get a threaded can (bolt gun). |
I would agree with DevL after using it side by side with other suppresors. This thing is the best. It has already proved that to me in the short amount of time I've had it. Since you sound like you haven't seen or shot it, why the fuck are you bashing it? Talk about throwing around opinions based on jack shit. I see no where did he try and present his ideas other than opinion, Fuck 99% of the internet is opinion. |
Extra length: Hmm, my QD mounts seem to be as long or shorter than other flash hiders (Vortex, Phantom, etc.) Maintenance: Wow, I guess I'm doing something wrong since I have performed ZERO maintenance on my QD mounts. Another element that can fail:  Out of then 10 suppressors that I have, only the pistol cans are thread-on. |
no kidding in my above quote, I'd rather buy can a well balanced can in all areas than a can just for its QD maybe some read my post the wrong way 
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so are you saying the AAC miter system is the best flash hider in the world? or it is made up of the best flash hider int he world with the best mounting system in the world? My response posted thinking you meant the first... |
.| I like QD mount suppressors for exactly the reasons that BookHound stated. If I decide to put a suppressor on a bolt gun, I will get a thread mount. However, since I'll be sharing a suppressor between several AR's, I'm going to get a QD mount. I'd rather not have to worry about losing thread protectors, worrying about potential damage to the threads in general, having a flash hider, having something to protect the muzzle crown, a threaded can unscrewing, etc. For bolt guns, I don't see any reason to get a QD, but for an AR platform, etc, I think a QD mount is the way to go, no matter who manufacturers it. |
Well the MITER has a Blackout three prong flash hider. It is better than the Phantom it replaced in the AAC lineup with SBRs and performs like a Vortex as it uses the same technology to eliminate flash. I was already happy witht eh Phantom on my 11.5" barrel but this thing was designed specifically to improve the performance on SBRs. I know of no better flash suppressors than the Phantom and Vortex so I can find no other flash suppressors that are better. The mount is as fast as anything out there and wont come undone. Mine will actually allow you to over tighten the can and it moves like a couple extra mm and the button goes down and will stay that way unless you untighten it, then it will never move from that position and it cannot untighten further. I cant think of a faster or more secure mounting system nor can I point out a more effective flash hider than the Blackout. Perhaps I am just ignorant of what is out there and you can enlighten me. |
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The last M4-2K was not as secure as this mount and that is why I did not buy it. Some people reported the retaining latch not latching and you can remove the thing with hand pressure. I did not feel it was any more secure than an OPs style mount and I bought an Ops style can. Yes it had a thread protector and was slower but you still had to make several revolutions with either suppressor. Now I can put the can on or take it off in just 2-3 seconds, it cant come undone with recoil or hand pressure. There is zero wobble or give once it is locked up. I got the flash hider as a suprise since I was expecting a Phantom hider. I was worried the flash hider would ring annoyingly but once I got the mount on my upper it is not that bad at all. Enhanced flash suppression is just a bonus. I have to wonder how people can think using a barrel wench to remove a flash hider and screwing on a thread mount can is not that much slower. Heck even a non QD mount like a HALO is WAY slower. |
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The question was thread on vs QD, I like the way folks turn it into something else. ETA: Gentlemen, In it's short life, the Supressors Forum has become very popular but increasingly rancorous. It stops now. The behavior of some individuals, with the trolling and personal attacks, has gone all the way up to Goatboy. I don't like gettting reports of this nature. This is a technical forum, discussion is limited to technical info and the rules of behavior are strict. If you want to act like schoolboys, take it private and stop spoiling it for everyone else. Most of you guys are great folks, but a few need to watch their behavior. Those that can't be civil will start seeing there accounts suspended. Thank you. Kelldog40 |
And this contributes to the technical discussion how? I think we loose enough threads here do to stupid comments. |
Useless... |
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A QD is a good option if you want to purchase a .308 can and use it for a few guns i.e. 5.56 and 6.8 and your 7.62. Then you don't have to worry about thread size. The QD can be taken off quickly even if hot with a glove, this comes into play when you go from gun to gun at the range or any other need. Try one of each before you buy.
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - QD or threaded ? (Page 1 of 2)
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