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Posted: 3/2/2007 2:10:58 PM EDT
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Is it possible to get a suppressor primarily for an AR15, but use it occasionally on a similarly threaded 10/22? mechanically/legally If this has been discussed, please just yell at me and I will go find it. |
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Use a thread on silencer and you will be fine. Some QD mounts will gunk up on rimfire and need cleaning. Many people will tell you they do it all the time with no problem. Many people will tell you they would never do it because it causes problems. Who are you going to believe, the people who have done it and do it. Or the experts who say they have never and would never do it. Kind of like getting marriage sex couselling from a Catholic Priest. |
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The typical threads for a 223 and 22 can are the same 1/2X28, so they will screw onto either. Now that being said you can NOT use a .22 suppressor on a gun firing a .223. It will blow up the suppressor. You can physically fire a .22 through a can made for .223, but is not advisable and will negate the warranty on most .223 cans. The reason being is that .22LR ammo is dirty and will eventually clog the suppressor to the point that it will be ineffective for the .223 and dangerous to do so. There are people on here that might disagree but I believe an occasional .22 round through a .223 suppressor won't kill it. What is "occasional"? Not very dam often. While a .223 can will have a lot more volume than a .22 typically, it will not suppress nearly as well as can made for .22. There is more to a suppressor than volume. If you are looking to get your first suppressor, get a good quality one for a .22 first. It will probably be the one you put more rounds through. I have both and I easily put more than 10X the number of rounds through the .22 can as I do my .223 can. Ammo alone right now is a big factor. My $.02 |
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you might also try doing what I did, and that's call the suppressor manufacturer and ask them what they think and guarantee their product to stand up to and still be under warranty. BTw, I shoot .22 through a SWR 9mm Tirdent 9 can and they said it was no problem. I've probably run about 8,000 rounds through it so far. SWR=Great Company and fine products and support. |
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One really "Good" reason to use a .223 can on a .22 is, I haven't seen a .22 can that's rated for full auto. My Trident 9 is auto rated, and that's the main reason I use it for .22. It's quiet, and can stand up to the 30 round mag dumps from my Ciener kit. Video of said can: s105.photobucket.com/albums/m210/cellpro10/?action=view¤t=BDMagBurst.flv |
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The Tac 67 was full auto rated. Tac 67 I think there are still some available around, but I don't think TI is making it anymore. John Norrell also sells a Full Auto 22 can. From his website: "Muzzle Suppressors .22 cal Rimfire (Screw-on can type) We offer a 1.5" x 8" screw-on suppressor that can be disassembled for cleaning and is designed for full auto .22 rimfire shooting. In regard to sound level, on a 16" barrel for example, it is quieter than the common 1" x 5" sealed can suppressors currently being sold by numeorus manufactuers.....$xxx.xx" |
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I was looking at the Norrells myself when I was shopping for a .22 can. I wound up with a First Freedom from a local GB. I just won another one in a raffle from a guy that was moving. Nice cans and pretty dam quiet. I'm hoping to hear them up against a Wolverine soon. They sound good compared to an Outback II and if I remember correctly a pilot also. Draver, might need to meet up with you sometime at Browns camp. |
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I went last Wednesday and the snow was too deep for my Honda Pilot. Maybe next week if the warmer weather continues. I try and go shooting once a week or so. I'm going to the Clackamas indoor range tomorrow around 3 PM to shoot my AR/.22, so if that's convenient, wander on over. (They allow full auto, probably because you have to shoot their ammo!) Glad to know there are some other cans to consider in case SWR goes down. I'd buy another Trident 9 in a heartbeat though. I originally bought it for my 9mm Auto Micro UZI, and it works quite well for that and also the .22 short barrel. |
| The problem with .22LR is the lead vapor...it solders your baffles in place if you own a 5.56 can that can be disassembled for cleaning....you will have to knock the baffles out with a hammer/wood rod lol. and the lead buildup starts closing the holes that the bullets pass through over time..causing a baffle strike. If you use it for .22LR clean it before 24 hours have gone by every time. If they made jacketed .22LR like they do for .22 Mag then there would be no problems whatsoever. |
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Yes, first time buyer. Can the typical .22LR suppressor be disassembled for cleaning? How do they avoid the same problems? I agree, the .22 would probably get shot more. But I was thinking about a thread, re: home security, the other day and it got me to see some rhyme and reason behind the suppressed sbr's that look so sweet, but such a hassle to purchase./ I'm thinking I need one now to, you know, protect the homestead and stuff.  from zombiesand varmints and all that. Not that I have to have a reason or anything, but I have to have a reason. for her. |
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Here's a bit of info somewhat related. I have had a SWR Warlock for about a year. It is a VERY effective .22 can. I recently started a Suppressed .22 AR project. I wanted the can to attach to a short barrel under a free float tube to give it the integral, SD Look. Since a dinky little .22 suppressor like the Warlock would look stupid on this setup, I started to look for a larger .223 can that would be dedicated to .22 use on this setup. I opted for a Tac-16. I figured the extra volume would make this a really quiet combination, and it is. HOWEVER... the Tac-16 is no more quiet than the Warlock. I shot them both on the same platform (Ruger 77/22), and the Warlock was every bit as quiet, if not more so, as the much bigger Tac-16. I had thought that the increased volume of the Tac-16 would have made for better suppression. |
Really? I have shot .22 through my Tac 16 and it is not as near quiet as my Freedom Arms .22 can which is about the same as a Outback II or Pilot for suppression. I guess I'll try it again to see. |
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Noxspecter, I edited my original post... it was not clear. I had assumed (incorrectly, BTW) that the large volume of teh Tac-16 woul dhave made for a quiter can on a .22. I was wrong. The Warlock was about the same, maybe a hair more quiet. There was definatly a diffence in tone that made the Warlock more pleasant sounding. |
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I've got a SWR Warlock .22 can besides my SWR 9mm Trident 9, and they both sound about the same when firing .22's through them. I made this video last summer. The gun in my left hand is a Ruger Mk. II with the Warlock, the other is a Walther P22 with the Trident 9. I realize in videos it's hard to rate the audio, but everyone said they sounded the same. s105.photobucket.com/albums/m210/cellpro10/?action=view¤t=TwoCans.flv |
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I don't have a .22 handgun so I'm leaning toward an integral suppressor for the .22 for a more low-profile profile. I'd rather people say, dang that's quiet Does anyone know how the weight and handling of an integrally suppressed .22 barrel typically compares to that of a bull barrel? or carbine? And, for the AR, I am looking for light & compact, but well made. Any recommendations? Base on the comments above and my own bad habits, I think I would be better off with two. I am under the impression that larger suppressors will be quieter. Is this generally true? |
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Larger silencers are not quieter if thier main goal was to sell the product cheap as they use nothing high tech inside. An integral 22lr gun will be lighter since they look like the target barrel but at least part of the inside is hollow. So if you find a silencer that is large and cheap then don't expect it to be quiet also. |
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I have a XXX warrior, and use it for both my ar and my 10/22. This thing is a tank. I have ZERO worries about shooting .22 in it. TRG regularly dumps mag after mag with his warrior on his m-16 using a .22 conversion kit, been doing it for years, and ain't cleaned it once. Yes I, and TRG are some of the ones who do it without a 2nd thought, and have NO problems. TXL |
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I use my M42000 on my dedicated 22lr upper. In fact Ive shot about three times as many 22lr rounds through it than 556. I can run about 300rds and the can just barely gets warm to the touch. One or two mags of 556 and s its time to let it cool down. I called AAC and they said its fine for F/A 22lr, and will not void the warranty. Of course you should not take my word as testament. (I also got an email, which I acrhived) I will say that its not as quiet as some suppressed 22's Ive shot before, but its quiet enough to not need hearing pro....which is good enough for me. |
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