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2/9/2007 10:21:56 PM EDT
Do people shoot cast lead bullets when using suppressors?  Like for 9mm, .40 or .45ACP?  

Dose it harm them in any way.  Cleaning.....many(most maybe) are not mad to be disassembled so is cleaning a problem if you use a hard cast lead bullet.  No .22LR are jacketed that I know of so maybe it's a non issue with any caliber.
2/10/2007 2:58:36 AM EDT
[#1]
I can only speak from limited experience.
I put 200 jacketed rounds thru my newly purchased 9mm suppressor earlier this week.
It was filthy! I wouldn't think of using lead in it.
2/10/2007 6:14:41 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Do people shoot cast lead bullets when using suppressors?  Like for 9mm, .40 or .45ACP?  

Dose it harm them in any way.  Cleaning.....many(most maybe) are not mad to be disassembled so is cleaning a problem if you use a hard cast lead bullet.  No .22LR are jacketed that I know of so maybe it's a non issue with any caliber.


It will shorten the life of the suppressor.

As the bullet is shoved by hot gases through a tube slightly smaller than the bullet, there is a LOT of friction, which generates heat. Bullet lead melts round 600 deg F or so, and some of the lead will vaporize. When the gases hit the relative coolness of the suppressor, this vaporized lead will condense and plate out on the cooler baffles. Other than by harsh electrochemical means, the plated lead is pretty permanent.

Cast lead is not particularly easy on barrels either, and removing the lead from a barrel is no longer a simple process since liquid mercury has become unavailable.

In .22LR we are forced to tolerate the situation as there are no viable options. The copper washing of the bullets is only marginally effective.

Philip H. Dater/GEMTECH
2/10/2007 9:16:45 AM EDT
[#3]
OK....no cast lead for me.  Thanks.
2/10/2007 3:38:42 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Do people shoot cast lead bullets when using suppressors?  Like for 9mm, .40 or .45ACP?  

Dose it harm them in any way.  Cleaning.....many(most maybe) are not mad to be disassembled so is cleaning a problem if you use a hard cast lead bullet.  No .22LR are jacketed that I know of so maybe it's a non issue with any caliber.


It will shorten the life of the suppressor.

As the bullet is shoved by hot gases through a tube slightly smaller than the bullet, there is a LOT of friction, which generates heat. Bullet lead melts round 600 deg F or so, and some of the lead will vaporize. When the gases hit the relative coolness of the suppressor, this vaporized lead will condense and plate out on the cooler baffles. Other than by harsh electrochemical means, the plated lead is pretty permanent.

Cast lead is not particularly easy on barrels either, and removing the lead from a barrel is no longer a simple process since liquid mercury has become unavailable.

In .22LR we are forced to tolerate the situation as there are no viable options. The copper washing of the bullets is only marginally effective.

Philip H. Dater/GEMTECH


In regards to 22LR there is an option...
2/10/2007 9:11:58 PM EDT
[#5]
Well, please do tell.  Who makes jacketed .22LR?

Or silencer option...perhaps????
2/10/2007 9:42:00 PM EDT
[#6]
22 Silencers that you can clean by manual disassembly can be cleaned...No one makes fully jacketed 22LR ammo so you need a suppressor you can clean yourself or you are stuck buying cans that are sealed up (ostensibly because the manufacturer feels that you aren't smart enough to take it apart, clean it and reassemble it without screwing it up).  If you plan to shoot more than 10 thousand rounds in your lifetime, you need a can you can clean yourself.

2/11/2007 9:00:59 AM EDT
[#7]
Ok  So what are the options for a can that can be disassembled by the user?  I know of the Freedom 22 byFirst Freedom Firearms  Are there any others?

2/11/2007 10:26:42 AM EDT
[#8]
Tactical Innovations makes several .22LR suppressors which can be disassembled by the user.
2/11/2007 11:13:19 AM EDT
[#9]
Great.....this definetly has my interest peeked.  I was going to buy a .223 can next but I may have to get a .22LR can instead.  Cheap fun.

My question, if people can buy a suppressor that can be disassembled to clean, why are they made any other way?  Is there some disadvantage to one that is welded up vs. one that comes apart.  Is a "come apart to clean" louder or what?

I guess I'm asking why would anyone buy one that did not come apart?
2/11/2007 2:33:48 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Great.....this definetly has my interest peeked.  I was going to buy a .223 can next but I may have to get a .22LR can instead.  Cheap fun.

My question, if people can buy a suppressor that can be disassembled to clean, why are they made any other way?  Is there some disadvantage to one that is welded up vs. one that comes apart.  Is a "come apart to clean" louder or what?

I guess I'm asking why would anyone buy one that did not come apart?


To answer your question (the first one)

because the manufacturer feels that you aren't smart enough to take it apart, clean it and reassemble it without screwing it up). If you plan to shoot more than 10 thousand rounds in your lifetime, you need a can you can clean yourself.


Some people are not able to clean silencers, and some are.  Its usually a company policy to seal them up so people don't screw around an mess stuff up (put baffles in backwards, etc.)

I soon will have available DVD's that you can get that shows how to PROPERLY clean every 22lr can on the market (those that can BE taken apart and cleaned).

Shooting full auto makes the matter of cleaning at least 5 times worse than just shooting semi auto.  IF you don't shoot a lot of 22 ammo a sealed up can is a fine choice and they are somewhat quieter.  How much quieter?  Before this year is over all of this information will be available.  Check out www.silencerresearch.com for info every now and then.  
2/11/2007 4:15:31 PM EDT
[#11]
I book marked your site for refrence.  The pictures there have convinced me to buy nothing but a can that can be taken  apart for cleaning if it is for 22LR.

Is 1/2 X 28 pretty much a standard thread size?  Most of the cans seem to use that size thread.
2/11/2007 4:42:59 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I book marked your site for refrence.  The pictures there have convinced me to buy nothing but a can that can be taken  apart for cleaning if it is for 22LR.

Is 1/2 X 28 pretty much a standard thread size?  Most of the cans seem to use that size thread.


Yes, that is the common one used.

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