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Posted: 1/5/2017 5:29:27 PM EDT
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Last year at SHOT Show quite a few people shot the new Polish Radom MSBS and were very impressed. The Polish MSBS basically looks like what the Magpul Masada/ACR should have been.
This MSBS seems to be in the SCAR, CZ Bren class. Anyway, it was supposed to come to the US in 2016. It didn't. I also can't find any new info on it anywhere. Even the articles the Firearm Blog wrote for SHOT last year about the MSBS have been pulled down. Does this mean plans to bring the rifle here have been scrapped? That would be a shame. I want one! I see the Polish manufacturer FB, had a subsidiary formed in Texas. There was buzz about it in 2014 and 2015. But they seem to have gone quiet. |
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They submitted 7 or 8 weapons for import last year, and were denied on all but one .22 rifle. Some of it was really stupid shit, like a VFG was left on a "large format pistol" when it went to the ATF. They don't care about rails on pistols, but if you submit something that falls into NFA AOW classification but you call it a "pistol", they'll deny it. Radom Poland deprioritized the US operation after.
Supposedly Ted Marshall was involved with Radom USA, so I'm surprised they had import issues if that was the case. They've got some runs of Beryl 7.62 rifles they're doing, and I'm not sure if the MSBS Radon has moved into full production. I know they were working on 7.62x39 and .308 variants as well. I hope things change in 2017 as I am very interested in both the MSBS and a correctly-built Beryl 5.56. |
| Thanks for the detailed answer. Seems like they really dropped the ball when they submitted to the ATF. Not sure what they were thinking. There is a pretty clear track record available to know how to do it properly. CZ provides textbook examples of how to import firearms. |
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The people behind "Radom USA" have been trying to import Polish AKs since the days of hi-cap thumbhole sporters. Over 20 years. And have never gotten farther then import samples (or getting 5.45 surplus banned). Do you have any links or sources saying it was FB that got surplus 5.45 banned? |
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Do you have any links or sources saying it was FB that got surplus 5.45 banned? The ATFs own press release listed "Radom USA". They deny it of course, even though one of the principles sold "factory SBRs" in 5.45. As for price, that is one of the reasons we don't see many "new production" stuff from Poland, is that the Poles ask an arm and a leg for it. |
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The ATFs own press release listed "Radom USA". They deny it of course, even though one of the principles sold "factory SBRs" in 5.45. As for price, that is one of the reasons we don't see many "new production" stuff from Poland, is that the Poles ask an arm and a leg for it. Do you have a link to the press release? I tried googling it, but had no luck finding anything. I do agree that prices on new production from Poland aren't cheap, but it seems that high prices on anything imported are pretty high today. With the exception of CZ, everything coming out of Europe is going to be expensive. HK, B&T, FN, SIG (Swiss, not SIG USA), &c. |
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Am I the only one thinking F*** Radom? Forget about the MSBS?
I was really excited, but they seem to fail and delay at every turn on getting it to us. I don't think they're really trying. I'm waiting for the CZ Bren 80-6-. So the acceptable version of the 805. Companies seem bad about getting guns here timely, in the way that they're already using the next generation a bit before they start exporting the old one. Kind of lame. I don't think it's the ATF's fault this time. |
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Am I the only one thinking F*** Radom? Forget about the MSBS? I was really excited, but they seem to fail and delay at every turn on getting it to us. I don't think they're really trying. I'm waiting for the CZ Bren 80-6-. So the acceptable version of the 805. Companies seem bad about getting guns here timely, in the way that they're already using the next generation a bit before they start exporting the old one. Kind of lame. I don't think it's the ATF's fault this time. Based on what I am seeing in this thread it appears to be a failure on the part of Radom and Radom USA. It seems like straight up mistakes have been made. Since I can no longer find any trace of Radom USA that was officially announced 2 years ago, I'm guessing it just didn't work out. |
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With the exception of the Archer rifles imported by InterOrdnance (an experienced importer), and a few small runs of 9mm pistols, FB Radom has ignored the US civi market.. Despite having lots of neat things to sell, much of it 100% importable without modifications.
So an MSBS? I wouldn't hold my breath. |
| Pretty sure FB is busy with Polish military trials and securing contracts for that. The last articles I read said that they were starting the trials in spring and summer of '16, hopefully they can get something done with the atf once they're set with the military side of it. |
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They need to crank out another few hundred thousand of these again. http://fabrykabroni.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/vis-02.jpg Mine is not quite as nice, but I like it! It would be a very expensive gun to reproduce, it would cost thousands. Mine has more inspectors marks than any gun I have ever seen, the Poles were fastidious. Attached File |
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Am I the only one thinking F*** Radom? Forget about the MSBS? I was really excited, but they seem to fail and delay at every turn on getting it to us. I don't think they're really trying. I'm waiting for the CZ Bren 80-6-. So the acceptable version of the 805. Companies seem bad about getting guns here timely, in the way that they're already using the next generation a bit before they start exporting the old one. Kind of lame. I don't think it's the ATF's fault this time. Interesting. Everything at SHOT indicated the 806's that will be in the US will be for mil/LE only. |
| OP Here. Just recovered from the flu I got at SHOT. That said I went by the Radom booth and spoke to one of the reps. They were all just in from Poland. He said the problem is the ATF. They keep trying to get their guns approved, but the ATF keeps rejecting them for one thing or another. They have only had 2 guns approved, both 22lr. They have to redo the trigger on the MSBS for the ATF to approve it. They are "working" on it. |
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I have wanted the MSBS more than any other rifle, but honestly have given up hoping it will ever actually arrive here. If it does, great, I will buy one, but otherwise I have no expectations it will ever materialize. Some have suggested they start bringing in 1911's. Ya, thank God, as we can't get 1911's by the bushel... 
I wanted the MSBS in the same way. Would have paid ACR pricing probably. As only Bushmaster ACRs exist. Not buying a BM for $1500+. I hope Radom can move faster than the turtles they seem to be emulating. Eta: but ya, I've also written it off. Bren 806, my body is ready!!! |
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Something ironic, my LMT MRPs are probably twice the gun the Radom is. Maybe not, but LMT has a ton of stuff and support for the MRP. It's not like FN with $800+ to swap to a short barrel. If you can find them.
So in a way, I've had the gun I seek the whole time. I actually have swapped barrels around, etc. But I played COD and the ACR is just cool. Or would have been. |
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Well, doing some research and finding, about the Bren 805, it weighs a ton. Even the pistol weighs over 7lb nakey. This is the version of the Bren that the Czechs said CHANGE THESE THINGS to. The Bren 806 cuts 'about .5kg' so ~1.1lb.
Originally the 805 was supposed to have a polymer upper I believe. Or is it the lower? Not sure, not looking it up since it weighs a ton regardless. At the last minute it was changed to aluminum but the dimensions stay about the same for no reason. So I'm hoping that's where they can drop some weight, instead of just thinning up the barrel like most seem to do. I was toying with the idea of the 805 pistol, but saw the weight and now know for sure I'm waiting for the 806. They already exist, should be easy to for CZ to bring in. |
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Well, doing some research and finding, about the Bren 805, it weighs a ton. Even the pistol weighs over 7lb nakey. This is the version of the Bren that the Czechs said CHANGE THESE THINGS to. The Bren 806 cuts 'about .5kg' so ~1.1lb. Originally the 805 was supposed to have a polymer upper I believe. Or is it the lower? Not sure, not looking it up since it weighs a ton regardless. At the last minute it was changed to aluminum but the dimensions stay about the same for no reason. So I'm hoping that's where they can drop some weight, instead of just thinning up the barrel like most seem to do. I was toying with the idea of the 805 pistol, but saw the weight and now know for sure I'm waiting for the 806. They already exist, should be easy to for CZ to bring in. Not sure where you get the Bren 805 pistol weight at over 7 lbs. It only weighs 6.7 lbs. I just handled one at SHOT and it balanced quite nicely. So the weight really isn't an issue. Here is the link to the Spec page for the 805 Pistol: CZ BREN 805 11" PISTOL SPECIFICATIONS - WEIGHT = 6.7 LBS |
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