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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Secure your AR! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/11/2016 4:36:38 PM EDT
| I keep a rifle by the bedside. I would wager that most of us do. My wife has been increasingly worried about our daughter getting onto the guns, and this was exacerbated by her first ND. She wants me to keep all the guns in the safe, but I'm not having it. I was thinking of building a double rifle rack with the locks that police use in their cars to keep by the bed. I wouldn't be able to hook up the 12v push button stuff, but being able to unlock it before we go to bed and lock it in the morning when I leave for work would give her some piece of mind. Has anyone built something similar? I know companies like Santa Cruz have pre made locking racks, but you can get the locks on Ebay for about 40 bucks and I'm pretty crafty. |
| I keep all my guns in the safe and locked except for one AR which I keep in my closet nearly within reach of my bed. Unloaded, chamber open, and a loaded mag on the shelf above it. I do that as a guy without kids. If I did have kids, I'd probably just put it higher up and out of reach. |
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I am glad my children are grown and don't live in the home anylonger, it is always gut wrenching to figure out the best path when talking about home defense with children in the home.
I keep a pistol by my side of the bed as does my wife. Good luck in finding a solution that works for your situation. |
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My daughters (both in teens) have been shooting since they were 4.
I have a few firearms in the house loaded and on safe, the rest are locked in the safe. All members of the family know where they are and how to use em and are disciplined enough not to touch them unless it's range day. Now, when they were lil, the guns were all unloaded (except my CCW) and put up higher and they did not even know where they were tucked away at. |
| The CCW goes in the safe at night. I am more confident in my rifle. I currently move it from the safe to bed side, but I like to build things. My daughter is 8 and hates guns. She won't touch them, so I'm not worried. I keep the rifle on safe, bolt home on an empty chamber, loaded mag inserted with a gen 1 redi mag. The issues comes from the wife almost shooting her self in the foot trying to lower the hammer on her dad's 1911. Guns are now dangerous and must me kept under locks, and I get to play with my tools. I'm thinking one of these used pro-gard locks for the handguard and a butt pad to support the weight with a U shaped support that blocks the charging handle for muzzle up. With a little more cash, I could use the Santa Cruz sc5 around the buffer tube REEEEAL close to the reciever and a Santa Cruz muzzle cap base for muzzle down. With a little work I can make mounts that clear the sights. It would fit between the bed and night stand. Total cost for the more expensive option is around $145 for hardware. If you are good with electrical nonsense, these locks can be wired to a hidden release button or keypad. If anyone keeps a shotgun by their bed, the shotgun mounts are dirt cheap on ebay. |
| I believe that if you leave a firearm where a child can have access to it, a child that is too young, not trained, or not mature enough, that you should not have a firearm. While the statistics are quite low and the danger inflated by the media, it only takes once. Put the firearm in a location your child cannot get to and begin teaching your childrean at very young age |
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. As has been stated. You need to look at the ballistics surrounding penetration between handgun and rifle rounds. Especially good HD reounds for both. It's worth looking atwww.theboxotruth.com for some of their original chapters. |
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I believe that if you leave a firearm where a child can have access to it, a child that is too young, not trained, or not mature enough, that you should not have a firearm. While the statistics are quite low and the danger inflated by the media, it only takes once. Put the firearm in a location your child cannot get to and begin teaching your childrean at very young age I'll beat this dead horse. Teaching your child, I am sure, everyone agrees and is one of the most critical steps. Our additional steps (we have three young kids) are: All of our guns are secured in the safe throughout the day, the last thing I do before bedtime is procure one of the handguns and set it on the nightstand. The first thing I do in the morning is secure the handgun in the safe. |
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. Well after a fair amount of reading I'm man enough to say that in general I'm incorrect. With that said the pistol under my bed uses hollow points and my ar primarily uses fmj, but this was more about the point of the issue so I'll talk less and sit back and read more. Thank you |
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I keep all my guns in the safe and locked except for one AR which I keep in my closet nearly within reach of my bed. Unloaded, chamber open, and a loaded mag on the shelf above it. I do that as a guy without kids. If I did have kids, I'd probably just put it higher up and out of reach. This I do as well, and I have kids. Two girls, aged 9 and 2. I am 100% confident that the 9 year old will not mess with the AR. She has zero interest in it, and I have taught her all about the 4 rules of firearms. Not only that, but she physically cannot handle the AR. The 2 year old has no interest or knowledge of it, cannot physically even pick up the rifle, and cannot reach the magazine at this time. The rifle is basically in a state where it is not my main home defense weapon, but more of a backup in case, I dunno, crowds/mobs storm the house. The main weapon is a .38 revolver, kept in a safe on the nightstand, with a numeric keypad. I can enter the numbers in the dark half asleep. The pistol is not my ideal weapon...still working on that as funds allow. |
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Well after a fair amount of reading I'm man enough to say that in general I'm incorrect. With that said the pistol under my bed uses hollow points and my ar primarily uses fmj, but this was more about the point of the issue so I'll talk less and sit back and read more. Thank you Quoted:
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. Well after a fair amount of reading I'm man enough to say that in general I'm incorrect. With that said the pistol under my bed uses hollow points and my ar primarily uses fmj, but this was more about the point of the issue so I'll talk less and sit back and read more. Thank you Wow! I am not sure that belong on arfcom because you are way to polite and circumspect! I had this big paragraph typed out, but then deleted it and figured that it would be better for a person to research for themselves than to take a whole diatribe from some random person on the internet about all the research that I had done. I also learned this because I just "knew" that a pistol would never penetrate anywhere nearly as much as a rifle round. Learned that lesson from a wise instructor. Thankfully he was kind about it. |
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Wow! I am not sure that belong on arfcom because you are way to polite and circumspect! I had this big paragraph typed out, but then deleted it and figured that it would be better for a person to research for themselves than to take a whole diatribe from some random person on the internet about all the research that I had done. I also learned this because I just "knew" that a pistol would never penetrate anywhere nearly as much as a rifle round. Learned that lesson from a wise instructor. Thankfully he was kind about it. Quoted:
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. Well after a fair amount of reading I'm man enough to say that in general I'm incorrect. With that said the pistol under my bed uses hollow points and my ar primarily uses fmj, but this was more about the point of the issue so I'll talk less and sit back and read more. Thank you Wow! I am not sure that belong on arfcom because you are way to polite and circumspect! I had this big paragraph typed out, but then deleted it and figured that it would be better for a person to research for themselves than to take a whole diatribe from some random person on the internet about all the research that I had done. I also learned this because I just "knew" that a pistol would never penetrate anywhere nearly as much as a rifle round. Learned that lesson from a wise instructor. Thankfully he was kind about it. Man I'm all about the learning, if I have to take an ego shot to gain some knowledge I'm game. Thanks for the direction. |
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. I'd be more worried about going deaf after firing one round out of an ar in doors. Unless of course it's suppressed |
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. I'd be more worried about going deaf after firing one round out of an ar in doors. Unless of course it's suppressed It won't make you go deaf. |
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I bought a Santa Cruz lock and timer. Lagged into the closet wall. 12v battery pack in a fake double gang outlet and a hidden momentary switch. Hidden key for backup.
Shotgun tube is full and lock engages between receiver and foregrip. I pushed the button and barely started racking the slide so that we don't have to remember it under pressure. |
| My wife and I both have our CCW within reach of the bed, and positioned high enough to where no children could reach them. They both have a magazine loaded, empty chamber, and in a holster. All other weapons are locked in various safes around the house. I'm not too concerned at this point. |
| I love the furniture with the hidden guns, but the wife won't let me spend that much. I'm not in a hurry because I have a small safe for the hunting guns. It's full, but the AR fits up against the shotguns. I have one of the old used locks on the way. Since this is new ground, I'll update the original post with details on how they work and how to set them up. Until then, i'm taking your advice to heart. I put the ccw in the little safe by the bed. I have been using this for my EDC gear and leaving it open, but there's no sense in asking for advice if i'm not going to listen. |
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. This generalization totally falls apart when you consider the variation in bullet design available for each option. Bullet penetration and terminal performance based on construction trumps the differences in 9mm and 5.56 at close range. I can make an argument in favor of either if you select the conditions and let me choose the bullet. |
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Problem solved: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ab/fd/b1/abfdb123909611c31ee7a9dbed6fdfa9.jpg 
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That's exactly what I do - with a loaded handgun in the safe (just in case time is REALLY critical - if not I can give my wife the handgun). Quoted:
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Keep the rifle unloaded keep 2 mags in a quick open handgun safe That's exactly what I do - with a loaded handgun in the safe (just in case time is REALLY critical - if not I can give my wife the handgun). Same here. Also, I think if you have kids in the home a free hand to open doors, round up the kids, etc. is a plus. 
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The shot lock was my original answer to the problem, but I'm unwilling to give up the redi-mag. I have the SHotgun Version of this, and i like it. (5 in the tube,+5 shell carrier on buttstock) for the AR version - You could probably fit a shorty 10rnd mag in there, and put an extra mag on the outside of the safe, with velcro of some sort. |
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Same here. Also, I think if you have kids in the home a free hand to open doors, round up the kids, etc. is a plus. http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s150x150/e15/10955236_1038706672809816_1871657352_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=OTM2OTY1MjYzMjM1ODM0ODg4.2 Quoted:
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Keep the rifle unloaded keep 2 mags in a quick open handgun safe That's exactly what I do - with a loaded handgun in the safe (just in case time is REALLY critical - if not I can give my wife the handgun). Same here. Also, I think if you have kids in the home a free hand to open doors, round up the kids, etc. is a plus. http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s150x150/e15/10955236_1038706672809816_1871657352_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=OTM2OTY1MjYzMjM1ODM0ODg4.2 Call me crazy, but the wife and I actually practice home invasion stuff sometimes. She doesn't like the rifle, so our plan is to move as a team to the kid's room and defend. She uses her P320. If i'm solo, I grab the Sig. The redi-mag really is the shit if you do your part. I can't imagine grabbing a rifle in the night without it. |
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http://www.roughcountryrusticfurniture.com/uploads/2/0/9/8/20985122/s427335107405550229_p456_i3_w693.jpeg Magnetically released - So kids can't go into as easily. These can easily cost between $500 and $1000. The boss is not allowing me to drop that kind of cheese, nor is she letting me modify the existing wall. I have thought of building my own with a large mirror, but i'm better with metal and I like the idea of a key pad lock. No practical reason. I like to play with things. Speaking of, it would be real easy to mount these old locks on a bed frame. A shotgun under the bed with a momentary switch on a 10 second delay would be easy if you are electrically proficient. Again, more fun man project stuff than practical. |
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This generalization totally falls apart when you consider the variation in bullet design available for each option. Bullet penetration and terminal performance based on construction trumps the differences in 9mm and 5.56 at close range. I can make an argument in favor of either if you select the conditions and let me choose the bullet. Quoted:
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I have a pistol in a handgun safe under the bed. I live in a neighborhood and using an ar for home defense is idiotic. You should look at the penetration characteristics between a 9mm handgun round and an AR15 rifle round. Report back what you find. This generalization totally falls apart when you consider the variation in bullet design available for each option. Bullet penetration and terminal performance based on construction trumps the differences in 9mm and 5.56 at close range. I can make an argument in favor of either if you select the conditions and let me choose the bullet. Yes, of course. Most folks would never chose a FMJ or AP round for home defense, so when these types of studies are done, they mainly stick with rounds that are used for defense and not warfare. I could probably make a 25 automatic look like an awesome penetrator next to an AR round if I use frangible ammo in the AR. I have done the tests myself by building drywall, insulation and siding squares. i did this to disprove someone who told me that an AR self defense round would not be that much worse than a 9mm. The argument that he was making against me was that an AR would have substantial advantages (capacity, accuracy and ballistics) while still being very similar in penetration characteristics. |
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Problem solved: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ab/fd/b1/abfdb123909611c31ee7a9dbed6fdfa9.jpg Frankly.... that one doesn't look hard to make. And some sort of lock would be easy to add. I am a firm believer in "Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind", especially with kids.... while your child might not like guns... she could go to school and tell everyone else about your guns. My friend had a situation similar to yours, wife doesn't "like" guns, husband does.... while cleaning his rifle, his son ( also 8 ) walked in on him.... Next day his son told the kid that was picking on him, "If you don't stop, My dad will come to school and shoot you"...... you can imagine what ensued after that comment... Children are great .... but at that age they are to young to make well thought out decisions. I really think ....up, hidden, and locked is a prudent decision. |
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These can easily cost between $500 and $1000. The boss is not allowing me to drop that kind of cheese, nor is she letting me modify the existing wall. I have thought of building my own with a large mirror, but i'm better with metal and I like the idea of a key pad lock. No practical reason. I like to play with things. Speaking of, it would be real easy to mount these old locks on a bed frame. A shotgun under the bed with a momentary switch on a 10 second delay would be easy if you are electrically proficient. Again, more fun man project stuff than practical. Quoted:
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http://www.roughcountryrusticfurniture.com/uploads/2/0/9/8/20985122/s427335107405550229_p456_i3_w693.jpeg Magnetically released - So kids can't go into as easily. These can easily cost between $500 and $1000. The boss is not allowing me to drop that kind of cheese, nor is she letting me modify the existing wall. I have thought of building my own with a large mirror, but i'm better with metal and I like the idea of a key pad lock. No practical reason. I like to play with things. Speaking of, it would be real easy to mount these old locks on a bed frame. A shotgun under the bed with a momentary switch on a 10 second delay would be easy if you are electrically proficient. Again, more fun man project stuff than practical. A 10 second delay when needing access to your gun seems like a very long time. I can access my handgun from my quick access safe attached to my be in about 3 seconds in complete darkness. |
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