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Posted: 6/24/2012 9:47:23 AM EDT
| And I must say there are a wide variety of guns around. Every hotel, mall and most nicer restaurants have an armed guard at the door. All handguns varying the from the Browning Hi-Power to Glocks. There have been a few I couldn't identify from where I was. The M4 is obviously the most prevalent long gun with the Commando model sporting a 12" barreled upper the most common in use by the military, police and border patrol. All were well worn. I saw a private security guy today with a Micro Uzi; that was unusual. I'm told the Tavor TAR-21 is replacing the M4, but I haven't seen one yet. It's not unusual to see off duty soldiers in jeans an a T-Shirt walking with family and carrying an M4 taking in the sights. |
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And I must say there are a wide variety of guns around. Every hotel, mall and most nicer restaurants have an armed guard at the door. All handguns varying the from the Browning Hi-Power to Glocks. There have been a few I couldn't identify from where I was. The M4 is obviously the most prevalent long gun with the Commando model sporting a 12" barreled upper the most common in use by the military, police and border patrol. All were well worn. I saw a private security guy today with a Micro Uzi; that was unusual. I'm told the Tavor TAR-21 is replacing the M4, but I haven't seen one yet. It's not unusual to see off duty soldiers in jeans an a T-Shirt walking with family and carrying an M4 taking in the sights. That's awesome. |
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While I think Israel's stance on private firearms ownership is appalling considering their past, it sounds like they have enough military, police, and security people there toting guns around to make it a moot point. Still........  Individual liberty take a back seat to collective defense, in this case. Not that I agree with it, but it could be worse. |
| Private gun owner ship is difficult here. Automatic weapons are impossible. Still looking for a TOVAR. No M1/M2 or even Uzi's. Everything is either an M16A2 type or M4. Putin just arrived in town and we got kicked out of our hotel. Lots of Police/Military everywhere so I'm sure I'll see something neat. |
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I was under the impression that private ownership of firearms was easy in Israel. You mean it's actually dofficult for the average Israeli to own a firearm? I should probably clarify. It is very difficult to be able to carry a gun legally in Israel. I am unsure about purchasing one |
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Israel It is forbidden in Israel to own any kind of firearm, including air pistols and rifles, without a firearms license. Israel Defense Forces officers honorably discharged with the rank of non-commissioned officer, reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander, ex-special forces enlisted men, retired police officers with the rank of sergeant, retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander, licensed public transportation drivers transporting a minimum of five people, and full-time dealers of jewellery or large sums of cash or valuables, Civil Guard volunteers, and residents of militarily strategic buffer zones considered essential to state security are eligible for licenses allowing them to possess one handgun. Reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander are also eligible for licences allowing them to possess one rifle. Licensed hunters may possess one shotgun, and licensed animal-control officers are allowed to possess two rifles. Civil Guard snipers may possess one rifle. To legally own a gun as a souvenir, prize, inheritance, or award of appreciation from the military, an individual must first present proper documentation that they are about to receive it. Permits for gun collectors are extremely rare, and typically only given to ex-high ranking officers. To obtain a gun license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, have no criminal record, be in good health, have no history of mental illness, pass a weapons-training course, and be over a certain age (20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent, 45 for residents of East Jerusalem). Gun licenses must be renewed every three years. Firearms permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale. Permit holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and may purchase a maximum of fifty rounds a year, except for those shot at firing ranges. Residents of Israeli settlements in the West Bank are issued assault rifles and ammunition by the army, and are given civil defense training. However, the rifles and munitions are property of the army, and may be confiscated at any time. Members of officially recognized shooting clubs (practical shooting, Olympic shooting) are eligible for personal licenses allowing them to possess additional firearms (small bore rifles, handguns, air rifles and air pistols) after demonstrating a need and fulfilling minimum membership time and activity requirements. Unlicensed individuals are allowed supervised use of pistols at firing ranges. Following a number of cases of firearm-related suicides at firing ranges, private individuals who do not own firearms are required to present a certificate of good conduct and a physician's health declaration in order to shoot at commercial firing ranges. Self-defense firearms may be carried in public, concealed or openly. Israel is notable for being a country with few places where firearms are off limits to licensed individuals (private premises, some government offices and institutions, courts). In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry licenses to their members for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces). Soldiers are allowed to carry their personal weapons and ammunition while on furlough during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing. There are about 200,000 private citizens and 154,000 security guards licensed to carry firearms. Another 34,000 Israelis who were previously licensed own guns illegally due to their failure to renew their gun license.[36][37] The regulation for gun ownership became stricter following the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995. Gun ownership in Israel is considered a privilege and not a right. Glad I don't live in Israel, I prefer a free country! |
| about 30 mins after I arrived at my hotel in Tel Aviv (many years ago), I went downstairs for a beer (which I desperately needed). I found a nice beachside bar with a patio and ordered a drink. About 5 mins later two fairly attractive women carrying M-16s walked in, sat down at the next table, propped their rifles against the end of the table and ordered a pitcher of beer. At that point I decided Israel was a pretty cool place. |
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about 30 mins after I arrived at my hotel in Tel Aviv (many years ago), I went downstairs for a beer (which I desperately needed). I found a nice beachside bar with a patio and ordered a drink. About 5 mins later two fairly attractive women carrying M-16s walked in, sat down at the next table, propped their rifles against the end of the table and ordered a pitcher of beer. At that point I decided Israel was a pretty cool place. Yeah, it's pretty cool. However, I prefer to just visit. After almost 2 weeks I miss the the good ol' US of A and will be glad to be getting back. |
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Israel has some serious bullshit firearms laws. What a mess of crappy restrictions that make no sense. very very true, but at the same time you need to be there to see what its like. Everyone, literally eveyrone has a gun, its the CCW thing that is complete bullshit. One of funniest things for me the first time I went to Tel Aviv was all of the restaurants and hotels have those gold plated signs up in the lobby like we do that all say non smoking everywhere here in the states. over there they are all notices that declare that you must unload and safety your weapon from that point forward. |
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Israel has some serious bullshit firearms laws. What a mess of crappy restrictions that make no sense. very very true, but at the same time you need to be there to see what its like. Everyone, literally eveyrone has a gun, its the CCW thing that is complete bullshit. One of funniest things for me the first time I went to Tel Aviv was all of the restaurants and hotels have those gold plated signs up in the lobby like we do that all say non smoking everywhere here in the states. over there they are all notices that declare that you must unload and safety your weapon from that point forward. That is for the soldiers and police who carry 24/7, not civies. Read through the rules, if you want a gun, become a "settler"! |
| I really had the wrong impression of Israel. I'm better off living here in MA than there. I have any handgun I want, even tthough my mags have to be pre-ban. I have a subgun with ni restrictions on ammo or any other BS. With Israel surrounded by people who would like nothing better than to wipe them off the face of the planet, you would think they would place more trust in their citizens! |
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Israel has some serious bullshit firearms laws. What a mess of crappy restrictions that make no sense. very very true, but at the same time you need to be there to see what its like. Everyone, literally eveyrone has a gun, its the CCW thing that is complete bullshit. One of funniest things for me the first time I went to Tel Aviv was all of the restaurants and hotels have those gold plated signs up in the lobby like we do that all say non smoking everywhere here in the states. over there they are all notices that declare that you must unload and safety your weapon from that point forward. That is for the soldiers and police who carry 24/7, not civies. Read through the rules, if you want a gun, become a "settler"! Not really. You should do a little more reading. Maybe start with how many Israelis are civvies and how many are Veterans. For noncoms thats a shall issue, May issue is still available for others. There were some major changes that were made I agree, specifically those that adress a distinction between the ability to possess or own and the ability to carry, in the past Israel didnt know from that, if you had a gun permit you could carry it when and how you pleased, it wasnt like here. that has changed. |
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Israel has some serious bullshit firearms laws. What a mess of crappy restrictions that make no sense. Israeli politics in general is seriously fucked up. I'm looking forward to visiting, and my cousin and his girlfriend are there now, but it is not a place I would like to live, and that has nothing to do with their peachy neighbors. |
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about 30 mins after I arrived at my hotel in Tel Aviv (many years ago), I went downstairs for a beer (which I desperately needed). I found a nice beachside bar with a patio and ordered a drink. About 5 mins later two fairly attractive women carrying M-16s walked in, sat down at the next table, propped their rifles against the end of the table and ordered a pitcher of beer. At that point I decided Israel was a pretty cool place. Yeah, it's pretty cool. However, I prefer to just visit. After almost 2 weeks I miss the the good ol' US of A and will be glad to be getting back. I wouldn't move there, but if they sent me back for a while I wouldn't mind one bit (well, maybe I would since I'm older and have a family at home and stuff...). |
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And I must say there are a wide variety of guns around. Every hotel, mall and most nicer restaurants have an armed guard at the door. All handguns varying the from the Browning Hi-Power to Glocks. There have been a few I couldn't identify from where I was. The M4 is obviously the most prevalent long gun with the Commando model sporting a 12" barreled upper the most common in use by the military, police and border patrol. All were well worn. I saw a private security guy today with a Micro Uzi; that was unusual. I'm told the Tavor TAR-21 is replacing the M4, but I haven't seen one yet. It's not unusual to see off duty soldiers in jeans an a T-Shirt walking with family and carrying an M4 taking in the sights. Look closer, they aren't M4's they ar CAR-15. Yes, I am splitting hairs. The other pistol you see is the Jericho (Baby Desert Eagle). I saw the Tavor once. It was slung on the back of a female Israeli soldier at the Taba border crossing. If you are in Tel Aviv and you have time, go to Mike's Place. Other things to do in Israel if you have time and when I say time I mean a day or 2. - The Old City in Jerusalem. Even if you're not religious, it's still a good experience. There are several good bars in the pedestrian park at Jaffa, King George and Yahudda Streets. - Masada. - For the religious folks, go to Tiberius. no other reason to visit that place. - Eilat is like the Miami beach of Israel, just smaller, a lot smaller. I never made it to Beershieva, but I heard that was a happening place. I hear Hiefa is a good place to visit as well. One thing I learned about driving around Israel is that you can get to anywhere from anywhere in Israel. |
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Israel has some serious bullshit firearms laws. What a mess of crappy restrictions that make no sense. very very true, but at the same time you need to be there to see what its like. Everyone, literally eveyrone has a gun, its the CCW thing that is complete bullshit. One of funniest things for me the first time I went to Tel Aviv was all of the restaurants and hotels have those gold plated signs up in the lobby like we do that all say non smoking everywhere here in the states. over there they are all notices that declare that you must unload and safety your weapon from that point forward. That is for the soldiers and police who carry 24/7, not civies. Read through the rules, if you want a gun, become a "settler"! And live on a communist kibbutz? Just to get a beat to hell Uzi? No 
Marxism is still Marxism even with a Star of David flying over it. A nice Bauhaus apartment in Tel Aviv or Haifa might be a nice though. 
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I really had the wrong impression of Israel. I'm better off living here in MA than there. I have any handgun I want, even tthough my mags have to be pre-ban. I have a subgun with ni restrictions on ammo or any other BS. With Israel surrounded by people who would like nothing better than to wipe them off the face of the planet, you would think they would place more trust in their citizens! I am from CT and you have slim to no chance that myself or anybody else from my state is going to invade (OK maybe I would like to take over S&W but not much else  )
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I really had the wrong impression of Israel. I'm better off living here in MA than there. I have any handgun I want, even tthough my mags have to be pre-ban. I have a subgun with ni restrictions on ammo or any other BS. With Israel surrounded by people who would like nothing better than to wipe them off the face of the planet, you would think they would place more trust in their citizens! I am from CT and you have slim to no chance that myself or anybody else from my state is going to invade (OK maybe I would like to take over S&W but not much else )
I hope you guys don't invade and try to spread your laws here. I like my three pre ban Colt AR-15's! As for S&W, you can have them since they started installing that damn lock! |
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Thugs . . . . are NOT allowed in Israel . And your good looking sister does not get randomly groped when traveling by air . Just sayin ' . No, they get groped walking around Haifa or Tel Aviv in crowds. Just like any other meditaranian city. Bonus points for getting spit upon in Jerusalem. Just saying. Though at least they have the decency to put up a sign that women are not welcome unless they are covered up, like well.........like those other people. And I'd rather have thugs as my #1 threat than insane Palis
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