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Posted: 2/6/2012 4:25:50 AM EDT
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I read a lot of posts about people recommending different brands of rifles/parts. I am curious as to how much actual experience these posters have with the products/brands they recommend.
I see quite of few posts where people encourage others to buy Colts, BCM's, PSA's, Aimpoints ect, or don't buy brand "x", then post that they "don't actually own one". If you don't have actual experience with the brand being recommended, your opinion is just hear-say. |
AR technical forum? 
Think maybe GD is the place for a thread about 'How people shouldn't spread hear-say and stick to what they have personal experience with'. That said, I'll bite. I understand the frustration, but there are many reasons why some products get very high recommendations and others not so much. Some of these reasons are justified and valid, others are blown out of proportion and unfortunately good companies may suffer disproportionately due to relatively minor errors. Much of the recommendations that go around are based upon specs vs cost or specs vs specs. This can be extremely helpful to a person who is jumping into the world of ARs with nil experience. You can argue that those specs don't mean as much as people like to believe, and you would probably be right in some instances, but specs are what we have and they are easy to look at and compare. Unfortunately, there is an equal amount of 'I heard on a forum that x brand of whatever does _____________(fill in the blank) therefore it is junk and nobody in their right mind should ever buy one'. This is not very helpful and is more often than not a comparatively uninformed opinion. Ultimately, the biggest problems that interfere with objectivity and honesty in this whole thing, is ego, prejudices and an inability to see the other side of the coin. Unfortunately, it will never change. |
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AR technical forum?
Think maybe GD is the place for a thread about 'How people shouldn't spread hear-say and stick to what they have personal experience with'. That said, I'll bite. I understand the frustration, but there are many reasons why some products get very high recommendations and others not so much. Some of these reasons are justified and valid, others are blown out of proportion and unfortunately good companies may suffer disproportionately due to relatively minor errors. Much of the recommendations that go around are based upon specs vs cost or specs vs specs. This can be extremely helpful to a person who is jumping into the world of ARs with nil experience. You can argue that those specs don't mean as much as people like to believe, and you would probably be right in some instances, but specs are what we have and they are easy to look at and compare. Unfortunately, there is an equal amount of 'I heard on a forum that x brand of whatever does _____________(fill in the blank) therefore it is junk and nobody in their right mind should ever buy one'. This is not very helpful and is more often than not a comparatively uninformed opinion. Ultimately, the biggest problems that interfere with objectivity and honesty in this whole thing, is ego, prejudices and an inability to see the other side of the coin. Unfortunately, it will never change. +10 Well said. |
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Its hard to believe anyone on the internet anymore.
The way I see it, I buy from manufs with history. Alot of the parts are all the same, the differences mainly is in the quality control of specific manufacturers. I only have experience with Colt, Armalite, Bushy and DPMS. I have shot a few bottom barrel brands that seem just fine. If the parts are in spec, they will work just as good as any Colt or FN used by the military. Everything else is purely personal choice. I recommend Armalite because of all the parts and rifles I have handled and shot of theirs, they have all been made very well. You get your lemons from every company though. Best advice I can give, dont buy cheap. Buy affordable or inexpensive. DPMS, Delton, PSA, me personally I consider companies like these to be cheap not inexpensive or affordable. Companies like BCM, LMT, Armalite, Spikes, etc are affordable, inexpensive choices. Just remember, you get what you pay for applies more to firearms than anything else. At least in my experience anyways. Different companies use different machines, and make parts to different specs. They are all "within" military specifications, but that doesnt mean much. That is a marketing angle more than anything. Thats why, when you buy parts from numerous sources, you start stacking tolerances and once the rifle is complete, wotn work as well as one that has all the parts from the same source. To conclude, what you said is true, people's advice on this site is mainly hear say. Some people know what they are talking about, but most are just regurgitating whats already been said. |
| I know Rock River is kind of a "love or hate" company but i have a RRA ATH and i love it. It is extremely acurate and the over all feel of the gun is very good. But if your thinking about buying some of the brands that i know are going to recomended like Spikes, BCM, PSA, and soforth, get what YOU like. In the end it is your money. |
| I see what you are saying. But....some people do spend lots of time reading and researching the experts here and/or other forums. It will be pretty hard to find a good sample size of opinions from people who have one of each manufacturer, I am sure there are a few here but not that many. I personally have three DD rifles, certainly my first recommendation, but after spending 100s of hours here and other forums I see people have been happy with PSA, BCM....so when someone asks a question based on budget, application....I can make an educated opinion based on studying others experiences. I do make sure when I recommend something I don't have experience with that I mention my opinion is based on research. |
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There are people here with thousands of posts that do not even own an AR. One guy had almost 6K posts and started a thread with " I just got my first lower...now what?" Dont believe have of what you read and question the other half. I saw something like this today! Guy had close to a 1000 posts and was asking about PSA for his first rifle 
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There are people here with thousands of posts that do not even own an AR. One guy had almost 6K posts and started a thread with " I just got my first lower...now what?" Dont believe have of what you read and question the other half. I saw something like this today! Guy had close to a 1000 posts and was asking about PSA for his first rifle You do realize there are other parts of this forum right... Hometown, outdoors, training, and handgun are all part of this forum that I look at from time to time. OP- I think people try and chime in when they have had a good "X" brand experience. Some here have probably seen good and bad products from everyone. I would be the first to recomend any part of my AR because it has functioned flawlesly. I think it is the best way to tell what may be a good buy out there. |
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There are people here with thousands of posts that do not even own an AR. One guy had almost 6K posts and started a thread with " I just got my first lower...now what?" Dont believe have of what you read and question the other half. I saw something like this today! Guy had close to a 1000 posts and was asking about PSA for his first rifle You do realize there are other parts of this forum right... Hometown, outdoors, training, and handgun are all part of this forum that I look at from time to time. OP- I think people try and chime in when they have had a good "X" brand experience. Some here have probably seen good and bad products from everyone. I would be the first to recomend any part of my AR because it has functioned flawlesly. I think it is the best way to tell what may be a good buy out there. ched...this wasn't directed at you at all, but sorry if it offended you. But this is AR15.com....so you'd think it would be people with AR's and that want to look at info about outdoors or maybe that new pistol they got....at 1000 posts you should have an AR or have had one, why else be on this forum, what valuable experience with this weapon system could you have knowledge about if you have never had one. (Military service/LEO aside) And if guys are asking if PSA is a good company after posting 1000 posts....what have they been writing about/reading about? I'd have to assume that they are spreading bad info all over these boards. If guys are here for the pistols or outdoors there are probably more appropriate forums. |
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There are people here with thousands of posts that do not even own an AR. One guy had almost 6K posts and started a thread with " I just got my first lower...now what?" Dont believe have of what you read and question the other half. I saw something like this today! Guy had close to a 1000 posts and was asking about PSA for his first rifle You do realize there are other parts of this forum right... Hometown, outdoors, training, and handgun are all part of this forum that I look at from time to time. OP- I think people try and chime in when they have had a good "X" brand experience. Some here have probably seen good and bad products from everyone. I would be the first to recomend any part of my AR because it has functioned flawlesly. I think it is the best way to tell what may be a good buy out there. ched...this wasn't directed at you at all, but sorry if it offended you. But this is AR15.com....so you'd think it would be people with AR's and that want to look at info about outdoors or maybe that new pistol they got....at 1000 posts you should have an AR or have had one, why else be on this forum, what valuable experience with this weapon system could you have knowledge about if you have never had one. (Military service/LEO aside) And if guys are asking if PSA is a good company after posting 1000 posts....what have they been writing about/reading about? I'd have to assume that they are spreading bad info all over these boards. If guys are here for the pistols or outdoors there are probably more appropriate forums. I disagree. The areas of ARFCOM devoted to non AR topics are probably larger in size than dedicated forums to those topics. I couldn't care less if someone has 1K+ posts and no ARs. As long as they aren't handing out advice in the AR forums, what difference does it make? |
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I am ALWAYS skeptical about the hype some brands get around the internet. So far I have been disappointed with several purchases after buying into the hype.
I spent $627 on a BCM upper a couple years ago BEFORE hand guards. Later that year I purchased a Spike's upper with hand guards and buffer for $475 and it was just as nice. It even shot better groups than the BCM. I was pleasantly surprised by the reliability and accuracy of my PSA upper and my Aimpoint ML3 was a good purchase. So I win sometimes...but don't get my started on the Battle Comp
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There are people here with thousands of posts that do not even own an AR. One guy had almost 6K posts and started a thread with " I just got my first lower...now what?" Dont believe have of what you read and question the other half. I saw something like this today! Guy had close to a 1000 posts and was asking about PSA for his first rifle You do realize there are other parts of this forum right... Hometown, outdoors, training, and handgun are all part of this forum that I look at from time to time OP- I think people try and chime in when they have had a good "X" brand experience. Some here have probably seen good and bad products from everyone. I would be the first to recomend any part of my AR because it has functioned flawlesly. I think it is the best way to tell what may be a good buy out there. ched...this wasn't directed at you at all, but sorry if it offended you. But this is AR15.com....so you'd think it would be people with AR's and that want to look at info about outdoors or maybe that new pistol they got....at 1000 posts you should have an AR or have had one, why else be on this forum, what valuable experience with this weapon system could you have knowledge about if you have never had one. (Military service/LEO aside) And if guys are asking if PSA is a good company after posting 1000 posts....what have they been writing about/reading about? I'd have to assume that they are spreading bad info all over these boards. If guys are here for the pistols or outdoors there are probably more appropriate forums. No offense taken. I have just recently started visiting those sub forums. I like being able to find everything here...good bunch of people. |
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There are people here with thousands of posts that do not even own an AR. One guy had almost 6K posts and started a thread with " I just got my first lower...now what?" Dont believe have of what you read and question the other half. I saw something like this today! Guy had close to a 1000 posts and was asking about PSA for his first rifle You do realize there are other parts of this forum right... Hometown, outdoors, training, and handgun are all part of this forum that I look at from time to time. OP- I think people try and chime in when they have had a good "X" brand experience. Some here have probably seen good and bad products from everyone. I would be the first to recomend any part of my AR because it has functioned flawlesly. I think it is the best way to tell what may be a good buy out there. ched...this wasn't directed at you at all, but sorry if it offended you. But this is AR15.com....so you'd think it would be people with AR's and that want to look at info about outdoors or maybe that new pistol they got....at 1000 posts you should have an AR or have had one, why else be on this forum, what valuable experience with this weapon system could you have knowledge about if you have never had one. (Military service/LEO aside) And if guys are asking if PSA is a good company after posting 1000 posts....what have they been writing about/reading about? I'd have to assume that they are spreading bad info all over these boards. If guys are here for the pistols or outdoors there are probably more appropriate forums. You do also realize that ak47.net also brings you to the same forum right? |
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I own a Raven P25 in .25ACP. While it feels like pot metal and has a squirt gun safety, it shoots reasonably well at the ranges it was intended to be used (under 7yds) and has been 100% reliable thus far. It was given to me by my father in law and mostly sits in my safe...although I have tossed it in my pocket once or twice when I work around the yard.
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Whenever I give a recommendation (or a warning), I usually try to quantify that opinion by taking a minute to explain the circumstances under which my personal experiences occurred.
I often ask for advice myself, on a variety of topics and in different subforums. While I don't expect everyone who responds to be a guru, I always appreciate any honest response, regardless of level of expertise, as long as it's explained out a bit, and offered in a helpful spirit. |
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Whenever I give a recommendation (or a warning), I usually try to quantify that opinion by taking a minute to explain the circumstances under which my personal experiences occurred. I often ask for advice myself, on a variety of topics and in different subforums. While I don't expect everyone who responds to be a guru, I always appreciate any honest response, regardless of level of expertise, as long as it's explained out a bit, and offered in a helpful spirit. ^this 100% JCS |
Well the good thing is that it's easy to tell who's full of shit and who has at least owned or had experience with a firearm type. Everyone will have different experiences but the ones who try to convince the 99.9% of others who own x-firearm that it's garbage because they had one and blah blah blah....well those turn into entertaining threads. Every FAL I've ever fired has had issues, but I'm not going to try to go convince all FAL owners that their rifles are junk. I've seen it over and over though...
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