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Posted: 8/5/2011 4:16:54 PM EDT
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What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun? 
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. |
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Didn't it win the NRA Best Rifle of the Year award for 2011 ? Does that mean something or was it just a political ad? Its a pretty sweet rifle. I like it better than my ar's even though I continue to buy more ar's. My ACR's have been flawless but they have higher serial numbers than the ones with the recall and other issues. The only complaints about them is price which has come down quite a bit, weight which is all in the barrel and you have options for this, and that the accessories/caliber kits aren't available yet. |
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For those who know, what the selling points of the ACR compared to the rest of the modern AR15 in the market.
Based on what I have read in their website, they emphasized a lot on the extreme modularity of their design; like, changing the caliber, barrel, etc. What else are attractive? |
| Fully ambidextrous. Front non-recipricating charging handle. Melonite coated barrel and internals. Zero tools needed to take it all apart. Piston driven with suppressed and unsuppressed setting. Option of folding, telescoping and cheek raising stock. Steel BCG rides on steel rails. |
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I saw this review ...
http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2303&cid=4 Interesting that the ACR is what they'll be submitting to DoD for the upcoming competition to replace the M4. |
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I also seen it. |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. i dont own one, but i rented one at my local gun range, it was nice, but not $2000 nice. the main draw was the charging handle and ambidextrous controls. as of now there is no caliber change, plus i like the 5.56. not to mention the 1/9 ratio is a deal breaker, cause if i was to use the brown tip barnes 70gr bullets i wouldnt be able to, they require 1/7 to stabalize |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. i dont own one, but i rented one at my local gun range, it was nice, but not $2000 nice. the main draw was the charging handle and ambidextrous controls. as of now there is no caliber change, plus i like the 5.56. not to mention the 1/9 ratio is a deal breaker, cause if i was to use the brown tip barnes 70gr bullets i wouldnt be able to, they require 1/7 to stabalize I have shot 70 grain to 300m with zero issue. I have read posts from other ACR owners doing just fine with 70+ grain bullets. YMMV |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. i dont own one, but i rented one at my local gun range, it was nice, but not $2000 nice. the main draw was the charging handle and ambidextrous controls. as of now there is no caliber change, plus i like the 5.56. not to mention the 1/9 ratio is a deal breaker, cause if i was to use the brown tip barnes 70gr bullets i wouldnt be able to, they require 1/7 to stabalize I have shot 70 grain to 300m with zero issue. I have read posts from other ACR owners doing just fine with 70+ grain bullets. YMMV maybe most 70 gr work but the barnes 70gr TSX does(its longer than most) not stabalize on anything other than 1/7 this is posted in the ammo forum somewhere found it here |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. i dont own one, but i rented one at my local gun range, it was nice, but not $2000 nice. the main draw was the charging handle and ambidextrous controls. as of now there is no caliber change, plus i like the 5.56. not to mention the 1/9 ratio is a deal breaker, cause if i was to use the brown tip barnes 70gr bullets i wouldnt be able to, they require 1/7 to stabalize I have shot 70 grain to 300m with zero issue. I have read posts from other ACR owners doing just fine with 70+ grain bullets. YMMV maybe most 70 gr work but the barnes 70gr TSX does(its longer than most) not stabalize on anything other than 1/7 this is posted in the ammo forum somewhere found it here Roger that. |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Oh, you want to go to federal prison for 10 years? Because that's what happens if you own a firearm that goes full auto due to malfunctions and you do nothing to fix it. The ACR is no better than a properly build AR from a good manufacturer. There are problems with the ACR that have yet to be addressed by Bushmaster/Cerberus. Until those problems are fixed, and Bushmaster does good on their promise of caliber conversions & parts, the ACR will never amount to anything more than a bastardized, half assed video game rifle born from the Masada concept rifle. |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Oh, you want to go to federal prison for 10 years? Because that's what happens if you own a firearm that goes full auto due to malfunctions and you do nothing to fix it. The ACR is no better than a properly build AR from a good manufacturer. There are problems with the ACR that have yet to be addressed by Bushmaster/Cerberus. Until those problems are fixed, and Bushmaster does good on their promise of caliber conversions & parts, the ACR will never amount to anything more than a bastardized, half assed video game rifle born from the Masada concept rifle. Just curious as to what your takes are of the "problems"? |
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. Man.. he got you on that one. 
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Hi guys, What are some of the properties of the Bushmaster ACR that makes it one of the best assault rifle on the planet? I went to their website and I saw this recall notice: During routine test fire, Bushmaster discovered a design flaw which could result in multiple rounds firing continuously when the trigger is pulled.
That sounds like a "good" design flaw to have. Where can I buy such a "faulty" gun?
–– Art Ummm its not the best in the world, its no better than an M4 And full auto is illegal Do you own an ACR? I do and the ACR has a few innovations that are better than the M4 imo. Man.. he got you on that one. |
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There are problems with the ACR that have yet to be addressed by Bushmaster/Cerberus. Until those problems are fixed, and Bushmaster does good on their promise of caliber conversions & parts, the ACR will never amount to anything more than a bastardized, half assed video game rifle born from the Masada concept rifle. Just curious as to what your takes are of the "problems"? I believe the selector still has two major flaws to it, but I may be mistaken and its really just one big problem. The first is the folding stock knocking the selector from the safe position. The second is the ability for the weapon to fire when the selector is in between safe and fire. Those two issues are big safety problems in IMO. I also haven't heard about a resolution to the full auto recall. Have all ACRs been returned for service? The other problems are not really mechanical problems, but failures from Bushmaster. Using non-chromed M4 barrels, lack of replacement barrels, lack of caliber conversions, lack of spare parts. Remington is also not helping the situation by keeping their highly wanted unique parts from the commercial market. I want to like the ACR, I really do, but at this point, I'll stick with ARs. I'll get an ACR once the price comes down and Freedom Group or aftermarket companies unfuck it. |
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The Bushmaster ACR is not simply the Magpul Masada made by another company, unfortunately. Bushmaster/ Remington made several material and design changes to save money and manufacturing steps, which deviated from the Masada.. If you had a Masada and ACR in front of you, this would be quite clear.
Magpul is not at all happy with Freedom Group's ACR. |
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There are problems with the ACR that have yet to be addressed by Bushmaster/Cerberus. Until those problems are fixed, and Bushmaster does good on their promise of caliber conversions & parts, the ACR will never amount to anything more than a bastardized, half assed video game rifle born from the Masada concept rifle. Just curious as to what your takes are of the "problems"? I believe the selector still has two major flaws to it, but I may be mistaken and its really just one big problem. The first is the folding stock knocking the selector from the safe position. The second is the ability for the weapon to fire when the selector is in between safe and fire. Those two issues are big safety problems in IMO. I also haven't heard about a resolution to the full auto recall. Have all ACRs been returned for service? The other problems are not really mechanical problems, but failures from Bushmaster. Using non-chromed M4 barrels, lack of replacement barrels, lack of caliber conversions, lack of spare parts. Remington is also not helping the situation by keeping their highly wanted unique parts from the commercial market. I want to like the ACR, I really do, but at this point, I'll stick with ARs. I'll get an ACR once the price comes down and Freedom Group or aftermarket companies unfuck it. 
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Quoted: The Remington ACR is not the same as the Bushmaster ACR.I saw this review ... http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2303&cid=4 Interesting that the ACR is what they'll be submitting to DoD for the upcoming competition to replace the M4. I've fired a Remington and held a BM. Just from holding it I can tell the difference in the plastic and metal. |
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There are problems with the ACR that have yet to be addressed by Bushmaster/Cerberus. Until those problems are fixed, and Bushmaster does good on their promise of caliber conversions & parts, the ACR will never amount to anything more than a bastardized, half assed video game rifle born from the Masada concept rifle. Just curious as to what your takes are of the "problems"? I believe the selector still has two major flaws to it, but I may be mistaken and its really just one big problem. The first is the folding stock knocking the selector from the safe position Mine doesn't do that. The second is the ability for the weapon to fire when the selector is in between safe and fireMine doesn't do that. Those two issues are big safety problems in IMO. I also haven't heard about a resolution to the full auto recall. Have all ACRs been returned for service? Yes this has been fixed. The other problems are not really mechanical problems, but failures from Bushmaster. Using non-chromed M4 barrels The Melonite is superior to hard chrome, lack of replacement barrels, lack of caliber conversions, lack of spare parts. Remington is also not helping the situation by keeping their highly wanted unique parts from the commercial market. I agree with this but it will come. I want to like the ACR, I really do, but at this point, I'll stick with ARs. I'll get an ACR once the price comes down and Freedom Group or aftermarket companies unfuck it. |
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The Bushmaster ACR is not simply the Magpul Masada made by another company, unfortunately. Bushmaster/ Remington made several material and design changes to save money and manufacturing steps, which deviated from the Masada.. If you had a Masada and ACR in front of you, this would be quite clear. Magpul is not at all happy with Freedom Group's ACR. More mumbo jumbo. Magpul is still involved. The ACR is the improved Masada. Higher price and heavier barrel would be all you could pit with. |
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The Remington ACR is not the same as the Bushmaster ACR.
I saw this review ... http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2303&cid=4 Interesting that the ACR is what they'll be submitting to DoD for the upcoming competition to replace the M4. I've fired a Remington and held a BM. Just from holding it I can tell the difference in the plastic and metal. How so? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are problems with the ACR that have yet to be addressed by Bushmaster/Cerberus. Until those problems are fixed, and Bushmaster does good on their promise of caliber conversions & parts, the ACR will never amount to anything more than a bastardized, half assed video game rifle born from the Masada concept rifle. Just curious as to what your takes are of the "problems"? I believe the selector still has two major flaws to it, but I may be mistaken and its really just one big problem. The first is the folding stock knocking the selector from the safe position. The second is the ability for the weapon to fire when the selector is in between safe and fire. Those two issues are big safety problems in IMO. I also haven't heard about a resolution to the full auto recall. Have all ACRs been returned for service? The other problems are not really mechanical problems, but failures from Bushmaster. Using non-chromed M4 barrels, lack of replacement barrels, lack of caliber conversions, lack of spare parts. Remington is also not helping the situation by keeping their highly wanted unique parts from the commercial market. I want to like the ACR, I really do, but at this point, I'll stick with ARs. I'll get an ACR once the price comes down and Freedom Group or aftermarket companies unfuck it. Thats a nice list of internet chatter. I have neither problem with my ACR as you describe in the first paragraph. The resolution to the recall is send your gun in at no cost to you, wait two weeks, and you have the problem fixed as well as a couple free mags for the inconvenience. The barrel is melonited, so who cares abou chrome, BFD for replacement barrels(make your own via adco or spikes), didn't buy it for caliber conversions(nor did the majority of people who own one), lack of spare parts is an ACTUAL issue(but if a part breaks, BFI sends you a new one depending on circumstances), and the whole remington thing is a bunch of people bitching about stuff they can't have that they were never even offered(or even hinted at being offered) in the first place. Right now the price point of a new basic model is close enough to the "around 1500" that Magpul suggested from the start. Hater. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Remington ACR is not the same as the Bushmaster ACR.I saw this review ... http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2303&cid=4 Interesting that the ACR is what they'll be submitting to DoD for the upcoming competition to replace the M4. I've fired a Remington and held a BM. Just from holding it I can tell the difference in the plastic and metal. How so? The lower on the Remington is an alloy lower that uses an AR safety, and has the ability to change to any AR-type grip. |
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The Bushmaster ACR is not simply the Magpul Masada made by another company, unfortunately. Bushmaster/ Remington made several material and design changes to save money and manufacturing steps, which deviated from the Masada.. If you had a Masada and ACR in front of you, this would be quite clear. Magpul is not at all happy with Freedom Group's ACR. More mumbo jumbo. Magpul is still involved. The ACR is the improved Masada. Higher price and heavier barrel would be all you could pit with. Magpul is still involved because they make the plastic parts.... Travis, on the other hand, has not a lot good to say about the ACR, and what he has said is that he has broken every one he has touched doing simple weapons manipulation drills. Sorry, I'm gonna keep drinking the Mormon Koolaid when it comes to piston driven modular carbines. |
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Quoted: Great rifle, but at 8.3 lbs. it's too damn heavy. I still can't figure out the weight. Magpul is the King of Polymer, right? Why does the ACR have a machined aluminum monolithic reciever? Why not a steel skeleton inside a polymer receiver? (a la G36?) I mean they said they wanted the ACR (ok, Masada) to be everything they thought the XM8 "should have been", so why make it out of 5 pounds of aluminum? (or whatever the reciever weighs) Maybe there's a technical reason, but I wondered that when the specs first came out. |
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Great rifle, but at 8.3 lbs. it's too damn heavy. I still can't figure out the weight. Magpul is the King of Polymer, right? Why does the ACR have a machined aluminum monolithic reciever? Why not a steel skeleton inside a polymer receiver? (a la G36?) I mean they said they wanted the ACR (ok, Masada) to be everything they thought the XM8 "should have been", so why make it out of 5 pounds of aluminum? (or whatever the reciever weighs) Maybe there's a technical reason, but I wondered that when the specs first came out. The SCAR 16s and the ACR both weigh 5.2lbs with their barrels removed. Also, my ACR has none of the problems listed by the poster who despite not owning an ACR felt the need to offer his review. 
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Quoted: The SCAR 16s and the ACR both weigh 5.2lbs with their barrels removed. Yes, I think the difference in weight between the two is *clearly* in the barrel profile. Also, it offends me that it comes with a M4 contour barrel. But that's not what's kept me from buying one. The same thing that's kept me from buying a SCAR: Price. My SIG556 was a grand, when I can get an ACR for around that price I'll probably get one. Anyway, back to weight. What's a G36 reciever weigh? Let's call the bolt carriers and barrels a wash, I couldn't find it in a cursory google search. I don't have a dog in this "fight", though. I think the ACR, for all its quirks, is a pretty solid design that if a few things happen could be a really good rifle in 2 or 3 years. If I were Freedom Group, I'd license it on the cheap, and then be the "Colt" of the ACR. Well, maybe I wouldn't but that's what I'd LIKE to happen. |
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The Bushmaster ACR is not simply the Magpul Masada made by another company, unfortunately. Bushmaster/ Remington made several material and design changes to save money and manufacturing steps, which deviated from the Masada.. If you had a Masada and ACR in front of you, this would be quite clear. Magpul is not at all happy with Freedom Group's ACR. More mumbo jumbo. Magpul is still involved. The ACR is the improved Masada. Higher price and heavier barrel would be all you could pit with. Magpul is still involved because they make the plastic parts.... Travis, on the other hand, has not a lot good to say about the ACR, and what he has said is that he has broken every one he has touched doing simple weapons manipulation drills. Sorry, I'm gonna keep drinking the Mormon Koolaid when it comes to piston driven modular carbines. The issues Travis claims that happen with ACR wont happen to mine. I have tried multiple times to try and recreate his ACR woes with no such luck. Also is there any real/firm evidence of all the ACR's he so called broke when he touched doing "simple weapons manipulation drills"? Have you operated or do you even know what an ACR is? Seriously? |
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I like mine, so far 700+ rnds of assorted ammo includeding tula steel case and it has been 100%.
Is it perfect? no. There are a few things that I wish were differant such as barrel configuration and the 1/9 twist. I figure it wont be to long before other options are available. Overall I think it's a great rifle with lots of potential. |
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