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8/25/2009 9:36:39 AM EDT
I'm taking a carbine class and I have no real desire to buy an Aimpoint or an Eotech as my AR shooting is mostly benchrest and I won't use it. I'd rather spend the money on a good quality laser.

My thoughts are that I want to gear my participation to using my AR for home defense (not a SWAT member) and familiarity with my weapon. I have no environment to practice if I had either of the above. And since I wear bifocals I found the following pistol styled sight to work quite well shooting out to 25 yds over using the standard aperture by moving it up 5-6". So it's more like a pistol sight in its use:

DL Sports CQB sight

I've not taken a carbine class before (plenty of combat pistol) so I'm wondering if I'll be okay with this setup or behind the curve without an Aimpoint or Eotech.

NOTE: The above link will show the sight I have attached. But as stated, I only use it when shooting at close targets and not the addition of co-witnessing an Aimpoint or Eotech.

Thank in advance,
Walsh

P.S. If you look at my avatar, take away the green window of the EoTech and the reticle and that's the sight I look down when shooting.




8/25/2009 10:48:11 AM EDT
[#1]
I was against Aimpoints until I tried one.....then I realized how much faster you can acquire the target and fire compared to a traditional front blade/rear aperture type sight.

For home defense.....the Aimpoint/Eotech is far better than a laser as it will not give away your position and it's illuminated unlike standard irons.  Still, a weapon light is important for identifying your target if you have children (or other friendlies) in the home.

For a carbine class, I'd think it would be a big advantage, but there's nothing wrong with trying your first class without one (unless it's required for the course) and then borrow a rifle at another time with one mounted to see if it might be an advantage for you.

JMO,
Sean
8/25/2009 2:20:28 PM EDT
[#2]
You'll do fine with irons.  You probably won't be the only one using them anyway.  I've competed with irons in various multi-gun matches I do quite well with them.  

With that being said, I've recently gotten in to red dot optics (Aimpoint M4) and I'd recommend getting an Aimpoint and forgetting about the laser.
8/25/2009 4:28:26 PM EDT
[#3]
HWS, Red Dots, and whatever else optics wise is nice. They speed things up, but they're not necessary. You'll be fine with iron sights as plenty of people go with just irons.

If price is a serious concern though I'd look at affordable options like the Vortex Strikefire and Primary Optics Aimpoint clone. The E&E here is a great place to find deal as well on used optics.

8/25/2009 6:20:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
You'll do fine with irons.  You probably won't be the only one using them anyway.  I've competed with irons in various multi-gun matches I do quite well with them.  

With that being said, I've recently gotten in to red dot optics (Aimpoint M4) and I'd recommend getting an Aimpoint and forgetting about the laser.


The reason I've thought of the laser - and it would need to be added to the barrel as I want it 1" from where the iron sights will hit - is that I've drawn my weapon twice and pointed it at someone. My eyes were off those sights in a heartbeat if it hit them at all. I shoot weekly, but I think it just takes more than that to stay on the sights when a threat is perceiveed as real.

That seems to fit in with what I have read here occasionally of troops returning that have been in CQB. I've heard it said that it's point shooting when a real threat arises, and in particular in a room. That was Colonel Applegate's thought if I recall correctly and the whole concept of point shooting.

Any thoughts on that subject welcomed.

Thanks to all for the replies,
Walsh

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