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Posted: 3/16/2008 4:29:51 AM EDT
| What is the lightest weight semi-auto .308 Win. rifle ??? Thanks....Mike |
Almost surely correct, although some uncommon French rifles re-chambered to .308 might be lighter. Also, there are a few civvy hunting-=style semi-autos that would be lighter than either. Tell us what your end-goal is for the firearm, as well as why lightness ia a priority, and we will be able to give you better advice. |
| For the price you cant beat the Saiga with a 16in barrel. I call it the poor mans M1A SOCOM. I wouldnt even convert it to pistol grip. just put decent glass on it and youre good to go. Hi cap mags are pricey but no more than quality M1A mags. Light short and handy, most of all reliable and damn near indestructable compared to a civilian hunting rifle. |
Well, what kind of groups will the Saiga deliver at 100 yds from field positions, NOT benched, using milsurp ammo? The M1A's accuracy level is pretty well known, but how's the Saiga doing? If it won't do 4 MOA, then forget it. A good rifle is a balance between accuracy and reliability. What's the story on the Saiga? FWIW, I always thought the M1A SOCOM was a marketing ploy for ill-informed suckers. Scout version, now, that's another story. |
| Id have to say either the Saiga in 16" or a Cetme/HK. My Congo Style FAL easily outweighs my Saiga. I havent finished building my HK yet but handling others I'd say they are relatively light. Just cant make a direct comparison of the 2 but Im going to have to give the nod to the saiga as the lightest. |
See above.
It was an A3 and it had a  Correction... not fluted barrel, just pulled it out of the safe... significant weight reduction does appear possible though, thin profile barrel. |
Then break out a scale and answer your own stupid question. I'll bet it is within a few ounces. |
I don't have a scale or I would. You were the one who started the insults with your smartass rolling of the eyes, so save your indignation. |
Maybe if you traded your poor attitude for a quality scale you would not have to answer the OP's question with a question. Or you could send it to me and I will weigh it for you. Buddy. 
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He specifically asked for a semi - but you are right if you were planning on carrying a lot and shooting a little. A ten lb rifle starts to "weigh" a lot more fast. |
I must have built my Para FAL wrong as I sure would not consider it light  None of my 308s are light but the AR-10 carbine with their later lightweight barrels has to be ligher then a Para FAL. I bet my Para FAL weights more then my CAR-10 and my CAR-10 has the older heavy profile barrel. Now, perhaps my PARA stock is steel and there are lighter options but still... My para is feals pretty darned heavy. I'll have to weigh her... |
Thank you for your kind and SELFLESS offer! It is a beauty, NIB, I requested the number on it be #911 in tribute to the men and women who lost their lives on September 11, 2001... including 40 of my co-workers. You have an A2 though, so you wouldn't want my crappy SEBR A3... 
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Anything to help a fellow arfcommer. Thank you for your tribute. Send it to me and see if I send it back. I knew we could resolve this without having to  to make up. A simple proverbial handshake will do. The rolleyes was the closest animation I had that looked up. I'm betting you probably have teenage children who roll their eyes at you and it makes you .
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Well, at least you were making top wages and were able to buy a nice rifle. 
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It is between the Saiga 308 and the AR-10 I'll let you know, I have a 16" saiga and a 21" saiga, and am building a 16" ar-10 and a 20" AR-10 So far, the saiga looks like it might have a slight edge, assuming equal barrel profiles of course. I am not positive on that yet though. Also, to the guy who asked about saiga accuracy, they are 1.5-2 MOA rifles with good ammo unless you get a lemon. They dont have the vertical stringing issues the FAL does because they have a rotary locking bolt. The only problem is the scope mounting options suck and add a lot of weight. I think I am going to mill the rear sight base flat on mine and weld a section of picatinny rail there to mount a dot or short scope. I hate the side mounts. |
And it's an A4, not an A3.  As to the original question, a good AR10A2 or A4 carbine would suit the OP's needs. Go A2 or A4 depending on the uses for it. As for a good all around rifle, an A2 rifle or carbine can't be beat, be it 5.56 or 7.62 NATO. |
lol, was it? I just remember it was a flat top and came with no handle? |
Also, my SEBR was a 20" rifle with a god-awful-heavy fiberglass float tube on it. The rifle was something of a pig. Were there more than one version of the ARFCOM SEBR AR10s? |
ArmaLite stuck with the military designations in line with the M16. With the M16, an A2 is a fixed carry handle with 3 round burst, an A3 is an A2 with full auto, and an A4 is a flattop with 3 round burst, so ArmaLite (owned by a former Army ordnance officer) kept their designations in line with that, so they call their flattop rifles an A4. |
I can't remember if you they did it once and you had a choice or if it was done more than one time with a different configuration for each time. |
Are those measurements sans accessories? (mag/optics/VFG/rail/sights) Because my DPMS LR-308 is about 10.5lbs with all of that included (mag empty). |
Weight empty from Mfgs web sites. I cheated a little that is the DPMS LR 308 Light Weight model.  |
Sorry GrayMan I didn't look. I thought your quote about my post on page one. Here is the lmy list from page one. Browning BAR Short Trac 6.10 Benelli R1 7.2 Remington 750 7.5 DPMS LR 308 LW 7.9 DSA FAL 16” 8.35 M1A 9.2 PTR-91 9.8 |
Oops, I guess RIF. So he doesn't want a Thompson Contender with a .308 barrel either? Just kidding, interesting to see the rifle weight comparisons. I was surprised how heavy some of the supposedly lighter semi-autos are. I carry a M1A elk hunting in a jungle sling with a five round magazine & 3x9 scope. The weight never gets to me with that sling. |
Have they started chambering the contender in 308? Or were you refering to the encore? I have not kept up with them. Nice guns though. |
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