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Posted: 11/18/2007 1:58:20 PM EDT
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Just came across this marketing PDF made-up for LEO sales for the SCAR. www.fnhusa.com/downloads/FNH_SCAR_Brochure.pdf Here is a PDF SOCOM presentation that is very informative. www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006smallarms/smith.pdf |
You're right, according to page 14 of the second .pdf they are "20 round box magazines, FAL type". That's damn good news, I don't want a rifle with $40 proprietary mags. I already have a bunch of FAL mags, so if it uses them unmodified that is good news indeed. 
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It's been stated several times that they are not interchangable with FAL mags. The body is similar or identical, but the feedlips are different in addition to the mag catch hole. For the sake of current military users I think it would have been ideal to standardize the SCAR-H and M110/Mk11 mags.
  LE wouldn't pay that and neither will consumers that can put two functional brain cells together. It's not like it is the only rifle in existence.
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Well that sucks. I thought I had read somewhere that they were proprietary. Scratch that rifle off my list, I won't spend $500 on mags for a $1500 rifle. 
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I would be very suprised if this rifle comes out at under 2k. I am not expert but seening the trend and demand for the rifle like this I don't see it. I hope I am worng I would love it if it were true. |
That's silly. They can and will get these out for $1,200-$1,500. Everybody should stop publicly declaring how they'll pay $2,000+. FN will make it happen for ya if y'all keep posting it. Just start saying you'll 'pay up to $1,200 for one.' |
Indeed. Don't forget, initially the PS90 and FS2000 were both priced several hundred dollars above what they sell for now. I believe prices will drop within a few months of public release, if we have the sand to wait that long for one. |
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I do remember seeing something somewhere that said that SOCOM was paying about $1500 per rifle. I'm not sure what the mark-up will be for civilian retail purchase? My guess is that it really will not be that bad folks. The people saying it is going to go for $3,000 are off their rocker. They do actually want to sell these rifles after all. |
The thing is you're taking a risk with the Masada. If it turns out be a good rifle thats great and I'll be as happy as anyone else, but as much as I like Magpul who can say for sure since this is their first rifle ever. I'm not trying to be a "hater" here and I want to stress everything I have seen about the Masada has been encouraging, but even the biggest Magpul fan has to admit it hasn't been tested like the SCAR. Plus, for me I want that 7.62x51mm option BAD. Mapul will most likely not have their 7.62x51mm available right away. Whereas the L and the H SCAR have been developed and tested already. I'll pay a little more for that consideration and peace of mind. |
That's my hope...........I sure want one, and would like for it to be under 2k, but if it's not, then I guess I will have to just save my cash
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You have good points. However I feel that the MASADA will do fine when it comes out. Magpul took existing off ths helf parts and blended them together to create this rifle. They thought about this rifle in a way only a small company with a small budget can. They really didn't design anything new (like the SCAR) but instead used the best from many different rifles. They incorporated a standard off the shelf AR barrel, a standard off the shelf AR bolt, a standard off the shelf AR fire control group, and a standard AR feeding system (the AR magazine). The items not standard are the stock, the housing for all the parts (the upper and lower), and the gas piston even though it is designed from existing systems. So I dont see the large potential for getting a rifle that wont function like the latest Steyr AUG clones which are mostly custom designed. I think the SCAR is great, I mean it should be considering how much money FN and the US government have thrown at it. But I like the idea behind the MASADA better, I like the company behind the MASADA better, and I like the fact the most of the parts are off the shelf and not proprietary. |
I've been wondering if FAL mags could be modified: change the follower & punch a hole for the mag catch. Probably not, though. |
The only thing that has me really interested in the Masada right now is the fact that it has the ability to accept any AR match trigger. That gives the user a lot of options to custom their trigger whereas the SCAR will probably just have the one standard trigger. The AR barrels are nice, but the SCAR's barrel has an insane life span and is probably the better barrel if you don't take price into consideration. For me though if I was interested in the Masada I'd wait for a good three to six months to read reports. Plus, their 7.62x51mm option might not come out before 2009 and thats a big deal to me. The 5.56mm is great, but a new 7.62x51mm with the same controls for training in an age where really there aren't that many new options in that caliber is pretty nice. |
I am not diagreeing with you, everyones opinion is different and they want rifles for different reasons, I just thought I would repsond to a few points; Barrel - if the barrel can be made one way for the Scar to increase life it can be made for the AR. Right now Noveske has barrels made from M240 blanks with heavy chrome lining that have an insane life compared to standard barrels. I would also imagine it would be close to the Scar. If you can make it for one you can make it for the other. I agree with your points on waiting to read reports but I dont know yet. In the 9 years since I could legally own a firearm I have never lusted after a new product. This is the first one for me. And I saved enough to make it happen. I can see why people would want to SCAR for the 7.62x51 option. However to me it isnt important. |
I bet the SCAR is going to retail around $2100-$2200. I am taking the FS2000 pricing in consideration. Since the SCAR has won a Military conrtract it will be in more demand then the FS2000 is/was. I would buy the SACR before the MASADA for the simple reason that is has been tested for several years and has the longest life cycle claim made by a proven company. I also would buy one of the MASADAs after it is well field tested/proven. |
| So what's the big deal with the SCAR anyway? I have been following it closely and will more than likely own one if it is less than $1800. However, I don't see that it is any different really except it sure looks ugly. Why is it so much better or different than the XCR, FS2000, AUG, etc.? I can see the 7.62x51 excitement but in 5.56 specifically? |
I dont really think you can compare either the SCAR or the Masada to the FS2000 or the Steyr. They are completely different guns and designs. As to the XCR, I dont own one. |
Short answer: The FS2000 and AUG are bullpups and the XCR shares many common traits, but is not the winner of the SCAR competition and wil not be the service rifle of SOCOM. The Masada claims to have more features and a tooless quick change barrel, but does not have the long life span of the SCAR, because it uses more commonly available better priced AR parts. Any intelligent person could probably come-up with a good argument why they will get this rifle over that rifle. However, the fact that the SCAR has won such a HUGE contract and ha been so well tested along with the fact that it is a modular well thought design available in 7.62x51mm has a lot of appeal to me. I have a good deal of .223 rifles and I'm not really a big 6.8 SPC or 7.62x39mm fan so for me that 7.62x51mm H is pretty cool. |
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This brings up something that I have been thinking. That the H model of the SCAR is the most exciting aspect of the new design. There haven't been many new .308 rifles. I don't have a .223 so I am unbelievably psyched for the Masada. And I can't believe that the price for the SCAR will ever be under 2k. |
Maybe, but that won't include an edgy AAC Blackout suppressor mount/flash hider. The 12" model in 6.8 with the AAC SPR-M4 is schweeeet! |
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