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4/3/2004 7:41:01 PM EDT
Well, here is my story all about how my life got twist turned upside down.

So, I have this Yugo mauser that I've put maybe 100 rounds through in two years. It was new unfired when I bought it, and I generally hate the thing but its the only centerfire bolt gun I own and I can't hit shit with it.  So, I get a bug and order an NCstar 2-7x scout scope to go with the $50 scout mount i bought with the thing two years ago.  Now, how to site it in and get it on paper?  Well, I read the directions with the scope and followed them.  I took my cleaning bench to the range with me and secured the rifle in it on the 50 yard line.  I then pulled the bolt and looked through the barrel until I could see the target centered.  I then adjusted the scope to match the picture in the bore.  I return the bolt and fire 5 rounds from the bench.  Wonder of wonders it worked.  I hit paper, 5 round group of about 1" about 4 inches low and 4 inches right.  A little adjustment and I'm on the money.  Who woulda thought that I'd actually like shooting this thing?  Now the best part is that there were a couple other shooters on the line with M48As and they couldn't belive how well this thing was shooting.  I love this rifle now.  My pseudo sniper is a masterpiece.  Next week it goes to 100.
4/4/2004 5:14:05 AM EDT
[#1]
That was very interesting.... simple yet effective. Me likes.

Wonder how you could do the same with an AR.
4/4/2004 6:07:48 AM EDT
[#2]
Dental mirror.
4/4/2004 6:18:18 AM EDT
[#3]
If you decide that you really don't like this POS rifle I would be more than happy to send some $ your way.  Besides, no one ever did any good with a Mauser. They are evil rifle made and used by evil people.

The round is inferior the the 5.56 as it does not tumble and fragment, Uhm..... over penetration is quite excessive, it kicks badly....you can't hit anything with that cheap Turkish ammo......you can not fit flashlights or other tactical gear on them.  They just plain suck.

Seriously, glad you got it working for you.  Sometime this summer you can come out to Mansfield and do an all Mauser ground hog hunt with us "real" JBTs.  The rifle will impress you even more.
4/4/2004 6:32:12 AM EDT
[#4]
Rob:

Now I have a question?  I read on the Mitchell's site that the scout mount idea was actually a german invention, but I can find no historical reference to it on the net.  Can you point me in the right direction?  Oh, I'm in for mansfield, so long as I can bring an AR as backup?
4/4/2004 7:05:17 AM EDT
[#5]

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Dental mirror.



Details? Pictures? Step-by-step for Dummies walkthrough?
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4/4/2004 7:15:52 AM EDT
[#6]
Secure rifle on bench using a cradle,  open and lock bolt of rifle.  insert small mirror into the breach where you can see the reflection of the bore.  Point and adjust cradled rifle at target until you can see target in mirror.  Then match picture in scope.
4/4/2004 7:43:34 AM EDT
[#7]
Well, kind-of, sort-of yes.

They used the really shitty very hated Zf-41 scope.  It was mounted over the rear sight. I don't remember the exact size but it was something like 1.5X by 20mm.  Set that far forward, it was not popular.

By todays standards it would be considered a "scout" set up. The Germans just hated them.

Here is a nice selection of K98 sniper rifles.  The one on the top is the one we are talking about.

Edit, link won't work.  Let me find another.

Try this. www.gunboards.com/forums/uploaded/simon/200391841837_Dsc00092.jpg  Fourth from the bottom.
4/4/2004 8:06:00 AM EDT
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Wonder how you could do the same with an AR.



I usually just set the rifle up on a bipod or bag, open the action far enough to remove the bolt, and stick an empty case (or whatever) between the upper & lower in front of the bolt stop.  Then you can look down the bore and through the sights at the same time.  The farther your head is back from the bore, the better centered your view will be.  
4/4/2004 8:56:16 AM EDT
[#9]

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Wonder how you could do the same with an AR.



I usually just set the rifle up on a bipod or bag, open the action far enough to remove the bolt, and stick an empty case (or whatever) between the upper & lower in front of the bolt stop.  Then you can look down the bore and through the sights at the same time.  The farther your head is back from the bore, the better centered your view will be.  



That's kind of what I was figuring. I'll give it a try, thanks.

I was just thinking of this in the shower, where all great thinkers have their best ideas. I know this would be extremely cumberson to drag to a range, but do you think this would make a wicked stable bench rest when bore sighting? Or would you simply be the laughing stock of the range dragging this out there?

images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000224R9.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The first time I took my new BM out to the range, I was using flip-up sights for the first time, and my accuracy was for shit compared to my issue rifle and its fixed iron sights. Granted I was just goofing around, not really making a concerted effort to zero it, but usually I am in the ball park. This thing was all over the place.
4/4/2004 10:39:53 AM EDT
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I was just thinking of this in the shower, where all great thinkers have their best ideas. I know this would be extremely cumberson to drag to a range, but do you think this would make a wicked stable bench rest when bore sighting? Or would you simply be the laughing stock of the range dragging this out there?

images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000224R9.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg



If you're talking about a range with no concrete or wood benches, then it is better than nothing.    I think there are some nice portable benches; I'm sure someone will post more info.

Keep in mind that boresighting is not a horribly precise exercise.  You basically just need something to set your rifle on.  
4/4/2004 11:49:52 AM EDT
[#11]
This is the rest I used.  It also and primarily serves as my cleaning bench.


www.mtmcase-gard.com/products/shooting/shoo.html
4/4/2004 12:32:43 PM EDT
[#12]
I have found that a rolled sleeping bag works very well as a rest. Especially when lying down.
4/4/2004 3:45:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Just separate the upper from the lower to boresight. let it sit on sandbags or whatever, as long as it will set still while you compare the views it will work fine.


We used to boresight tanks using thread and binoculars in a similiar fashion. Now they use a boresight tool.
4/4/2004 5:58:19 PM EDT
[#14]
I tried it out with my Remington 700PSS. I did it on my dining room table, aiming at a mismatched shingle on my neighbor's roof. I didn't have any sandbags handy in the kitche but I did have a bag of Mohatma Rice, which did a good enough job.

I'll probably use a normal vice set up for my AR.

This got me wondering though... do any of you guys have experience with that Accushot Monopod. That was the first thing I thought of when I was hunting around for something to level the stock with the bipod. It seems like a cool widget to have.
4/4/2004 9:20:12 PM EDT
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This got me wondering though... do any of you guys have experience with that Accushot Monopod. That was the first thing I thought of when I was hunting around for something to level the stock with the bipod. It seems like a cool widget to have.



Yep.  I have one on my PSS, and it's great for bench shooting.  You set it to hold the stock at about the right height, and then you can make fine adjustments with your rear hand.  Usually, I have my rear hand about the monopod, and I contract it a little to gain the final few mils of stock height.
4/5/2004 5:13:18 AM EDT
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Do you have the longer one or the short one?
4/5/2004 7:33:59 PM EDT
[#17]
I just got the ALPEC laser boresighter at Brownell's.  I just bought the 8600 Shop Kit.  A little expensive, but it's damn well worth it.  The kit fits just about any caliber.  You have sleeves that look like casings and one .223 insert/sleeve that fits into all of them.

www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1419&title=LASER+BORESIGHTER
4/5/2004 8:15:19 PM EDT
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I just got the ALPEC laser boresighter at Brownell's.  I just bought the 8600 Shop Kit.  A little expensive, but it's damn well worth it.  The kit fits just about any caliber.  You have sleeves that look like casings and one .223 insert/sleeve that fits into all of them.



Can you buy just the .223 one and then get the sleeves later on for other calibers?
4/5/2004 8:32:00 PM EDT
[#19]

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I just got the ALPEC laser boresighter at Brownell's.  I just bought the 8600 Shop Kit.  A little expensive, but it's damn well worth it.  The kit fits just about any caliber.  You have sleeves that look like casings and one .223 insert/sleeve that fits into all of them.



Can you buy just the .223 one and then get the sleeves later on for other calibers?

Yep.  Go to that url in my post and it explains all your options.

If you look at the individual prices, the kit is the way to go.

It is a little confusing, just take out the word "fits" on the price list.  Where it says "fits 8500 kit", just change that to "8500 kit".  Down towards the bottom is the "fits .223", part number 100-000-793 is the .223 laser module.  It is $139.  Most of the sleeves are around $70 each.  The 8600 kit gives you the module and 4 sleeves for $233.
4/10/2004 4:21:49 AM EDT
[#20]
I use Leupold Magnetic Boresighter for setting up scopes. Used once for iron sights. Got on paper but not as close as with a scope.
Gerry
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