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Posted: 1/22/2003 4:52:07 PM EDT
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Why does not any company, like Bushmaster, DPMS, Armlite, Colt and on, and on, and on, or any after market company make the attachment to mount a shotgun like a Rem 870 below the handguards on a 20" HBAR AR15, when I was in the military 15 years ago we had them for a entry weapon in a urban situations, for the life of me I can't remember who made them. We can get everything from a 37mm launcher to a light or laser for the AR15 but not this, or am I asking for something that would really drive the anti-gunners to march in front of my house. |
| There are two companies who make them. Do a web search, they are there. The reason no one does it is that the weapon instantly becomes an AOW, they are very limited use, they are not terribly ergonomic, the barrels are shortened so much they are essentially useless for personell at a range greater than 15M, and their mags are capable of only holding 3-4 rounds. These items are used for breaching doors. You smack the hinges and locks with specialty rounds one-two-three and then go in. You can do this just as quickly, quieter, and without the extra liabilty that comes from shooting through a door just by using a ram or a breaching tool. Does that explain it? BTW, I might be crazy, but I ain't nuts. I will never pay $2-3,500 plus allow the BATF to peer up my asshole for an 870 or a Mossberg pump that can't hit a damned thing. |
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What I talking about is a rem 870 with a 18" barrel, no stock. thats what we had in the military, the front of the shotgun extended about 3-4 inches past the end of the barrel of the M16, it was about the same to handle as a M16 with a M203 on it, with the shotgun with a 18" barrel why would the ATF make you get the Tax stamp |
In Michigan, the rule relates to collapsible stocks and overall length... The rule is this:
As long as you're over 26" with no collapsible stock you're legal. Add a collapsible, you've got to be 30" or over with the stock collapsed or you have to register it... Kinda dumb... Edited to add:... the AR/shotgun combo you're thinking of was made my Jonathan Arthur Ciener. |
The dimensions are 18" barrell and 26" overall. So you can mount a shotgun with those dimensions no problem. On the federal side. edited for spelling |
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Oh boy, there is ALOT of misinformation being spread around here. 1- Mounting a shotgun under a Ar-15 does NOT instantly make it an AOW. As a matter of fact it instantly DISQUALIFIES it from being, or from ever being an AOW. That 'designed to be fired from the shoulder' thing. 2- As long as the shotgun is 'permanently', I am not saying welded here I am saying bolted on requiring tools to remove, IE not quick detachable, mounted then the AR15 counts as a shoulder stock for the shotgun. 3- IF the barrel length is greater than 18" and IF it is 'bolted' on then it does not fall within NFA calssification. 4- Now if you do shorten the barrel to under 18", or if the mount is a 'quick detach' and the shotgun falls under 26" while detached then you have to SBS it, not AOW it. I say again you cannot AOW it. |
Silence is correct. If the barrel is shorther than 18" and it is attached to an ar15 or it has a buttstock, it is a short barreled shotgun, and requires a $200 stamp. With a barrel less than 18", not attached to anything with a buttstock, and has no buttstock itself, it is an AOW and requires a $5 stamp. |
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