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Posted: 12/23/2002 6:41:00 PM EDT
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Does anyone know where I can find some factual test results for shootings or ballistic potential of 00 buck vs. 000 buck? Our Police department is considering going from 00 to 000. I have heard that it groups better and it makes sense that it should penetrate better. I understand that there are fewer pellets but I'm having a hard time finding any other drawbacks. Thanks |
Testing grouping is easy - get a few boxes of shells, some butcher block paper, cardboard backing, and a shotgun. I would even volunteer to do the tests myself for a small fee  . Have a look over at the ammo forum for some of the gel testing results pages where you'll likely find your buck shot tests. |
| I always prefered #1 buck. It actually carries a heavier load and number of pellets. 16-20 .30 cal. pellets over #00's 9-12 .33 cal. I was told by someone who hunts big game in Africa, that its the choice of guides going into the bush after wounded cats. Dont know for sure thats true, but it is a hell of a up close load. |
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www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm Read this, I found it interesting a while back. It also reccomends #1 buck over 00 and 000 buck.
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Well, they say almost all (Over 80%) police-involved shootings are at less than 7 yards so I'll hazard a guess that's what they mean. I would also guess less than 7 yards because that's about as far as our standard police 870s will keep all the pellets on a human-sized target. Some of the guys that have Vang-Comped guns can go out to 30 yards and beyond but the regular cylinder guns don't hold a pattern that well. The patterning issue is what is causing us to look for something that holds a pattern better. We have been looking at the Remington 00 8-pellet Tactical loads and they have been grouping GREAT for us. We haven't been getting the occasional fliers like we do with the Federal Tac loads. While we were testing the Remington 00 loads, we were told to also test the 000 loads and that's why we're researching them also. |
| Since your held to a different standard than us "civies", whats considered acceptable as far as groups and at what range are your limits? I'm not sure what you mean by flyers, like the one pellet that opens a group up, or one thats way out from the others? On standard silhouette(IPSC) targets, #1 buck out of my Ithaca, Remington, and Winchester shotguns(cyl. bored)consistently will put all 16 pellets into 10" or less(usually less) at 10 yards. At 25 yards, I usually have a couple missing from the target, but the target is pretty well covered at the point I was aiming. |
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EPD1102; Replied to you in the other forum, but the standard "rule of thumb"...rough, but itwill hold pretty well...is about one inch of pellet spread per yard of distance. At 7yd. you should be getting 6-8in. patterns with almost any buckshot loads out there. The Tactical loads will shoot tighter. I have seen many, many old 870s with "cylinder" bores that can easily keep #00 on a silhouette to 12-15yd. (not in the white...on target) Are you having a problem with the guns shooting high? |
| 00..seems to be the "norm".....personally.....00...or #4 turkey...3"....would do any damage necessary.......a friend says #4 buck......but if turkey 3"ers arent enough......then some`ting wong......actually.....#4 high brass spreaders are pretty damned effective......there sure is a lot of arguement here.....but these are all easy to get....... |
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We see the standard rule of thumb about 1 inch of spread per yard of distance on most of our guns but not all. We have about 100 870s in our arsenal that officers can check out if they don't want to buy their own gun. Of course, we want all of our shotguns to keep all of the shot in a torso-sized area so we don't get downrange hits on non-targets. With the Federal Tactical 00 loads, we seem to get 1 or 2 pellets out of each shell that just want to do their own thing. That's why we're re-thinking our shotgun ammo. The Remington 8-pellet 00 buck has done the best for us but they're damn proud of it. The best prices we can find are still double what we can get the Federal for. |
try gil hebard....knoxville ill.....phone is 309-289-2700....fax is 2233......they advertise fed le ammo #4 and #2....both in different configurations for better patterns.....hope they`re still there but great people to work with......probably give you a decent price ..don`t know how it will compare...but worth the effort........
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