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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ATN X sight II (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/8/2016 3:11:37 PM EDT
| I started looking around for a decent day/night vision scope to put on my AK and 300BLK upper. Was planning on getting another Eotech 552 as that is what I currently use but decided to look into the ATN X- sight II given the pricing between them was close. I am just looking for something that I can use for day or night with a range of 100 to say 400 yards. Anyone have experience with the latest model? Are they garbage, just don't want to waste the money on junk. The online videos showed a nice clear image but rather hear from people here. Thanks |
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Quoted: I started looking around for a decent day/night vision scope to put on my AK and 300BLK upper. Was planning on getting another Eotech 552 as that is what I currently use but decided to look into the ATN X- sight II given the pricing between them was close. I am just looking for something that I can use for day or night with a range of 100 to say 400 yards. Anyone have experience with the latest model? Are they garbage, just don't want to waste the money on junk. The online videos showed a nice clear image but rather hear from people here. Thanks The ATN Smart HD Owners group on Facebook is the best source of data, etc. It is a closed group so you will need to request access. Bottom line - For Active IR hunting, these scopes are bringing down a lot of varmints and a LOT of bacon. |
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Its about 1/5th the cost of a NV scope. Its about 1/5th as good. Recording ability is nice. Daytime use is nice. Its worth the money, most people seem to be pleased with it. I don't recommend it for action shooting though. Its kinda heavy and the FoV is smallish plus there is just enough video lag to make hitting moving things a little more challenging. |
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Quoted: I think you should! Don't think I have seen Satchel post over there. Quoted: Quoted: Wonder if they would let me join the Facebook ATN smart owners group ? Hmmmm...  Nah, Satchal would shit himself if I joined.  I think you should! Don't think I have seen Satchel post over there. The FB group is NOT run by ATN. It is a group of long time users who are very frank about the initial problems with the scopes during "the bad old days". Non-owners are routinely approved for membership and the only expectation is that they remain polite in their interactions and DO NOT TROLL. I think you'd be perfectly happy over there, Dino. It isn't a group of fanbois acting like a clique. In terms of tone and knowledge sharing, it's very much like here. Other BIG advantage to being a member of the FB group. A number of the senior support personnel monitor the group almost daily and are also available via emails for follow-up. This has meant that people who were getting nowhere with ATN CS (which with regard to the ATN Smart scopes is a small number) have had someone else who can and DOES get resolution of their problems for them. The group topped 5,000 registered members a few weeks back. Add in the video capture - I don't know of anywhere on the web where you will see more hunting videos posted daily. |
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Quoted: Wonder if they would let me join the Facebook ATN smart owners group ? Hmmmm... Nah, Satchal would shit himself if I joined. Join up man. It isn't a bunch of ATN fans unless they are fans because they are enjoying the product they paid for. (Which looks like the majority of them). When their stuff doesn't work, they complain loudly. Most of them aren't hard core NV guys like we have here, so they are all super excited about the capabilities of the X sight. It makes sense if you think about it, the X sight's price point is so freeking low that it opened the doors to a bunch of people who never would have gotten NV otherwise. |
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Quoted: It isn't a group of fanbois acting like a clique. In terms of tone and knowledge sharing, it's very much like here. Disagree. There is quite a bit of circle-jerking going on in that group. Jason Jones, Ben Blaker, and Nick Frederic are all quick to blame the user when an obvious flaw is first discovered. That being said, the biggest turn-off to me about the group what the sheer volume of idiots that ask the same goddamned questions over and over again, after they've already been answered. |
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Quoted: Disagree. There is quite a bit of circle-jerking going on in that group. Jason Jones, Ben Blaker, and Nick Frederic are all quick to blame the user when an obvious flaw is first discovered. That being said, the biggest turn-off to me about the group what the sheer volume of idiots that ask the same goddamned questions over and over again, after they've already been answered. Quoted: Quoted: It isn't a group of fanbois acting like a clique. In terms of tone and knowledge sharing, it's very much like here. Disagree. There is quite a bit of circle-jerking going on in that group. Jason Jones, Ben Blaker, and Nick Frederic are all quick to blame the user when an obvious flaw is first discovered. That being said, the biggest turn-off to me about the group what the sheer volume of idiots that ask the same goddamned questions over and over again, after they've already been answered. Perhaps your experience pre-dates mine which only goes back to Christmas, but I haven't noticed those individuals being "quick to blame the user" ... ... which is an ironic observation on your part given your comment "the biggest turn-off to me about the group what the sheer volume of idiots that ask the same goddamned questions over and over again, after they've already been answered"  It's a FB support group which guarantees lots of people who want to be led by the hand through every step - even routine focusing steps long term optical scope users do without thinking. I would differ from BushmanLA's opinion on relative value based on the empirical evidence from the users - there is a LOT of value for feral pig and varmint control to be found in the ATN Smart HD scopes since the users are proving you can use ACTIVE IR extremely effectively at a much lower price point. When I look at the ThOR HD video he posted today, I am beginning to think I may find myself saving my pennies for a ThOR 384 HD scope down the road. |
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Wonder if they would let me join the Facebook ATN smart owners group ? Hmmmm...
Nah, Satchal would shit himself if I joined. Dino are scared shitless to go there without your fanboys? Please... I am happy to see you because I missed you ! 
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I have a full dedicated NV set up (TNVC PVS-14 helmet mounted, ATPIAL-C PEQ 15, X300) that I have serious $$$ invested in...then I picked up the X-Sight II 5-20 to play around with more long range shooting (this is the major drawback I've found with the PVS-14, even with a 3x mag...at night, its tough to take shots for me out past 150 yards).
I am taking the X-Sight II out this weekend to plink around with and see I can get a coyote out past 200 yards. My initial reactions: Pros: relatively inexpensive, decent looking image, tons of features (the recoil activated video is really cool), solid feeling, night vision is ok (compared with Gen 3, it sucks but with an IR illuminator, its not bad). Cons: this thing is HEAVY...would not recommend it for stalking or on a lightweight setup. The clarity at full magnification seems suspect (again, still haven't fully tested it but from my back porch, it may not be clear enough in NV mode to fully utilize the 20x magnification). Will do a more thorough report next week after I get out of the woods... |
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Quoted: Cons: this thing is HEAVY...would not recommend it for stalking or on a lightweight setup. That's the weakest part of using it I found. If you are hunting over a feeder etc, its a VERY cheap way of killing things at night. If you are using it to scout large areas, you are going to be aggravated with the need for focus and IR adjustments. It can be done, it just isn't ideal. |
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Two X-sights are 1.5 times better than 1, especially with a Ra-Lu mount! Oh for fucks sake. You don't have the ATN industry forum to troll anymore so you do it in this thread instead.....Stay classy. Why haven't you gotten a time out for that shit already? 
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Two X-sights are 1.5 times better than 1, especially with a Ra-Lu mount! Oh for fucks sake. You don't have the ATN industry forum to troll anymore so you do it in this thread instead.....Stay classy. Why haven't you gotten a time out for that shit already?
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Two X-sights are 1.5 times better than 1, especially with a Ra-Lu mount! Oh for fucks sake. You don't have the ATN industry forum to troll anymore so you do it in this thread instead.....Stay classy. Why haven't you gotten a time out for that shit already? I have him on ignore but thanks for clearing that up.
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^ Thats pretty funny.
After being on and now booted off of the ATN owners FB page, I can say that the page is heavily censored by some of the mods. I really can't believe how many post are removed and not junk post ether. The members over all are a good group of guys, but there are a couple mods that can suck it. While I am not a ATN fan boy or really have 100% confidence in their products the new thor hd could be a good product if they get their act together. I believe in the thor hd line enough that I have one inbound. |
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Quoted: ^ Thats pretty funny. After being on and now booted off of the ATN owners FB page, I can say that the page is heavily censored by some of the mods. I really can't believe how many post are removed and not junk post ether. The members over all are a good group of guys, but there are a couple mods that can suck it. While I am not a ATN fan boy or really have 100% confidence in their products the new thor hd could be a good product if they get their act together. I believe in the thor hd line enough that I have one inbound. What the heck did they boot you for? |
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Quoted: TBooting your own customers has got to bad business or maybe they could care less...  You've been around long enough to now there's more than one side to a story. There is higher volume on the ATN Smart HD page than there is here. I read it all hours of the day & night (advantage of being retired) and I have not seen what caver101 referred to as an issue or what another commenter here said about a small clique of fanbois being mean to critics. I've been very frank regarding my view of the ATN X-Sights. I am, like a lot of others, really curious to see what the ThOR HD units are going to be able to deliver. ATN has had some missteps on the very first ThOR units coming from the vendors rather than direct from ATN. I am not what that means yet. Most likely ... nothing. |
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^ Thats pretty funny. After being on and now booted off of the ATN owners FB page, I can say that the page is heavily censored by some of the mods. I really can't believe how many post are removed and not junk post ether. The members over all are a good group of guys, but there are a couple mods that can suck it. While I am not a ATN fan boy or really have 100% confidence in their products the new thor hd could be a good product if they get their act together. I believe in the thor hd line enough that I have one inbound. What the heck did they boot you for? Honestly I have no clue. First board Ive been booted off of in my 20 years of being online. I made a post asking if ATN could make a video like this one that pulsar did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k and it was removed. I posted the link a couple times in other threads when folks were asking about field of view and magnification and it was removed ASAP. Not sure why? It is a very good representation of the same FOV , magnification and resolution that the thor hd line should have. Then I found out the 1.25-5 units were shipped without the ARMS 17 mount and I expressed my dissatisfaction and posted a link to where they could be bought surplus off ebay for $24. POOF....I was gone. Never got a msg from a mod nor did they return any of my msgs asking what I did wrong. Its honestly a decent page and I enjoyed it and would like to be back on there to review my thor hd when it comes in (or trouble shoot it  ), but there are a couple mods that must have no life to be able to edit post as fast as they do.
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You've been around long enough to now there's more than one side to a story. There is higher volume on the ATN Smart HD page than there is here. I read it all hours of the day & night (advantage of being retired) and I have not seen what caver101 referred to as an issue or what another commenter here said about a small clique of fanbois being mean to critics. I've been very frank regarding my view of the ATN X-Sights. I am, like a lot of others, really curious to see what the ThOR HD units are going to be able to deliver. ATN has had some missteps on the very first ThOR units coming from the vendors rather than direct from ATN. I am not what that means yet. Most likely ... nothing. Quoted:
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TBooting your own customers has got to bad business or maybe they could care less... You've been around long enough to now there's more than one side to a story. There is higher volume on the ATN Smart HD page than there is here. I read it all hours of the day & night (advantage of being retired) and I have not seen what caver101 referred to as an issue or what another commenter here said about a small clique of fanbois being mean to critics. I've been very frank regarding my view of the ATN X-Sights. I am, like a lot of others, really curious to see what the ThOR HD units are going to be able to deliver. ATN has had some missteps on the very first ThOR units coming from the vendors rather than direct from ATN. I am not what that means yet. Most likely ... nothing. If you turn on notifications to post on that page you will see post disappear along with comments in threads. Did you see the post from the fellow from Ky Coyote Control of thermal kills with his Thor? Lasted about 30 minutes and he was doing nothing but singing the praises of the thor. Pretty sure the poster was booted as well. I had several post removed and was being nothing but helpful. Not sure why they do not want the pulsar video shown, its a good representation of what the thor hd should be capable of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k I never got any of the mods to return a msg. It must be exhausting being a mod over there
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If you turn on notifications to post on that page you will see post disappear along with comments in threads. Did you see the post from the fellow from Ky Coyote Control of thermal kills with his Thor? Lasted about 30 minutes and he was doing nothing but singing the praises of the thor. Pretty sure the poster was booted as well. I had several post removed and was being nothing but helpful. Not sure why they do not want the pulsar video shown, its a good representation of what the thor hd should be capable of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k I never got any of the mods to return a msg. It must be exhausting being a mod over there
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TBooting your own customers has got to bad business or maybe they could care less... You've been around long enough to now there's more than one side to a story. There is higher volume on the ATN Smart HD page than there is here. I read it all hours of the day & night (advantage of being retired) and I have not seen what caver101 referred to as an issue or what another commenter here said about a small clique of fanbois being mean to critics. I've been very frank regarding my view of the ATN X-Sights. I am, like a lot of others, really curious to see what the ThOR HD units are going to be able to deliver. ATN has had some missteps on the very first ThOR units coming from the vendors rather than direct from ATN. I am not what that means yet. Most likely ... nothing. If you turn on notifications to post on that page you will see post disappear along with comments in threads. Did you see the post from the fellow from Ky Coyote Control of thermal kills with his Thor? Lasted about 30 minutes and he was doing nothing but singing the praises of the thor. Pretty sure the poster was booted as well. I had several post removed and was being nothing but helpful. Not sure why they do not want the pulsar video shown, its a good representation of what the thor hd should be capable of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k I never got any of the mods to return a msg. It must be exhausting being a mod over there
If you got booted for that kind of nonsense I wouldn't last 6 hours. 
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Quoted: If you turn on notifications to post on that page you will see post disappear along with comments in threads. Did you see the post from the fellow from Ky Coyote Control of thermal kills with his Thor? Lasted about 30 minutes and he was doing nothing but singing the praises of the thor. Pretty sure the poster was booted as well. I had several post removed and was being nothing but helpful. Not sure why they do not want the pulsar video shown, its a good representation of what the thor hd should be capable of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k I never got any of the mods to return a msg. It must be exhausting being a mod over there Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: TBooting your own customers has got to bad business or maybe they could care less... You've been around long enough to now there's more than one side to a story. There is higher volume on the ATN Smart HD page than there is here. I read it all hours of the day & night (advantage of being retired) and I have not seen what caver101 referred to as an issue or what another commenter here said about a small clique of fanbois being mean to critics. I've been very frank regarding my view of the ATN X-Sights. I am, like a lot of others, really curious to see what the ThOR HD units are going to be able to deliver. ATN has had some missteps on the very first ThOR units coming from the vendors rather than direct from ATN. I am not what that means yet. Most likely ... nothing. If you turn on notifications to post on that page you will see post disappear along with comments in threads. Did you see the post from the fellow from Ky Coyote Control of thermal kills with his Thor? Lasted about 30 minutes and he was doing nothing but singing the praises of the thor. Pretty sure the poster was booted as well. I had several post removed and was being nothing but helpful. Not sure why they do not want the pulsar video shown, its a good representation of what the thor hd should be capable of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k I never got any of the mods to return a msg. It must be exhausting being a mod over there If Pulsar holds the copyright on the video, they can easily force it to be taken down anywhere they don't want it used. ETA: The KY Coyote Control video may fall under copyright violation but it may also have been considered a violation of "no advertising of a business" rule which is extremely common for FB closed groups. Facebook "closed groups" are TIGHTLY controlled by Facebook behind the scenes. I learned this recently when a local community FB group I belong to decide to, once again, allow liberal members of the group to campaign for liberal ballot initiatives on the page intended for bakes sales, lost pets and neighborhood watch information sharing. The mods of that group had allowed the same campaigning last fall which turned into a shit storm, resulted in the MASSIVE defeat of a liberal initiative and, as we only learned this spring, Facebook coming within a hair's breadth of permanently shutting down the group due to member complaints. Some lessons learned: 1) The liberal group had a video which they had put together to support their initiative. Only problem - anyone not watching it through rose colored glasses saw lots of problems and outright deceptions which were being promulgated. The conservatives who posted the copyrighted video to illustrate those points had it taken down just as soon as the liberals saw it being used against them. Two of the conservatives who used screen captures were BANNED from the group due to liberal complaints directly to Facebook - even though most courts would have argued that the screen caps fell under the 'fair use' provisions of the copyright law. 2) The complaints by the liberals were cited by Facebook to the moderators of the group as justification for the imminent shutting down of the Facebook group BY Facebook. The mods had to document that EVERY complaint to Facebook was from just one side of the argument which was LYING to Facebook moderators in their complaints. Anyone moderating ANY closed Facebook group is taking on a completely thankless job - ESPECIALLY if it relates to topics Facebook doesn't particularly LIKE. 3) If you want to use Facebook to advertise or promote a business - it's very simple. Contact Facebook and pay them a LOT of money. If you don't do that - they will STOMP on the video and on you if they feel like it. Advertising is how they make their money so it's fairly easy to understand their ZERO tolerance for any attempts to get what they see as a "freebie". |
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Quoted: Meh, that doesn't make any sense. The facebook page is NOT RUN BY ATN. Its a group of guys who kinda put it together themselves but I think they have ATN's blessing at least. I think it's a case of a minor miracle - the right guys at ATN realized they needed to "break the paradigm" if their plan for the Smart scopes was going to have a prayer of succeeding - so they formed an unofficial alliance which is paying off for them. |
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TBooting your own customers has got to bad business or maybe they could care less... You've been around long enough to now there's more than one side to a story. There is higher volume on the ATN Smart HD page than there is here. I read it all hours of the day & night (advantage of being retired) and I have not seen what caver101 referred to as an issue or what another commenter here said about a small clique of fanbois being mean to critics. I've been very frank regarding my view of the ATN X-Sights. I am, like a lot of others, really curious to see what the ThOR HD units are going to be able to deliver. ATN has had some missteps on the very first ThOR units coming from the vendors rather than direct from ATN. I am not what that means yet. Most likely ... nothing. If you turn on notifications to post on that page you will see post disappear along with comments in threads. Did you see the post from the fellow from Ky Coyote Control of thermal kills with his Thor? Lasted about 30 minutes and he was doing nothing but singing the praises of the thor. Pretty sure the poster was booted as well. I had several post removed and was being nothing but helpful. Not sure why they do not want the pulsar video shown, its a good representation of what the thor hd should be capable of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfsxhNcp9k I never got any of the mods to return a msg. It must be exhausting being a mod over there
If you got booted for that kind of nonsense I wouldn't last 6 hours.
excuses excuses. @Dino1130 
@caver101 - I read some of your comments and like others have said, there are always two sides to a story and I am sure the way it was presented on the forum was quite different than how you have presented here. I cant see your post so I dont know. Now the information you are requesting takes time. Doing comparison video is not something one can easily whip out. So give us time and they will be available. As for the FB group, yes they are very strict and any indication of someone promoting either their company or competitor's product will get you booted - @Dino1130 - make note :D. They want owners talking about the product and sharing their knowledge. Its a group to learn from not sell to - esp given how popular it is getting. I myself have reached out to the admins when i noticed some ATN's reseller selling ATN products there. It is NOT A MARKETPLACE. To others, who have said that the forum is run by ATN or ATN has some sort of alliance with them...Well that argument can be made about here as well ;) but lets just leave it at that. But we have no affiliation nor ATN runs that page. We do participate on the page though. One point that Caver101 is right about is the use of wrong image on the entry level ThOR 384 1.25x. Unfortunately that model does not come with an ARMS mount but the image we had on our site was wrong and we have reached out to all of our partners and are in the process of correcting that image. All other thermals, besides the $1999, come with a QRM. But my offer to you is that if you really need a QRM, contact me and i will send you a free one. It might not be arms, as we are having major issues getting anything from ARMs as they might be going out of business. |
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Since I don't do facebook, I can't see the reviews/mod issues/complaints/praise on that site. Does anyone else have any reviews on this? While I do want to get the real deal NVD stuff eventually, I have too many things going on with life, others rifles that need stuff and other things. Would rather have a gateway drug then spend $2-$3k going straight to the crack. Especially since I dont operate operationally, and will just use this scope to sit over fields looking for eyes at a range to be limited by a 300 blk.
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I got thrown off of the ATN owners forum.
Never been banned from any forum before. I own plenty of other ATN products that work well and stated that. Not so with the X sights. I guess they didn't like my posting of how ATN has kept me and others in the dark about fixing our semi useable scopes ? I've only had one out of four work, so I guess it's the luck of the draw ? |
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Quoted: Since I don't do facebook, I can't see the reviews/mod issues/complaints/praise on that site. Does anyone else have any reviews on this? While I do want to get the real deal NVD stuff eventually, I have too many things going on with life, others rifles that need stuff and other things. Would rather have a gateway drug then spend $2-$3k going straight to the crack. Especially since I dont operate operationally, and will just use this scope to sit over fields looking for eyes at a range to be limited by a 300 blk. Thanks all. As an aside, I'm always surprised at the "I don't do Facebook" outlook people take due to a wide variety of issues. Technically - I don't DO Facebook - my total Friend count is 36 - if you subtracted family and people I have known for 20+ years (i.e. BF - Before Facebook) my Friend count would be 3 The ATN Smart HD Facebook group is where you will see the greatest number of reviews, comments, and criticisms of these scopes. A little over a month ago the group passed 5,000 members. Last night, one of the mods pointed out it had just passed 5,900. I am pretty sure THIS night vision forum does not have 5,900 members. The next best source of videos from the ATN scopes would be YouTube - a few of those will be reviews. If you google for reviews, you'll find a number of the reliable gun sites have posted reviews - mostly of the Gen 1 but I expect the Gen II units to start appearing in the next month or so - the delay in reviews would be because this is an electronic sight with lots of hardware and software that had to be sorted out BEFORE the review sights could be shipped out. The single biggest "rave" feature of Gen II over Gen I ? The Recoil Activated Video - set it up for how long before and after the shot you want it to capture and you will have a HD video of every shot you take. On the Gen 1 front, the folks like me are eager for a new firmware update with new features but understand it's going to be a while before THAT'S ATN's priority over getting a new product release out and "flying under its own power". I can speculate that one person PROBABLY got banned from the group on this issue - since he felt a right to do more than one post DEMANDING ATN announce a firm release date and STATING their unwillingness to do so, despite a wide number of people who pointed out the reality of the situation, was more proof that ATN was just pushing out product with no concern for the end users. I own a Gen 1 3-12 X Sight I got for Christmas. I have had ONE "problem" - that turned out to be a Self Inflicted Wound - and took me about 5 minutes on the FB group researching to come up with the information to realize all I had to do was STOP what I was doing wrong. One last thought, these new generation of ATN scopes are ELECTRONIC sights which not only use digital technology but also have a freaking computer system built in which provides the features and integrates all of them. It represents a "step" change for gun owners. There is no guarantee this is going to be the next big thing - but at least give ATN credit for what they are attempting. After all ... is any other vendor out there working to push the cost of Thermal technology so far DOWN? |
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People are killing pigs with x sights every day. For the price, they are a pretty good deal. They work even better if you are hunting over bait. Get a 3x, maybe upgrade the IR but no need to do that right away. The one it comes with is half decent. Also, you dont need to buy the big ATN external power supply, any usb phone supply works if feel the need to use it. |
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Quoted: People are killing pigs with x sights every day.For the price, they are a pretty good deal. They work even better if you are hunting over bait. Get a 3x, maybe upgrade the IR but no need to do that right away. The one it comes with is half decent. Also, you dont need to buy the big ATN external power supply, any usb phone supply works if feel the need to use it. There are a lot of options on the external power supply. If I didn't already have a few to chose from, I would opt for smaller/lighter 10k mAh units I could switch out to keep the weight "on the gun" down. |
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Thank you everybody. I think it may be worth a look. It may get used at night 6-12 times a year, 20 if I'm lucky. Hope with gen 2 there's no luck of the draw.
Will examine needs for a different illuminator and battery supply once I've shook it down a bit. Would I love to have thermal or a nice gen 3 set up? Oh hell yes. Do I have $3-$6k to put on it? No, not for awhile anyways, and I would really rather put a lot of that towards ammo ammo and ammo, a Grendel upper/build, and maybe a few more actually will be used often day time optics. |
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Quoted: I've been considering the x-sight as well. From my understanding early on there were issues with the firmware which probably has been corrected by now. The firmware issues have been a non-issue for good while. I have had mine since Christmas and have not had a firmware issue. In no particular order, some of the most common problems are addressed by following tips handed out daily on the ATN Smart HD FB page - Tighten the battery cap down until you can't see the red seal ring (this is very tight) - Buy a good quality micro SD card - class 10 minimum - no more than 32 GB for Gen 1 or 64 Gb for Gen 2 - Check the firmware version, upgrade via SD card as needed, after the firmware upgrade note your zero coordinates (if you've already done the one shot zero) and do a factory reset to 'boot up' the firmware and then delete the firmware bin file from the SD card. - Do the "one shot zero" at base magnification of the scope. - If you have a Gen 1 unit, do the Butler Creek cap with 3/8" hole fix for daylight shooting - it dramatically improves depth of field - personal note: it also works at night if you have a T50 or better IR source. - Buy Kentli rechargeable batteries if you are not going to use an external battery pack as part of your normal shooting set up - YES, batteries MUST be in the scope if you are using an external battery pack - the scope will pop up a window asking you to confirm the external battery pack's use when you plug it in. - The Obsidian app has been upgraded and now works with Android tablets - unfortunately, like so many others have learned, getting an app upgrade approved by Apple takes about an extra month's worth of time - so the Android users can link via WiFi but I would absolutely recommend an external battery pack when using WiFi -> meeting WiFi specs on battery power is a too tall an order for the internal batteries - the "uptime" will be measured in minutes. |
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I've been considering the x-sight as well. From my understanding early on there were issues with the firmware which probably has been corrected by now. Are you talking about uncorrected issues with the Gen 1 scopes ? The left behind Gen 1 scope owners are still waiting for a firmware update to make their scopes useable ! I know for a fact that some Gen 2 scopes are having issues, especially blackouts when using the external battery pack and the scopes still don't do what ATN has claimed they can do. This is Deja' Vu all over again. Those "fixes" listed, were given to ATN from field testing done by Gen 1 BETA testers that ATN left hanging for a firmware fix. I give ATN credit for trying to fix the Gen 1 issues with new firmware versions( 5 to date), but when they came out with a Gen 2 scope and left the thousands of Gen 1 scope owners flat, you start to lose faith in a company. Hopefully the Gen 2 issues won't be as bad as the Gen 1 issues and they can be corrected before they leave thousand of others waiting for their fix ? |
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Quoted: Are you talking about uncorrected issues with the Gen 1 scopes ? The left behind Gen 1 scope owners are still waiting for a firmware update to make their scopes useable ! I know for a fact that some Gen 2 scopes are having issues, especially blackouts when using the external battery pack and the scopes still don't do what ATN has claimed they can do. This is Deja' Vu all over again. Those "fixes" listed, were given to ATN from field testing done by Gen 1 BETA testers that ATN left hanging for a firmware fix. I give ATN credit for trying to fix the Gen 1 issues with new firmware versions( 5 to date), but when they came out with a Gen 2 scope and left the thousands of Gen 1 scope owners flat, you start to lose faith in a company. Hopefully the Gen 2 issues won't be as bad as the Gen 1 issues and they can be corrected before they leave thousand of others waiting for their fix ? Quoted: Quoted: I've been considering the x-sight as well. From my understanding early on there were issues with the firmware which probably has been corrected by now. Are you talking about uncorrected issues with the Gen 1 scopes ? The left behind Gen 1 scope owners are still waiting for a firmware update to make their scopes useable ! I know for a fact that some Gen 2 scopes are having issues, especially blackouts when using the external battery pack and the scopes still don't do what ATN has claimed they can do. This is Deja' Vu all over again. Those "fixes" listed, were given to ATN from field testing done by Gen 1 BETA testers that ATN left hanging for a firmware fix. I give ATN credit for trying to fix the Gen 1 issues with new firmware versions( 5 to date), but when they came out with a Gen 2 scope and left the thousands of Gen 1 scope owners flat, you start to lose faith in a company. Hopefully the Gen 2 issues won't be as bad as the Gen 1 issues and they can be corrected before they leave thousand of others waiting for their fix ? Lovely rant - fact free ... but I'm guessing that doesn't bother you. What specific problems HAVEN'T been fixed in the firmware for the Gen 1 scopes? |
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I guess I found the ATN fan boi club president here.
Maybe your the one that banned me from the ATN owners forum for spelling it out to prospective buyers of the infamously defective X sight ? Go over to a certain hunting forum in Texas and read the three full topics about the X sight failures and get back to me. Go to the ATN owners forum and read about the glitches plaguing some of the Gen 2 scopes already. That's if the posters weren't banned like me. Satchal used to frequent the texas site, but it got to where even he couldn't take what was coming to him from the dissatisfied scope testers who were left holding their sack and a scope that ATN couldn't repair. Plus the fact that ATN kept stringing everyone along with a promised firmware fix until their warranty was over and they were stuck with their inoperable scopes. In the meantime, ATN came out with a Gen 2 scope and all is to be forgotten ? My fourth Gen 1 (1-3x and 3-5x )scope works only after I take a still pic in NV mode. It also flares out when using it anywhere but in a open field conditions. And don't give me the " try this" to fix it speil, I contributed to writing the book on fixing/improving the X sight. At least My scope works, others aren't as lucky and ATN knows it. Keep drinking the kool aid and maybe they'll give you a hat for your troubles. This isn't a rant, it's a warning ! |
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Quoted: I guess I found the ATN fan boi club president here. Maybe your the one that banned me from the ATN owners forum for spelling it out to prospective buyers of the infamously defective X sight ? Go over to a certain hunting forum in Texas and read the three full topics about the X sight failures and get back to me. Go to the ATN owners forum and read about the glitches plaguing some of the Gen 2 scopes already. That's if the posters weren't banned like me. Satchal used to frequent the texas site, but it got to where even he couldn't take what was coming to him from the dissatisfied scope testers who were left holding their sack and a scope that ATN couldn't repair. Plus the fact that ATN kept stringing everyone along with a promised firmware fix until their warranty was over and they were stuck with their inoperable scopes. In the meantime, ATN came out with a Gen 2 scope and all is to be forgotten ? My fourth Gen 1 (1-3x and 3-5x )scope works only after I take a still pic in NV mode. It also flares out when using it anywhere but in a open field conditions. And don't give me the " try this" to fix it speil, I contributed to writing the book on fixing/improving the X sight. At least My scope works, others aren't as lucky and ATN knows it. Keep drinking the kool aid and maybe they'll give you a hat for your troubles. This isn't a rant, it's a warning ! Well, since I am not a mod - just a relatively recent member - no, it wasn't me who banned you. I've expanded on the "sleep mode issue" that BushmanLA raised on the Gen 2 and the "noise" at start up issue he mentioned is also occurring. I didn't mention the fellow with the ThOR 320 he purchased telling the fellow with the ThOR 384 HD that the image is sharper and clearer on the new scope than on what he has in hand. I figure the folks who want to learn and judge for themselves can go join the FB group and be polite. With over 5,900 members, it has now become the main content source on my FB page and I see polite people raising issues and getting answers at all hours of the day. I see owners answering questions for people who are thinking about buying every day - including being perfectly frank about what would normally be the #1 issue for a new user - these electric scopes EAT standard batteries like popcorn, so start with lithiums at a minimum with the Kentli's being the Go To choice. You were obviously one of the earliest adopters of the X-Sight when it cam out and you got burned by the problems ATN had. Sorry, I can't undo that misfortune. You are, however, taking that experience and painting it as what anyone who buys one of these scopes today will experience ... and that's just not true. |
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I got thrown off of the ATN owners forum. Never been banned from any forum before. I own plenty of other ATN products that work well and stated that. Not so with the X sights. I guess they didn't like my posting of how ATN has kept me and others in the dark about fixing our semi useable scopes ? I've only had one out of four work, so I guess it's the luck of the draw ?
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