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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - NightGoggles (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/30/2015 7:14:10 AM EDT
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NightGoggles, TNVC's sister company, has gone live this week with some new gear, will be looking forward to some reviews on new kits that I know little to nothing about, like the Pulsar thermals and digital NV stuff.....
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We are pleased to announce NightGoggles, Inc. (NGI); the sister entity to Tactical Night Vision Company (TNVC INC). NightGoggles is dedicated to bringing the unique first-hand knowledge, experience and service enjoyed for years by the professional tactical community, to the burgeoning hunting market. NightGoggles exists to outfit the consumer who wants the best night vision gear their budget can afford. Like you, our staff has a passion for hunting, be it hogs, predators, or even gators. We are prepared to answer all of your nighttime hunting questions and ensure you end up with a product that balances budget and performance. Like our sister company TNVC, we realize that you are looking for a shopping experience tailored to your mission. We present you with a plethora of hand-picked night vision and thermal optics, as well as pertinent accessories. Recognizing that not every night vision end-user is looking for the most expensive military-issue devices, we supply field-proven gear at a budget-minded price. Our customers know that they are getting a solid product that will provide years of faithful service. We won’t sell something that we would not purchase ourselves for our own hunts. NGI Customers will find a unique offering of products, exclusive to our website. These include some more-affordable variants of popular TNVC products as well as exclusive gear. You will find some familiar night vision systems with a twist: utilization of high quality Gen2 and Gen2+ image intensifier tubes. These solid tubes provide great clarity and target identification capability for a fraction of the Gen3 price. What’s more: many of these systems will be housed in the exact same bodies as their government-issue counterparts. If you are looking for MILSPEC quality at a consumer price: NGI is your huckleberry. Thanks for checking out the launch of NightGoggles Inc. Make sure to stop back often as we will be continually adding new products to our exciting lineup. On behalf of our entire staff and myself: thank you for your continued support. Stay safe and happy hunting! Victor Di Cosola NightGoggles.com |
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$2175 for a gen2 pvs14? Yep for a full up Photonis.... And $1950 for a Comspec PVS-14 Gen2... I guess I'm surprised, since the site was touted up as being a budget solution. The prices don't seem to reflect this, no offense. |
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$2175 for a gen2 pvs14? Yep for a full up Photonis.... And $1950 for a Comspec PVS-14 Gen2... I guess I'm surprised, since the site was touted up as being a budget solution. The prices don't seem to reflect this, no offense. So a solution for for a new Gen 2_ PVS-14 with a great tube, warranty is a budget solution in our eyes and in many other eyes who have looked at these units. This is a full up 14 and not an import unit that can be used with all the Mil Spec mounts.
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So a solution for for a new Gen 2_ PVS-14 with a great tube, warranty is a budget solution in our eyes and in many other eyes who have looked at these units. This is a full up 14 and not an import unit that can be used with all the Mil Spec mounts. Quoted:
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$2175 for a gen2 pvs14? Yep for a full up Photonis.... And $1950 for a Comspec PVS-14 Gen2... I guess I'm surprised, since the site was touted up as being a budget solution. The prices don't seem to reflect this, no offense. So a solution for for a new Gen 2_ PVS-14 with a great tube, warranty is a budget solution in our eyes and in many other eyes who have looked at these units. This is a full up 14 and not an import unit that can be used with all the Mil Spec mounts. I guess we will agree to disagree. Best of luck to you!
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Do the gen2+ tubes include spec sheets?
I think the 2K price point is fair assuming the performance is on par with my Photonis Supergens. They are really great performing tubes, definitely worth saving $1200 versus the L3 omni VIII pvs14, at least for people that will use them casually, and for budget minded folks, the warranty will trump a $1750 Equipment exchange used/out of warranty device. The sentinel seems like an affordable bino set also, but it would make sense to utilize the MOD-3 housing as it gives more options for budget minded consumers IMO. |
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I don't have a problem with the prices but i honestly expected a little higher spec tubes. Resolution - 30, SNR - 12 doesn't seem like that great of a deal when you can snag a blem from tnvc for ~$600 more that would crush these. Just my opinion.
Victor, any chance of clip ons with a photonis tube in the future? Edit: Might have jumped to conclusions a little too quickly, the comspec tube is listed as 24:1 SNR. Maybe that's a typo? |
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Do the gen2+ tubes include spec sheets? I think the 2K price point is fair assuming the performance is on par with my Photonis Supergens. They are really great performing tubes, definitely worth saving $1200 versus the L3 omni VIII pvs14, at least for people that will use them casually, and for budget minded folks, the warranty will trump a $1750 Equipment exchange used/out of warranty device. The sentinel seems like an affordable bino set also, but it would make sense to utilize the MOD-3 housing as it gives more options for budget minded consumers IMO. Yes spec sheet included. As for Bino's there are many possibilities.... 
The site will continue to evolve....  Thanks guys.
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. I think you're confusing the red visible unit with the IR unit. No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK |
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I don't have a problem with the prices but i honestly expected a little higher spec tubes. Resolution - 30, SNR - 12 doesn't seem like that great of a deal when you can snag a blem from tnvc for ~$600 more that would crush these. Just my opinion. Victor, any chance of clip ons with a photonis tube in the future? Edit: Might have jumped to conclusions a little too quickly, the comspec tube is listed as 24:1 SNR. Maybe that's a typo? It must be indeed a typo, the specs of the tubes on the site are all over. Some are thin filmed Gen2+ even 
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No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK Quoted:
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. I think you're confusing the red visible unit with the IR unit. No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK Correct. I have bought two of them from that amazon link, they are most certainly IR, and they work quite well. Bought the first one I have for $153. |
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No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK Quoted:
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. I think you're confusing the red visible unit with the IR unit. No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK Right you are, sir. I was pricing out the complete rifle kits on Amazon. |
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, we are bound by LaserMax's MAP pricing. We choose to adhere to it, although others are violating. |
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I guess I'm surprised, since the site was touted up as being a budget solution. The prices don't seem to reflect this, no offense. Quoted:
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$2175 for a gen2 pvs14? Yep for a full up Photonis.... And $1950 for a Comspec PVS-14 Gen2... I guess I'm surprised, since the site was touted up as being a budget solution. The prices don't seem to reflect this, no offense. Thanks for looking at the offerings, and also for the constructive criticism. We value that input, as it will help us better connect with you guys. What in your idea would be the ideal pricing on a budget Gen 2 Photonis system? Maybe not even a Photonis system, just a high spec'd gen 2 in general. Seriously, because we may be able to get our hands on some other gen 2 variants of tubes, and if we can make it fit in your budget, it may be worthwhile to others as well. |
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Do the gen2+ tubes include spec sheets? I think the 2K price point is fair assuming the performance is on par with my Photonis Supergens. They are really great performing tubes, definitely worth saving $1200 versus the L3 omni VIII pvs14, at least for people that will use them casually, and for budget minded folks, the warranty will trump a $1750 Equipment exchange used/out of warranty device. The sentinel seems like an affordable bino set also, but it would make sense to utilize the MOD-3 housing as it gives more options for budget minded consumers IMO. The gen 2 PLUS systems do. They include Photonis data sheets. The Comspecs do not. We are actually implementing the MOD-3 in a GEN 2 variant for night goggles. Studio photos are being taken as we speak. |
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I don't have a problem with the prices but i honestly expected a little higher spec tubes. Resolution - 30, SNR - 12 doesn't seem like that great of a deal when you can snag a blem from tnvc for ~$600 more that would crush these. Just my opinion. Victor, any chance of clip ons with a photonis tube in the future? Edit: Might have jumped to conclusions a little too quickly, the comspec tube is listed as 24:1 SNR. Maybe that's a typo? The 30 lp/mm is the bare minimum, and thats just what it displays on the data sheet. Havent seen any near that area. You can typically expect anywhere between 51-68. Indeed that SNR was a typo. Actually, a formatting error if you will. Typical is roughly 18 but have seen higher |
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No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK Quoted:
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. I think you're confusing the red visible unit with the IR unit. No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK We were told by LaserMax that that is not from them direct, and whomever it is, is violating MAP. They just started their MAP program this year. We are choosing to adhere to it. |
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I don't have a problem with the prices but i honestly expected a little higher spec tubes. Resolution - 30, SNR - 12 doesn't seem like that great of a deal when you can snag a blem from tnvc for ~$600 more that would crush these. Just my opinion. Victor, any chance of clip ons with a photonis tube in the future? Edit: Might have jumped to conclusions a little too quickly, the comspec tube is listed as 24:1 SNR. Maybe that's a typo? It must be indeed a typo, the specs of the tubes on the site are all over. Some are thin filmed Gen2+ even LOL, yeah definitely a typo.  More of a formatting error if you will. To come completely clean, what happened is we have a format for specs on tubes. Just like on the TNVC site, you will also see our description spec lists at the bottom of the page. I copy/pasted that format into each nv variant, and deleted all (or atleast I thought all) the stuff that didn't apply or wasn't accurate, while replacing it with the correct info. Some minor things were not caught.
I guess thats what happens at 4am, while you're on your 3rd RedBull. The screen just turns into the matrix. 
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The 30 lp/mm is the bare minimum, and thats just what it displays on the data sheet. Havent seen any near that area. You can typically expect anywhere between 51-68. Indeed that SNR was a typo. Actually, a formatting error if you will. Typical is roughly 18 but have seen higher Quoted:
The 30 lp/mm is the bare minimum, and thats just what it displays on the data sheet. Havent seen any near that area. You can typically expect anywhere between 51-68. Indeed that SNR was a typo. Actually, a formatting error if you will. Typical is roughly 18 but have seen higher Thanks for the reply. Those specs are more along the lines of what i anticipated at that price point. I would have gone this route if the option had been available when i built my 14 with a photonis tube. Quoted:
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Victor, any chance of clip ons with a photonis tube in the future? ^ What he said??? I know a couple people that would be interested in such a product. I plan to purchase one for the upcoming hunting season but have only found a couple gen 2+ options like the armasight Co-x or adams industries legionnaire in my price range. |
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Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, we are bound by LaserMax's MAP pricing. We choose to adhere to it, although others are violating. Quoted:
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, we are bound by LaserMax's MAP pricing. We choose to adhere to it, although others are violating. Huh. *Orders another one off of Amazon before the inevitable price increase *
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This is a good idea, LEO/Tactical needs don't always line up with night hunters needs. I gotta say it though, the name is lame. All I can think of is beer goggles and ugly women at night etc. :D Also, when is the PVS14 Go/Pro going to be ready darnit?! YES I NEED the go pro for my Sentinels Vic. I'm missing Sooooo much footage Imcould be getting. At least let me help beta test one!
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We were told by LaserMax that that is not from them direct, and whomever it is, is violating MAP. They just started their MAP program this year. We are choosing to adhere to it. Quoted:
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Yeah, some of the prices are off - $250 for a lasermax uni ir? Hell, you can buy those direct from Lasermax on Amazon for $165, and they're eligible for Prime shipping. I think you're confusing the red visible unit with the IR unit. No, he is not. Here is the UNI-Max IR direct from Lasermax via Amazon for $163.82, with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Lasermax-LMS-UNI-IR-LaserMax-UNI-Max-Class/dp/B005FSRDJI JPK We were told by LaserMax that that is not from them direct, and whomever it is, is violating MAP. They just started their MAP program this year. We are choosing to adhere to it. "Ships from and sold by Amazon.com" Amazon is the seller. Good luck getting them to adhere to anything. but then again, they are only a few dollars off every other seller on amazon and ebay. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I remember the previous thread mentioned Gen 2 export options would be available on launch, however just quickly flipping through the site I don't see any mention of that right now. Is there any ETA on when I can give you guys monies? We are still working on it. Sourcing exportable body housings is quite the struggle, when looking for them in any decent quantity with lead times that are acceptable. |
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I gotta say it though, the name is lame. All I can think of is beer goggles and ugly women at night etc. :D Also, when is the PVS14 Go/Pro going to be ready darnit?! What's in a name? That which we call a NOD by any other name would smell as sweet. -William Shakespeare |
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I'm curious as to how much difference there is between Comspec and Gen2+. I know there's a performance gap between Gen 2 and Gen 3, but isn't Gen 2+ supposed to be closer?
Also, aren't WP Gen 2+ supposed to be available at some point? How do those compare in the scheme of things? I'd like to get an affordable bino, but I have a very nice TNV-14 and I'd be hard-pressed to buy Gen2 because of it. To add, I like "combat worthwhile" equipment (I don't hog hunt) and NG is being touted as "for people who don't need combat grade NODs". |
| I recently bought a PVS14 Comspec from Night goggles. Was delivered monday and wont be able to fully use it until this weekend. I do not have any experience with NV but I have been a lurker on this thread for quite some time. I was originally thinking of getting the TNVC PVS 14 but 3000 was out of my budget and buying a used one wasn't an option. I only plan to use it for fishing/hunting at night so a Gen 3 milspec tube wasn't that big of a deal for me. So far using it in my backyard at night I am very pleased with my purchase. The lens is clear and after adjusting the gain everything becomes extremely clear. Once I get back from the lake this weekend I will make a short write up. |
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I'm curious as to how much difference there is between Comspec and Gen2+. I know there's a performance gap between Gen 2 and Gen 3, but isn't Gen 2+ supposed to be closer? Also, aren't WP Gen 2+ supposed to be available at some point? How do those compare in the scheme of things? I'd like to get an affordable bino, but I have a very nice TNV-14 and I'd be hard-pressed to buy Gen2 because of it. To add, I like "combat worthwhile" equipment (I don't hog hunt) and NG is being touted as "for people who don't need combat grade NODs". A tiny bit better performance out of the PLUS system, however, I don't really see a measurable difference. You get a data sheet with the PLUS system , and you do not get a data sheet with the ComSpec. To some people that matters. Yes, WP Gen 2+ units will be available in the near future. Those will be along the same lines of performance as the PLUS (photonis) systems. Really nice tubes. It's being touted as non-combat grade, because you aren't going to see anything GEN 2 on the battlefield currently, and that's for a reason. I also wouldn't recommend it to LE because of resolution and the legalities that may come into play. If you want an affordable bino, which affordable is a term that can be a bit subjective, what we currently offer on NightGoggles is a sentinel with gen 2+ tubes in them. MOD 3 systems with Gen 2 tubes will be available soon. If you like "combat worthwhile" and are having a tough time trying to decide whether to buy GEN 2 or GEN 3, TNVC may be the site you need to stick with. |
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It's being touted as non-combat grade, because you aren't going to see anything GEN 2 on the battlefield currently, and that's for a reason. I also wouldn't recommend it to LE because of resolution and the legalities that may come into play. Do you know how the Photonis tubes you have compare to Photonis' top of the line products like XR5? I'm guessing they are pretty much the same tubes minus autogating, just with slightly lesser specs, but still am interested how big the difference is or isn't. It's funny how the price for Photonis com-spec tubes are on your side of the pond  Not half the price, but not far from it either..
Edit: and thanks for clarifying the thin filmed etc things, I know what you're talking about with things turning into a matrix at 4am from caffeine induced hallucinations
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This is a good idea, LEO/Tactical needs don't always line up with night hunters needs. I gotta say it though, the name is lame. All I can think of is beer goggles and ugly women at night etc. :D Also, when is the PVS14 Go/Pro going to be ready darnit?! Also when is the gopro adapter ready?? |
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Do you know how the Photonis tubes you have compare to Photonis' top of the line products like XR5? I'm guessing they are pretty much the same tubes minus autogating, just with slightly lesser specs, but still am interested how big the difference is or isn't. It's funny how the price for Photonis com-spec tubes are on your side of the pond Not half the price, but not far from it either..
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It's being touted as non-combat grade, because you aren't going to see anything GEN 2 on the battlefield currently, and that's for a reason. I also wouldn't recommend it to LE because of resolution and the legalities that may come into play. Do you know how the Photonis tubes you have compare to Photonis' top of the line products like XR5? I'm guessing they are pretty much the same tubes minus autogating, just with slightly lesser specs, but still am interested how big the difference is or isn't. It's funny how the price for Photonis com-spec tubes are on your side of the pond Not half the price, but not far from it either..
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Quick question. The PVS-14 Gen2 Plus shows a warranty period of 1 year, while the PVS-14 Gen2 Comspec, PVS-7 Plus and PVS-7 Comspec show warranty periods of two years. Is this correct? All of the gen 2 systems currently on the site that NGI is manufacturing have a warranty of 2 years. The nv items from other companies like Night Optics, may vary. |
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