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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:28:24 PM EDT
| A guy locally has supposedly a PVS7 Gen 4, and eotech, an aimpoint etc. He is asking 3k for the package. Is a PVS7 G4 worth this? How do I tell if it if G4 and not G2 or something. Total noob looking for help. |
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It's probably not Gen4 as Gen4 doesn't exist, but that most likely means it's Gen3 filmless which is fine. A few genuine tubes are marked "Gen4" though and these were made by Litton. You'd have to take the tube out and look at it to see. In the case of PVS-7's, you can't tell if they are Gen2 or 3 (4...) without looking at the tube closely. You have to remove the front lens and hold it up close to your eye and view the reflection of a white light globe ( REMOVE BATTERIES FIRST! ). If you see two images, one blue, one white/yellow, It's a Gen3. If you see a single image surrounded by very light red images, it's a Gen2. Good luck :) BTW, you're not planning on using it with those other parts are you? David
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David and Dean are both usually spot on, but here is another thought even though I am far from being a PVS-7 expert...
There are four variants of the PVS-7...A, B, C, and D. What the seller is describing as "Gen4" might be the "4th" variant, i.e. a PVS-7D. If so, it should be a Gen3 ITT tube and bayonet-style [ITT] housing. Pics, pics, pics. |
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David and Dean are both usually spot on, but here is another thought even though I am far from being a PVS-7 expert... There are four variants of the PVS-7...A, B, C, and D. What the seller is describing as "Gen4" might be the "4th" variant, i.e. a PVS-7D. If so, it should be a Gen3 ITT tube and bayonet-style [ITT] housing. Pics, pics, pics. Good point. We will need pics to sort this one out. I want to make sure the OP is getting what he is paying for. |
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Link to photobucket. http://s226.photobucket.com/user/tsonda4570/library/NVG?sort=3&page=1 Did you buy them ? If you unscrew the front bell housing the good stuff lies underneath. The tube is what we need to see. A PVS-7 is so easy to swap tubes out they can have almost anything inside. Every time I buy one it is like Xmas. I never know what I am going to find tube wise. 
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Did you buy them ? If you unscrew the front bell housing the good stuff lies underneath. The tube is what we need to see. A PVS-7 is so easy to swap tubes out they can have almost anything inside. Every time I buy one it is like Xmas. I never know what I am going to find tube wise.
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Link to photobucket. http://s226.photobucket.com/user/tsonda4570/library/NVG?sort=3&page=1 Did you buy them ? If you unscrew the front bell housing the good stuff lies underneath. The tube is what we need to see. A PVS-7 is so easy to swap tubes out they can have almost anything inside. Every time I buy one it is like Xmas. I never know what I am going to find tube wise.
I know where I'm spending next Christmas. 
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Did you buy them ? If you unscrew the front bell housing the good stuff lies underneath. The tube is what we need to see. A PVS-7 is so easy to swap tubes out they can have almost anything inside. Every time I buy one it is like Xmas. I never know what I am going to find tube wise.
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Link to photobucket. http://s226.photobucket.com/user/tsonda4570/library/NVG?sort=3&page=1 Did you buy them ? If you unscrew the front bell housing the good stuff lies underneath. The tube is what we need to see. A PVS-7 is so easy to swap tubes out they can have almost anything inside. Every time I buy one it is like Xmas. I never know what I am going to find tube wise.
I have not bought them yet. These are the crappy photos he sent. Will ask for tube pictures. |
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Well he does not want to send me photos. Now he is trying to sedn them says it is a 7 Bravo. i am thinking GEN 2 and pass on the deal. It is probably gen 3. The MX-10130C tube is common but only Omni III performance. I highly doubt it has a filmless tube though. I am sure the seller has no idea. He heard Gen 4 somewhere and that sounded good to increase value. If the seller refuses to give tube pics, which is fine because many are uncomfortable with taking a NV scope apart I always want an inspection period. If they refuse I move along. No hard feelings.
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Added a pic he sent to the link above, he was not comfortable taking it apart and seems very reluctant to let me do so. In the new photo he already took the tube out ! It is the round cylinder thing to the right. Tell him to give you close up pics of the top and bottom of the tube. I can see the tube is already out of the scope in the pic. |
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http://s226.photobucket.com/user/tsonda4570/library/NVG?sort=3&page=1 Three more photos added. LOL!! I guess I was not clear. I did say the right but the tube is in the middle. They are real nice pics of the bell housing and objective lens though. A PVS-7 tube looks like this below. 
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Trying! It may be awhile before I get this settled fixing to have to do some more work. Your help is greatly appreciated. I'm here all week. No worries. 
I have pictures of the entire scope now. Tell him to photo the only part he has not and that is the tube. LMAO. I might gets pics of the eye cups next but so far the scope looks great ! 
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http://s226.photobucket.com/user/tsonda4570/library/NVG?sort=3&page=1
More photos added. Think this guy is not the most legit. edit. But but his buddy wants it real bad. LOL UNlness you guys ID this as a screaming deal I am walking. His aimpoints look suspect ? http://s226.photobucket.com/user/tsonda4570/library/NVG?sort=3&page=1 |
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It is a ITT tube and most likely milspec. Someone peeled the label off. I can't tell you if it is a MX-10130C or MX-10130D. I suspect it is a MX-10130D tube. Either way it is not Gen 4 (filmless). It is a Gen 3 tube that may be autogated. If it whines when powered up it is gated.
Value ? Scope alone is around $1200 bucks give or take.Here is a pic of what the tube looked like before the label was removed. 
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So he's selling PVS-7B, M68 CCO (CompM2 & M4), and a SureFire M961. The identifying markings on the tube have been ripped off.
It's all .mil used items, and you can't clearly trace it back to source of origin. The possible pedigree of this equipment is setting off my spider sense. I think walking would be the safest bet. If you want to proceed, get the Aimpoint serial numbers and call and see if they were shipped to .gov in their life. |
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Thanks, I felt like I did right. Again I appreciate everyone's input. Unless you're set-in-stone on getting a 7, this Omni VII PVS-14 just showed up on the EE for a very good price. I don't know why, but the mere mention of "Omni VII" gives me wood. |
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Unless you're set-in-stone on getting a 7, this Omni VII PVS-14 just showed up on the EE for a very good price. I don't know why, but the mere mention of "Omni VII" gives me wood. Quoted:
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Thanks, I felt like I did right. Again I appreciate everyone's input. Unless you're set-in-stone on getting a 7, this Omni VII PVS-14 just showed up on the EE for a very good price. I don't know why, but the mere mention of "Omni VII" gives me wood. Omni IV gets me even more wood in the ITT circles..... 
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Thanks, I felt like I did right. Again I appreciate everyone's input. Unless you're set-in-stone on getting a 7, this Omni VII PVS-14 just showed up on the EE for a very good price. I don't know why, but the mere mention of "Omni VII" gives me wood. Omni IV gets me even more wood in the ITT circles..... Are those the tough "Ultra" tubes Dino was talking about? |
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Thanks, I felt like I did right. Again I appreciate everyone's input. Unless you're set-in-stone on getting a 7, this Omni VII PVS-14 just showed up on the EE for a very good price. I don't know why, but the mere mention of "Omni VII" gives me wood. Omni IV gets me even more wood in the ITT circles..... Are those the tough "Ultra" tubes Dino was talking about? Yes, Vic loves them too.
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Yes, Vic loves them too.
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Thanks, I felt like I did right. Again I appreciate everyone's input. Unless you're set-in-stone on getting a 7, this Omni VII PVS-14 just showed up on the EE for a very good price. I don't know why, but the mere mention of "Omni VII" gives me wood. Omni IV gets me even more wood in the ITT circles..... Are those the tough "Ultra" tubes Dino was talking about? Yes, Vic loves them too.
Wow! So Vic, Dino and MM all love Omni IV. Guess I know what to get next. Someone IM me with watchugot. 
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Wow! So Vic, Dino and MM all love Omni IV. Guess I know what to get next. Someone IM me with watchugot. They are like the Chevy 350 of the NV world. Not stunning performance but very good. They are tough and last a long time if you take care of it. They can take a beating and keep chugging along. Real good weapons scope tube. Even good as a pocket viewer. It is not going to outperform Omni VII autogated but was made as an aviation tube and they are good tubes. Anytime a company had made the same tube for over 12 years that is a clue. People still buy them for a reason. Not gated, not even thin filmed, just a nice tough performer with no bells and whistles.
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Dino, what is a typical SNR for a blem free OMNI IV? I suspect that sheeted 27.4 is pretty good for that vintage? Min spec for a milspec Omni IV 10160A was 21 S/N but everyone knew they performed well above that. I would say average was 24 to 25 S/N. 27.4 would be a very high performer in its class ! |
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