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Posted: 12/17/2013 7:02:44 PM EDT
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price?
I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." |
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Here's the thing, "what warfighters use" is not real practical for hunting. When we used PEQ-15's, we used the laser on the low setting for engaging targets. Hi is mainly just used for marking targets and other tasks besides shooting. Class one lasers are really more useful than restricted lasers for shooting as they wont bloom as bad. What is an advantage on the 5mW units is the illuminator. Unless you are hunting with overhead air support from AH-64's, a class1 laser is plenty stout. |
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? For a C1, 400-450 is really pushing it. The big advantage with CIII lasers is the availability of more options. That's about as simplistic as I can make it out to be. They're just better lasers. Get your hands on one if you can. If you can't, stick with the OTAL/ITAL. They will be adequate for your purposes, though I prefer to have more options. It's personal. Once you go PEQ, you never go back. |
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Weak is better. I have no use for full power laser unless I am painting targets for GBUs. |
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Weak is better. I have no use for full power laser unless I am painting targets for GBUs. Interdasting. I can always purchase higher output unit if it sucks. 
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Weak is better. I have no use for full power laser unless I am painting targets for GBUs. How were you able to paint targets for GBU's with PEQ type weapons lasers? Those things need some type of encoded pulse lasers such as the AVQ or AAQ target designators. |
Actually the 0.7mW IR laser is actually too strong for hunting, but putting a neutral density filter onto it will lower it down to about 0.1mW which is just perfect for pin-point accuracy.
If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya.... 
If you want to see a precise dot on your 300 pound sow's ear at 175 yards and pull the trigger and she drops in her tracks, get a Class 1 Civilian legal laser and put a neutral density filter on it. 
DBAL-I2 0.7mW IR laser @ 150 yards DRT: 
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Quoted: If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya.... Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? |
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Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? Quoted:
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If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya....
Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! 
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Quoted: You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! I got to play with the full powered ones a lot at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.These guys were all taken between 3-450m    |
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I get to play with the full powered ones at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.
These guys were all taken between 3-450m http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/p4040001p.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/16lie5i.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/121v8mw.jpg Quoted:
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You got my drift! I get to play with the full powered ones at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.
These guys were all taken between 3-450m http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/p4040001p.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/16lie5i.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/121v8mw.jpg During the day? It looks like these are daytime shots? |
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Quoted: I get to play with the full powered ones at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.Quoted: Quoted: You got my drift! I get to play with the full powered ones at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.These guys were all taken between 3-450m |
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These guys were all taken between 3-450m http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/p4040001p.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/16lie5i.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/121v8mw.jpg thats my dog bro!!??!?! Quoted:
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You got my drift! I get to play with the full powered ones at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.These guys were all taken between 3-450m http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/p4040001p.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/16lie5i.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/121v8mw.jpg thats my dog bro!!??!?! LOL
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You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! Quoted:
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If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya....
Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! My PEQ was legally purchased from a police trade in, so what are you implying here? Haters gonna' hate I guess. |
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How were you able to paint targets for GBU's with PEQ type weapons lasers? Those things need some type of encoded pulse lasers such as the AVQ or AAQ target designators. Quoted:
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Weak is better. I have no use for full power laser unless I am painting targets for GBUs. How were you able to paint targets for GBU's with PEQ type weapons lasers? Those things need some type of encoded pulse lasers such as the AVQ or AAQ target designators. Maybe he thought he was while the JTAC or FO used the real designator??? 
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I got to play with the full powered ones a lot at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.
These guys were all taken between 3-450m http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/p4040001p.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/16lie5i.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/121v8mw.jpg Quoted:
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You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! I got to play with the full powered ones a lot at work. When I go greater than 300m, I am normally using a pretty bright laser illuminator which gets rid of most of the splash for the full powered laser.
These guys were all taken between 3-450m http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/p4040001p.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/16lie5i.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/121v8mw.jpg Bingo. That's the beauty of running the illuminator & the laser, you can see the laser AND the target, instead of just the laser. |
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My PEQ was legally purchased from a police trade in, so what are you implying here? Haters gonna' hate I guess. Quoted:
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If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya....
Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! My PEQ was legally purchased from a police trade in, so what are you implying here? Haters gonna' hate I guess. I certainly am not implying that I hate you because you own a PEQ? What is up with that? |
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How were you able to paint targets for GBU's with PEQ type weapons lasers? Those things need some type of encoded pulse lasers such as the AVQ or AAQ target designators. Quoted:
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Weak is better. I have no use for full power laser unless I am painting targets for GBUs. How were you able to paint targets for GBU's with PEQ type weapons lasers? Those things need some type of encoded pulse lasers such as the AVQ or AAQ target designators. Dok! That explains why they kept missing the targets! |
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I certainly am not implying that I hate you because you own a PEQ? What is up with that? Quoted:
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If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya....
Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! My PEQ was legally purchased from a police trade in, so what are you implying here? Haters gonna' hate I guess. I certainly am not implying that I hate you because you own a PEQ? What is up with that? I hate him 
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I certainly am not implying that I hate you because you own a PEQ? What is up with that? Quoted:
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If you really enjoy super bright large blooming IR lasers that cover three 300 pound sows at 100 yards and pulling the trigger and listening to the muzzle blast and walking out to where you missed your sow is cool, more power to ya....
Your class-1 laser blooms so much it covers 3 300lbs pigs at 100 yards? Hyperbole I assume? You got my drift, but I was implying the 5mW IR illegal military lasers! My PEQ was legally purchased from a police trade in, so what are you implying here? Haters gonna' hate I guess. I certainly am not implying that I hate you because you own a PEQ? What is up with that? Oh come now, it's not that difficult to understand. I'll try it again. HIGH POWER IR LASER haters gonna' hate. Your dislike for high power IR lasers is a common theme in this forum, and that's fine, we all have our opinions. But when your hate for them reaches the level that you're going to toss out statements such as "illegal military lasers", knowing damn well that there people in this forum who legally possess them, shit gets real, and it gets personal. Who needs Agent Wu to troll these forums, when there's people like you making unfounded accusations of illegal behavior or possession of stolen property. (And yes, that's what it was regardless of how thinly veiled you presented it.) If you want to paint a group or class of people with a broad brush and accuse them of being involved in illegal activities, do in in General Discussion so that it can rightly end up in the pit where it belongs. |
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Dual High is awesome for everything. dual high is great.... and for those that don't have experience with the high power shit, there is a filter in the standard kit so when dual high is on, the filter dims the high laser which reduces bloom. so effectively is high illuminator and a precise dot. fyi, doesn't cover critters entire bodies
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Oh come now, it's not that difficult to understand. I'll try it again. HIGH POWER IR LASER haters gonna' hate. Your dislike for high power IR lasers is a common theme in this forum, and that's fine, we all have our opinions. But when your hate for them reaches the level that you're going to toss out statements such as "illegal military lasers", knowing damn well that there people in this forum who legally possess them, shit gets real, and it gets personal. Who needs Agent Wu to troll these forums, when there's people like you making unfounded accusations of illegal behavior or possession of stolen property. (And yes, that's what it was regardless of how thinly veiled you presented it.) If you want to paint a group or class of people with a broad brush and accuse them of being involved in illegal activities, do in in General Discussion so that it can rightly end up in the pit where it belongs. Since I deal with blind people, I'll let it slide..... 
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Here's the thing, "what warfighters use" is not real practical for hunting. When we used PEQ-15's, we used the laser on the low setting for engaging targets. Hi is mainly just used for marking targets and other tasks besides shooting. Class one lasers are really more useful than restricted lasers for shooting as they wont bloom as bad. What is an advantage on the 5mW units is the illuminator. Unless you are hunting with overhead air support from AH-64's, a class1 laser is plenty stout. Quoted:
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The info on the TNVC web page clearly states that it's not as powerful as what "war fighters" use... Is it worth the price? I'm not war fighting but might use it on coyotes and hogs... What's the consensus? Here's what TNVC says about it: "While this is a lower output than the standard 5mW+ IR lasers used by Warfighters and LE Professionals, it is perfectly adequate for targeting at ranges out to 400-450 yards. This encompasses most ranges at which users will engage targets during night shooting and training." Here's the thing, "what warfighters use" is not real practical for hunting. When we used PEQ-15's, we used the laser on the low setting for engaging targets. Hi is mainly just used for marking targets and other tasks besides shooting. Class one lasers are really more useful than restricted lasers for shooting as they wont bloom as bad. What is an advantage on the 5mW units is the illuminator. Unless you are hunting with overhead air support from AH-64's, a class1 laser is plenty stout. Of course we know that, what is it your trying to say? In fact as you read more around here even the .7mW is too strong for close in work for hunting. (But will NOT damage a tube as one dealer in particular said on another forum who made some outlandish claims...We see that a lot over there.  )
That is the PRIMARY reason we worked with LDI to get the LOW feature working on the DBAL I2, down to .2mW. In fact, we begged LDI for YEARS to get a Class 1 even legalized, we knew years ago high power lasers were great for Lum, but not too keen for close in targeting. Funny part was, LDI was so caught off guard on the initial demand for the Class 1, it took them 4 months to catch up on our initial Class 1 orders three years ago at Shot. Hope this helps Vic |
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Dual High is awesome for everything. With the exception of aiming a weapon. What about the explanation of how the illuminator mitigates the splash of the laser and makes it so you can see your target AND the laser? |
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It is good that Class 1 IR lasers are readily available to law abiding US citizens, and the effective range is consistent with PTI through a 1x mag Gen3 device in my experience.. The higher output devices also have appropriate applications, but it ain't hog or yote hunting at ~200m max.
My understanding is that come 2014, incandescent lightbulbs as low as 40W will be prohibited...... and we are debating IR lasers? |
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