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Posted: 10/23/2013 3:56:29 PM EDT
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Is the filmless tube model on the web sight...I know they sell them but for some reason I am not finding it.
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Is the film-less model on the web sight...for some reason I am not finding it. All I can tell you is to buy with confidence. They are really great. And yes, the TNVC ITT Pinnacle is on there. ETA: Maybe the ITT is thin film, and not what you're looking for. If so, give them a call, they will be happy to answer all your questions. |
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Is the filmless tube model on the web sight...I know they sell them but for some reason I am not finding it. I don't see it but that is not to say they don't have it. I have bought a filmless tube from them. I am sure they could get them but they are kind of pricey. Best bet would be to call and ask them if they have any in stock. I am sure it is something that could be ordered if not. |
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Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. |
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That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Quoted:
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Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Part of an old story I am sure you have seen. Many people thought this including me for a time. Marketing is a wonderful thing and ITT is good at it. Some things I think have some truth but it is artfully worded when you really analyze the entire story. Filmless got the "fragile" moniker and I was as guilty as others. I like my filmless tube, I just don't see a huge improvement over filmed to justify the cost. I tend to prefer filmed tubes but not because of life span or durability, just personal preference. "As a result of these technological advances, ITT convinced the Army to swap the still unproven Gen 4 filmless tubes for the Pinnacle as part of Omni V, provided the manufacturer guaranteed the Pinnacle's enhanced performance and sustainability. In making its case, ITT pointed out that the life cycle cost of the Gen 4 filmless tube was seven times higher than that of the Pinnacle. But by opting for the Pinnacle over the filmless tube, the Army would save $29 million and $21 million in operation and sustainment costs for aviator and ground forces goggles, respectively. The Pinnacle, it seemed, was a better deal." |
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That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Quoted:
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Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Just for the record, I thought that because of what many on here, including TNVC and most of our resident experts, this was way back when they first came out, and it was about the ITT tubes, and ATN was advertising them as GEN4. Dont make me take screen shots to prove it 
I understand what you are saying though...thanks for the info |
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Just for the record, I thought that because of what many on here, including TNVC and most of our resident experts, this was way back when they first came out, and it was about the ITT tubes, and ATN was advertising them as GEN4. Dont make me take screen shots to prove it
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Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Just for the record, I thought that because of what many on here, including TNVC and most of our resident experts, this was way back when they first came out, and it was about the ITT tubes, and ATN was advertising them as GEN4. Dont make me take screen shots to prove it
I understand what you are saying though...thanks for the info I was trying to fall on the sword for you...  Was the victim of incorrect information like many others...
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Both ITT and Litton (now L-3) jumped on the "Gen IV" marketing bandwagon before NVL (now NVESD) put a stop to it. (The Army gets to set the nomenclature, not the vendors)
I built up an AN/AVS-9 with some of Litton's MX-10160B unfilmed tubes 10 years ago. Probably the nicest tubes I've ever flown with, 30+ SNR and halos that were well under .7 mm. |
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Both ITT and Litton (now L-3) jumped on the "Gen IV" marketing bandwagon before NVL (now NVESD) put a stop to it. (The Army gets to set the nomenclature, not the vendors) I built up an AN/AVS-9 with some of Litton's MX-10160B unfilmed tubes 10 years ago. Probably the nicest tubes I've ever flown with, 30+ SNR and halos that were well under .7 mm. Wow, now those sound nice! |
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That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Quoted:
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Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. So I am to understand that L3 filmless tubes have a lifespan comparable to their more modern filmed offerings? What sort of S/N range is typical of the L3 filmless? |
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Quoted: So I am to understand that L3 filmless tubes have a lifespan comparable to their more modern filmed offerings? What sort of S/N range is typical of the L3 filmless? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. So I am to understand that L3 filmless tubes have a lifespan comparable to their more modern filmed offerings? What sort of S/N range is typical of the L3 filmless? Typical? Somewhere between 21 and 33 is typical... Regards David
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Sorry guys, just saw the thread. Yes we have L3 filmless from time to time, just not on our web site. Clasky is a very busy guy and those 2700+ other items on our web site keeps him on his toes. I know awhile back, we were back logged on normal Omni 8 L3 tubes in big numbers, so L3 asked us if we would like to have some filmless instead for the same price! Needless to say, we still called all our customers to insure it was ok, to substitute their ordered tube. There were some pretty happy folk in that bunch of calls. 
Give us a call and we can see what we have in stock at any given time. Sorry for the delay seeing this. Vic |
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I was trying to fall on the sword for you... Was the victim of incorrect information like many others...
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Thanks guys. Wanted to make sure I was not crazy. I know when filmless came out it really hurt the life, but I guess not the autogate helps take life back up to 10k hours. That is so factually wrong I don't know where to begin. L-3 has never had any serious issues with their filmless design in terms of lifetime. ITT on the other hand never successfully made one that lasted more than a few hundred hours. Lifetime is all about the exhaust and scrub process, which for obvious reasons the vendors keep proprietary. Whether a tube has an auto-gated power supply or a DC power supply has no measurable effect on measured lifetime. Just for the record, I thought that because of what many on here, including TNVC and most of our resident experts, this was way back when they first came out, and it was about the ITT tubes, and ATN was advertising them as GEN4. Dont make me take screen shots to prove it
I understand what you are saying though...thanks for the info I was trying to fall on the sword for you... Was the victim of incorrect information like many others...
Thx Dino...I did notice that
Thx Vic, I will give you guys a ring when i am ready to pull the trigger. Thinking I might go filmless for my next tube...I will be interested to compare it to my pinnacle tube that beats omni 7 min specs. |
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