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Posted: 1/29/2012 4:47:27 PM EDT
| I am looking for a way to turn some of my daylight scopes into night vision and am not very educated on the subject. I own a lot of Red dot scopes (with NV settings) and 1-4x DMR style scopes. I also have a couple 10x larger scopes. I was hoping to buy one device that could turn as many of my guns into night time capable rifles as possible. Anyone have suggestions? |
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The BNS will allow you to do this.
BNS I'm not sure if it works with the red dots, but it'll work with the traditional scopes you have. |
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Clip On NV devices ( or as was said earlier BNS which is the same thing ) are suitable for day-optic zoom between 3x and 8x. For 1x such as with Reddot, you really want something to add on behind the scope in a shoot-through configuration - eg, AN/PVS-14. There's not really a one-solution-fits-all product, because the difference in magnification means some solutions are sub-optimal. But an AN/PVS-14 and the front-mounted clip-ons will address most configurations. Regards David
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Guys thanks for the replys I don't mind buying 2 NV scopes to cover my needs. The idea of them being usefull for any of my guns in .22lr, .223, 7.62x39, 9mm and 308 is what I am looking for. Are there any scopes like the BNS in the $2K range? My max is $2k each.... I know the PVS-14 is going to be a little more than that, but can't afford $10,000-12,000 in scopes.
How would these 2 do for my needs? PS-22 PVS-14 Optics planet model |
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Guys thanks for the replys I don't mind buying 2 NV scopes to cover my needs. The idea of them being usefull for any of my guns in .22lr, .223, 7.62x39, 9mm and 308 is what I am looking for. Are there any scopes like the BNS in the $2K range? My max is $2k each.... I know the PVS-14 is going to be a little more than that, but can't afford $10,000-12,000 in scopes. How would these 2 do for my needs? PS-22 PVS-14 Optics planet model Optics Planet is a ATN dealer. My thoughts on ATN are well known. The PS-22 or as I call it the POS-22 is unreliable at best. Some work and some won't hit the barn. Some guys fix them and have had good results. My issue is when spending that kind of money you should not have to fix anything. They all should work as advertised. Some don't and it is a coin toss to get one that does. The OPMOD PVS-14 would be fine if they would say what the tube specs are. They say guaranteed 64 lp/mm . Well, just about any tube built today can meet that spec and it is about the least important one as almost all are at least 64 lp/mm and many 72 or better. What you are getting with that scope is a grab bag tube. Might be decent or might not. My opinion is most likely not. Don't do mail order night vision. Deal with someone who you can call and get some specs. Call TNVC and ask them what spec scopes they have. They charge a little more for hand select but you get peace of mind and will know what you are getting before you shell out a dime. Just my .02 |
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Dino1130 you obviously know WAAAAAAY more than me. What do you suggest? Thanks, Mike I need to know your not to exceed budget and what type of hunting you do. What ranges do you expect and what type of rifles will you use. Many guys here are more schooled than me in what works best for hogs and such. I fix stuff and can tell you what breaks ! 
PVS-14 ? Call TNVC and speak to Chip or Vic or in all honesty anyone that answers the phone. They are all very knowledgeable and won't pressure you to buy anything. For a good 14 plan on a budget of $3000 to $3,800 for a top of the line model. The Night Enforcer sold by them is very attractive to many because it has a 5 year factory warranty. If you have the budget a PVS-22 (not the ATN PS-22 knockoff) is very good but expensive. A dedicated night vision rifle scope such as a D-740 works great and is cheaper. Guys here will help you but we need to know your budget, equipment and expectations first. 
I think trying to adapt night vision to all the platforms you are using is unrealistic. A IR laser mounted to some of your rifles will work great for up close. If you want to shoot out past 100m I suggest getting either a PVS-22 or a dedicated rifle scope on a dedicated rifle or upper. |
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Lets say my budget is $5-6K ($4000 would be perfect) and shooting ranges to 150 yards. I would like 2 scopes, one that works with 3-9x and 10x scopes on AR-15, AR-10's, bolt 308, 22 target gun etc and one to use with my RD scopes or helmet mounted. I probably won't hunt with them and it's just to have for my collection and SHTF type stuff. The most they would get used now is on a .22 in the back yard or AR-15 back home on my parents land in NY. I always buy quality when I decide to purchase something so I want to know these will hold up if I ever need them. Does that help narrowing down what I am looking for, and is it possible to find 2 NV in that price range?
I wanted to mention the reason that 150 yards is the range I used is that in CT it is hard to find a line of sight further than that. If I used the scope to investigate a bump in the night the furthest I can see from any point in my house is 100 yards, so 150-200yd is sufficent.. |
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Lets say my budget is $5-6K ($4000 would be perfect) and shooting ranges to 150 yards. I would like 2 scopes, one that works with 3-9x and 10x scopes on AR-15, AR-10's, bolt 308, 22 target gun etc and one to use with my RD scopes or helmet mounted. I probably won't hunt with them and it's just to have for my collection and SHTF type stuff. The most they would get used now is on a .22 in the back yard or AR-15 back home on my parents land in NY. I always buy quality when I decide to purchase something so I want to know these will hold up if I ever need them. Does that help narrowing down what I am looking for, and is it possible to find 2 NV in that price range? I wanted to mention the reason that 150 yards is the range I used is that in CT it is hard to find a line of sight further than that. If I used the scope to investigate a bump in the night the furthest I can see from any point in my house is 100 yards, so 150-200yd is sufficent.. Honestly, for what you want to do a PVS-14 behind a NV compatible RD sight along with a IR laser will work fine. Just don't use the 14 on your .308. Keep it to 5.56 or 6.8 SPC. You could put a IR laser on your .308 and use the 14 head mounted if you like. Tubes are recoil sensitive and unless you go with a dedicated NV rifle scope you need to be aware of that. Start with a nice PVS-14. With your budget you can get a really good one plus all the goodies to make it work good for you. Helmet, mounts, 3x and 5x lenses and the list is endless. Get you a 14 to start and reevaluate after you use it for awhile and see if you need more. A 14 is a must have for spotting and navigation. You can't put the cart before the horse with night vision. Get a 14 first. |
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Your asking a pretty tall order needing two weaponsights in that price range. I know of 2 clip on weaponsights coming out that will be in the 5k range. One from tnvc and one from another. Those will be the cheapest quality clip ons you will see on the market. The ps22 can be recollimated to be a good system. You just need to know someone that can do it for you. Out of the box you will most likely get a poi shift from your day optic.
Another option would be to dedicate 1 gun with a 740 or get 2 gen2 shp 845's. Most clip ons will run between 7-10k. I own both, and can tell you a dedicated scope has a better image. However, if wanting nv for multiple platforms clip ons can't be beat for versatility. |
| Thanks for the help. I thought about a dedicated scope for a .22 bolt gun, but (and this is going to sound stupid) living in CT I have no idea how I would sight in a gun with a dedicated NV scope. I can't take it to the range at 3am. After that the gun would sit forever waiting for a purpose. |
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Go for a monocular. It is much more flexible in use and you will get 100x as much use out of it. In fact, as a civilian, the vast majority of use will be using it around the house, hiking or star watching (there are 100x as many stars through NV). So you will get much more use out of it over a rifle scope. Get an IR laser and you can use in 'just in case'. Even when used in night hunting/shooting, you still need to walk around and navigate. A rifle scope is horrible for that.
Yes, a PVS-14 is the top NV monocular and a great place to start. But there are cheaper options as well. There are a ton of lower end gen 3 commercial night vision units. Keep an eye out on the EE Optics section. Used NV comes up time to time. In the mean time, do all the reading and researching you can. The better informed you are, they less chance of getting some junk. |
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