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Posted: 12/5/2010 3:18:11 PM EDT
What does autogated mean? I'm looking at the D-760 Gen 3 Pinnacle Autogated, but I dont know what that means. I suppose I should know before I slap $4,500 on my Amex.  I see on the FAQ that autogated reduces blooming, but I need someone to chime in and tell me what it means in English.
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What does autogated mean? I'm looking at the D-760 Gen 3 Pinnacle Autogated, but I dont know what that means. I suppose I should know before I slap $4,500 on my Amex. Take a look at the PVS-14 buying guide HERE.. Clasky does a great job explaining the autogated function Even though we're talking PVS-14's, the autogated power supply basically works the same. Hope this helps. 
Vic Edited, I <SNIPED> below. Another term you will see is "Autogated." When the power supply is "Auto-Gated," it means the system is turning itself on and off at a very rapid rate. This reduces blooming. In layman's terms, an autogated power supply helps protect the tube from damage when exposed to light. The gated power supply will regulate the amount of power supplied to the tube so that it does not become over-exerted when exposed to light. Non-gated tubes will continue to let in all the light they can gather while still getting full power from the battery. This will permanently damage or destroy the tube. Autogating doesn't give you the ability to walk around during the day with your PVS-14 on, but it will protect the unit from damage if you are exposed to headlights, explosions, someone flipping on the lights, etc. It will not shut the unit off. The only thing you will notice when the autogating "kicks in" is a slight dimming of the image. Autogated power supplies emit a faint whine. This should only be audible from a few feet away (if that). Not all Gen3 tubes are autogated. There are two image intensifier tube manufacturers in the US: ITT Technologies and L3 Communications (Litton). Current production Gen3 tubes are Autogated, but there are still surplus Gen3 non-gated tubes available. These are often purchased by shady manufactures and builders at reduced prices, inserted into body housings and sold at reduced prices to make an easy buck. So, do your research and exercise caution before spending your hard-earned money. |
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Cool, I just ordered the D760 with the torch combo!  Any arfcom discounts?  Also, the pictures on the website appear that the Gen 3 D-760 has a built in mount for a flat top, is that correct? Thanks! Thank you! The 760 does have it's own mount, but if you would like a true QD, R&D Precision did one exclusively with us HERE using a new STANAG and a LaRue LT100. We install it for free with every purchase of one of our scopes. Give us a call on Monday or someone will call ya for your special. 
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Quoted: That thing is cooool. Too bad it is not included in the deal. Quoted: Cool, I just ordered the D760 with the torch combo! Any arfcom discounts? Also, the pictures on the website appear that the Gen 3 D-760 has a built in mount for a flat top, is that correct? Thanks! Thank you! The 760 does have it's own mount, but if you would like a true QD, R&D Precision did one exclusively with us HERE using a new STANAG and a LaRue LT100. We install it for free with every purchase of one of our scopes. Give us a call on Monday or someone will call ya for your special. Vic |
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Not all Gen3 tubes are autogated. There are two image intensifier tube manufacturers in the US: ITT Technologies and L3 Communications (Litton). Current production Gen3 tubes are Autogated, but there are still surplus Gen3 non-gated tubes available. These are often purchased by shady manufactures and builders at reduced prices, inserted into body housings and sold at reduced prices to make an easy buck. So, do your research and exercise caution before spending your hard-earned money. That statement is misleading- there are plenty of brand new, full warranty, non-gated tubes from both manufacturers. While autogating power supplies are always supplied for .mil OMNI VII contracts they also produce non gated tubes as well with 64 lp, 25 S/N or higher for commerical and NATO country use- These tubes are great and while autogating is an important feature for urban use (read LE and .Mil use) the DC power supply tubes are perfectly fine for low light environments that hunters typically find themselves in. Are the non-gated tubes in the TNVC Select Alpha PVS-14 new factory tubes or from 'shady' manufacturers? Here is a pic of a couple brand new factory tubes- the picture is about 10 days old. Half are autogated, half have DC power supplies... 
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Not all Gen3 tubes are autogated. There are two image intensifier tube manufacturers in the US: ITT Technologies and L3 Communications (Litton). Current production Gen3 tubes are Autogated, but there are still surplus Gen3 non-gated tubes available. These are often purchased by shady manufactures and builders at reduced prices, inserted into body housings and sold at reduced prices to make an easy buck. So, do your research and exercise caution before spending your hard-earned money. That statement is misleading- there are plenty of brand new, full warranty, non-gated tubes from both manufacturers. While autogating power supplies are always supplied for .mil OMNI VII contracts they also produce non gated tubes as well with 64 lp, 25 S/N or higher for commerical and NATO country use- These tubes are great and while autogating is an important feature for urban use (read LE and .Mil use) the DC power supply tubes are perfectly fine for low light environments that hunters typically find themselves in. Are the non-gated tubes in the TNVC Select Alpha PVS-14 new factory tubes or from 'shady' manufacturers? Here is a pic of a couple brand new factory tubes- the picture is about 10 days old. Half are autogated, half have DC power supplies...
http://i54.tinypic.com/2dir791.jpg I believe the key word Karma is "often". He did not say always.... Many dealers do sell a PVS-14 with a cheaper non AG tube to make a quick buck on the uneducated buyer. I have examples if you need them. I don't think he is being misleading at all. He is merely pointing out that you need to exercise caution and know exactly what you are buying. Nothing wrong with non AG tubes at all. I agree with you on that. Problem is some sell these new production tubes with creative wording and many believe they are getting a AG tube. You're are certainly entitled to your opinion but I think he is telling people the truth. Many shady dealers do use cheaper tubes. I have no issue with it as long as it is disclosed in plain English as to what you are buying. 
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Not all Gen3 tubes are autogated. There are two image intensifier tube manufacturers in the US: ITT Technologies and L3 Communications (Litton). Current production Gen3 tubes are Autogated, but there are still surplus Gen3 non-gated tubes available. These are often purchased by shady manufactures and builders at reduced prices, inserted into body housings and sold at reduced prices to make an easy buck. So, do your research and exercise caution before spending your hard-earned money. That statement is misleading- there are plenty of brand new, full warranty, non-gated tubes from both manufacturers. While autogating power supplies are always supplied for .mil OMNI VII contracts they also produce non gated tubes as well with 64 lp, 25 S/N or higher for commerical and NATO country use- These tubes are great and while autogating is an important feature for urban use (read LE and .Mil use) the DC power supply tubes are perfectly fine for low light environments that hunters typically find themselves in. Are the non-gated tubes in the TNVC Select Alpha PVS-14 new factory tubes or from 'shady' manufacturers? Here is a pic of a couple brand new factory tubes- the picture is about 10 days old. Half are autogated, half have DC power supplies...
http://i54.tinypic.com/2dir791.jpg I believe the key word Karma is "often". He did not say always.... Many dealers do sell a PVS-14 with a cheaper non AG tube to make a quick buck on the uneducated buyer. I have examples if you need them. I don't think he is being misleading at all. He is merely pointing out that you need to exercise caution and know exactly what you are buying. Nothing wrong with non AG tubes at all. I agree with you on that. Problem is some sell these new production tubes with creative wording and many believe they are getting a AG tube. You're are certainly entitled to your opinion but I think he is telling people the truth. Many shady dealers do use cheaper tubes. I have no issue with it as long as it is disclosed in plain English as to what you are buying. In the highlighted part in blue you know as well as I that he is referring to the night vision scope manufacturer or builder and NOT the tube manufacturer. Let us not be "misleading" here Jason. |
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I will be PERFECTLY honest with you Karma, as a business owner I grow concerned of you taking swings at our company and putting us in constant bad light. It seems it never stops with you and this is my formal complaint with you and it's been reported to Sr. Staff and the Site Owners in the past with accusations about our NEW WASP NV scope alleging it was made in a "certain" country to put us in bad light on that product. In that case again, you knew nothing about the product in question, but insisted to post falsehoods to put our product in a bad light. That thread was finally locked and trashed to this and other COC violations on your behalf. Unfortunately, you have initiated another course of action based on accusations that Clasky statements are all of sudden misleading. See below.
It's funny, but when you were the Moderator for 2 days here of the NV forum you saw it fit to actually tack this exact thread here on 8/26/2010 7:43:54 AM PST http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=18&t=322481and thus it was your job at that time to insure all the information was worthy and valid as a tacked thread as I did as a Moderator after 4 years of starting this forum. After all, threads such as this are for the community at large to assist them as a whole. Thus far after 4 months, this tacked thread above with THOUSANDS of reads, you're the only person calling out Clasky that his statements are suddenly mis-leading.  You're educated enough to know all the "other" shady dealers who place Russian, or other foreign tubes in their systems and call them PVS-14 this or that. E-Bay is full of this as well. You also know and so does all our customers that our Non-Autogated tubes are ITT or L3 factory tubes. There is nothing shady here Karma, as we always state what is inside our PVS-14's. It's on our web site as well under each description what tube is inside our units.
It's also funny the timing of this thread as you show your own NV tubes in this thread all in the same breath calling Clasky's statements misleading.  If you think Clasky was insinuating your tubes, or whomever tubes your showing misleading, I fail to see anything as mis-leading accept for the timing of your post.
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You know Jason, I've always let your little sarcastic pin-pricks roll off my back because they just aren't worth my time. They are generally pretty harmless and do more to make you look like a jealous child than anything else. But, it must of taken some time to gather enough courage to step out from behind your CAD software to call me a liar. You know, I've always tried to be cool with you. I even exchanged a few emails and IM's with you after you got your ass handed to you during your "Shortest Stint as an Arfcom Moderator" 2 days. During those short hours you tried to take as many shots at my company as you could before the site staff caught on to your little game and replaced you. Afterward, you came crawling to me through IM's saying you "wish that Vic would understand that you aren't out to get him." Then, you jumped on as moderator on another forum, owned by your buddy who was banned from Arfcom and had a little toddler-esque temper tantrum, making slanderous remarks about my boss and this forum. Real mature.
Let me give you a little universal business lesson that is especially true for the tactical community: Be professional, truthful, and a straight-shooter. You see, TNVC has quickly grown into one of the most trusted sources of night vision gear because we follow these rules. We always tell it like it is, never mincing words. We exhaustively test all the gear we sell and truthfully represent it to our clients through photos and in-depth reviews. We use our extensive prior and current night vision operational experience to help us set templates to weed out un-worthy products. If we aren't going to bet our lives on something, we won't recommend it to our brothers and say "it's good enough." But hey, how you run your business is your business. But, believe me, this industry has no tolerance for childish antics. We base our business model on what is best for those going into harm's way. It just so happens that regular guys want to use the same quality equipment (even if they are "only" shooting coyotes and hogs). Our customers realize that night vision is an investment and don't settle for "good enough." They respect our forthright answers to their questions and the fact that we don't BS them with used-car salesmen acts. I am always honest in my portrayal of night vision and never mislead people. You would know this if you took some time to understand what I am saying instead of looking for opportunities to quote my words out of context with your little twists in an effort to prop up your product. Take a look at the recent night vision Generation Comparison article I co-authored. The D300 Gen2+ (a product we sell) doesn't get a glowing review compared to the much more capable Gen3 tubes. This is the lowest grade model we carry for a reason. But, I don't try to mislead people into thinking that it is "almost as good" as an SHP, let alone Gen3. Nope. The article shows it like it is. And you know what: people respond to that. We all know there plenty of folks out their making cheap night vision so they can sell it to some poor fool who didn't do his research. Some of these are guys in their garages building stuff from parts kits and selling it on ebay. Some of these are large, otherwise respected companies that try to stamp their brand name on a lesser piece of gear because the see dollar signs in the night vision market but don't know the first thing about it. I have never called you out or said anything derogatory about your company or your affiliates. There is enough trash talk in this forum as it is and I'm kind of busy. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit back and let you insinuate that I lead folks astray. I will say this, Jason: I find it telling that even though I have never spoken an ill word about your business, you read a sentence I wrote talking about companies misrepresenting tubes and immediately thought I meant you... So much so, that you felt compelled to presumptuously post pics of your non-autogated tubes and try to explain how they are "good enough." Dude, if you want to base your business on "good enough" or "acceptable," that's fine. But stop wasting everyone's time picking fights that you lost before even stepping into the ring. |
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