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Originally Posted By scottrh2: Form 1 submitted 27 May 2026. Approved yesterday (16 June 2026). NO special conditions noted referencing engraving. My plan is to wait it out….. Mine never had special conditions to engrave, it was expected per the regulations. |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: Form 1 submitted 27 May 2026. Approved yesterday (16 June 2026). NO special conditions noted referencing engraving. My plan is to wait it out….. I have seen a few people now with recent approvals say they were approved with no special conditions. Maybe close enough to them likely implementing the rule change they stopped adding that to approved form 1's like they were doing a month or so ago. |
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Originally Posted By MB_GELANDEWAGEN: I have seen a few people now with recent approvals say they were approved with no special conditions. Maybe close enough to them likely implementing the rule change they stopped adding that to approved form 1's like they were doing a month or so ago. Hopefully, I’m at day 72 on one and just under that on 3 more. I really don’t want to engrave or do the CLOE notice. |
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Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Hopefully, I'm at day 72 on one and just under that on 3 more. I really don't want to engrave or do the CLOE notice. Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By MB_GELANDEWAGEN: I have seen a few people now with recent approvals say they were approved with no special conditions. Maybe close enough to them likely implementing the rule change they stopped adding that to approved form 1's like they were doing a month or so ago. Hopefully, I'm at day 72 on one and just under that on 3 more. I really don't want to engrave or do the CLOE notice. https://www.atf.gov/media/22361/download |
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Originally Posted By grondike: I'm pretty sure that the CLEO notification is supposed to be sent when you submit the form, not when it's approved. See the top of page 2 of the PDF version of the form. https://www.atf.gov/media/22361/download DOH, looks like I need to drop a few items in the mail Monday… 
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Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: DOH, looks like I need to drop a few items in the mail Monday Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By grondike: I'm pretty sure that the CLEO notification is supposed to be sent when you submit the form, not when it's approved. See the top of page 2 of the PDF version of the form. https://www.atf.gov/media/22361/download DOH, looks like I need to drop a few items in the mail Monday Law enforcement notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective Chief Law Enforcement Officer. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a state or local district attorney or prosecutor. |
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Originally Posted By grondike: I wonder what percentage of CLEO offices do anything other than round-file applications. It's been a while since I've done a Form 1, but I've been tempted to pick one of the more obscure offices from the bottom of the list. Law enforcement notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective Chief Law Enforcement Officer. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a state or local district attorney or prosecutor. The OH attorney general office sends them back with a letter saying they don't accept them. |
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Originally Posted By laxman09: The OH attorney general office sends them back with a letter saying they don't accept them. Originally Posted By laxman09: Originally Posted By grondike: I wonder what percentage of CLEO offices do anything other than round-file applications. It's been a while since I've done a Form 1, but I've been tempted to pick one of the more obscure offices from the bottom of the list. Law enforcement notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective Chief Law Enforcement Officer. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a state or local district attorney or prosecutor. 
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Originally Posted By thrift3309: I was cc'd - not sure if it was intentional on my last notification. So and so - if you ever get one of these they go to this person. So my county (liberal NC county w/ a Dem Sherriff) does indeed store them in some fashion. So send them to another CLEO that's valid for you: chief of police, state attorney general or somebody like that. |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: Things don't seem to be getting better with the ATF. That's FBI NICS not responding within 30 days. You need a UPIN. |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: Just got a F1 disapproved because my background check was delayed. Things don't seem to be getting better with the ATF. |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: That sucks, but as a general trend things are definitely getting better. I have had two BS disapprovals out of the last two submissions. Certainly not new to NFA. Hell all of my Form 1 applications have been 2-3 times longer than they used to be. Now I'm getting BS disapprovals. |
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Originally Posted By Bubbles: That's FBI NICS not responding within 30 days. You need a UPIN. Originally Posted By Bubbles: Originally Posted By JTX23: Things don't seem to be getting better with the ATF. That's FBI NICS not responding within 30 days. You need a UPIN. That never happened to me before. Delays just kept me sitting out there. Government denying someone a right because they failed to do their job by their own admission is complete BS. Additionally, how is making me resubmit more efficient and them reprocessing a new application than just closing the open item on the existing app. Now I need to do more work because they won't do their job? There is another thread in this sub where they denied a guy his UPIN because they never addressed the root cause (not resolving the identity conflict). |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: That never happened to me before. Delays just kept me sitting out there. Government denying someone a right because they failed to do their job by their own admission is complete BS. ATF running all background checks through FBI NICS is how it's turning around approvals in 2-3 days. By statute FBI NICS has three business days to return a response for a Title I transfer so those have priority. There is no time limit for a Title II transfer so the FBI only works on them after it clears its Title I backlog for the day. If your Title I transfers are always delayed then you will wait a while on Title II. A UPIN makes the NICS process faster. It's not ideal and it may not even be your personal history causing the problem. Your stats may overlap with a felon's. Get a UPIN. |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: I have had two BS disapprovals out of the last two submissions. Certainly not new to NFA. Hell all of my Form 1 applications have been 2-3 times longer than they used to be. Now I'm getting BS disapprovals. |
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Originally Posted By Bubbles: ATF running all background checks through FBI NICS is how it's turning around approvals in 2-3 days. By statute FBI NICS has three business days to return a response for a Title I transfer so those have priority. There is no time limit for a Title II transfer so the FBI only works on them after it clears its Title I backlog for the day. If your Title I transfers are always delayed then you will wait a while on Title II. A UPIN makes the NICS process faster. It's not ideal and it may not even be your personal history causing the problem. Your stats may overlap with a felon's. Get a UPIN. Originally Posted By Bubbles: Originally Posted By JTX23: That never happened to me before. Delays just kept me sitting out there. Government denying someone a right because they failed to do their job by their own admission is complete BS. ATF running all background checks through FBI NICS is how it's turning around approvals in 2-3 days. By statute FBI NICS has three business days to return a response for a Title I transfer so those have priority. There is no time limit for a Title II transfer so the FBI only works on them after it clears its Title I backlog for the day. If your Title I transfers are always delayed then you will wait a while on Title II. A UPIN makes the NICS process faster. It's not ideal and it may not even be your personal history causing the problem. Your stats may overlap with a felon's. Get a UPIN. That's just it. It isn't my personal history causing the issue. I have no criminal record. They have my social. The entire concept of a UPIN is BS. Between all of my clearances for government work, my NFA applications and all that goes with them, my prior FFL and my social, why is a UPIN necessary? What could I possibly give them that they don't have access to and have not had all these years for all of those purposes. My complaint is it is BS. We all know it and the UPIN application will not provide them anything that does not already exist. |
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Originally Posted By MB_GELANDEWAGEN: I have seen a few people now with recent approvals say they were approved with no special conditions. Maybe close enough to them likely implementing the rule change they stopped adding that to approved form 1's like they were doing a month or so ago. |
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Originally Posted By acrocat: Not gospel, this is just my personal experience. I have done quite a few form 1s and they have been submitted over the course of many years. I have never filled out box 4h and I have never seen approved with special conditions. My last form 1 was my M203 in late 2024 so maybe something changed after that? Originally Posted By acrocat: Originally Posted By MB_GELANDEWAGEN: I have seen a few people now with recent approvals say they were approved with no special conditions. Maybe close enough to them likely implementing the rule change they stopped adding that to approved form 1's like they were doing a month or so ago. |
| I think there is only one relatively new examiner doing the engraving required condition; it’s certainly not universal. The one I got back earlier this week had the condition, but those in the months before didn’t, but a couple before that did. It really doesn’t mean anything. Unless the rule is changed, you have to engrave the makers information, whether it’s explicitly stated as a condition or not. If the rule is changed, then the condition is meaningless because it references the U.S. Code section that would be changed. |
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Where are we at on the engraving changes? 1140-AA70: Allowing Makers to Adopt Certain Markings for National Firearms Act - NPRM ATF is proposing to allow individuals who make National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms by altering existing firearms to adopt markings already applied by the original manufacturer rather than applying additional, redundant markings. Because the original importer and manufacturer's serial number and markings are already required by statute and regulation, this proposal eliminates a duplicative regulatory requirement while ensuring NFA marking requirements are satisfied. ATF has previously accommodated this practice through individual variances; this proposed rule codifies that accommodation into regulation to provide consistent, clear guidance across the industry. Comments closed in June, is it 90 days after that comment period that the change could be adopted or something more involved? |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: Where are we at on the engraving changes? 1140-AA70: Allowing Makers to Adopt Certain Markings for National Firearms Act - NPRM ATF is proposing to allow individuals who make National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms by altering existing firearms to adopt markings already applied by the original manufacturer rather than applying additional, redundant markings. Because the original importer and manufacturer's serial number and markings are already required by statute and regulation, this proposal eliminates a duplicative regulatory requirement while ensuring NFA marking requirements are satisfied. ATF has previously accommodated this practice through individual variances; this proposed rule codifies that accommodation into regulation to provide consistent, clear guidance across the industry. Comments closed in June, is it 90 days after that comment period that the change could be adopted or something more involved? I keep checking almost daily, its still a proposed rule. Comments closed July 6th, after being open for comments 60 days. Pretty much all of their proposed rules from this batch are still “proposed” with the exception of AA74, “plastic explosives triplicate filing”. Edit - AA74 quick timeline May 6, 2026: Final rule published in the Federal Register. June 5, 2026: Final rule became effective. Public comments on the May 6 final rule: None — it was issued as a final rule rather than an NPRM. |
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Originally Posted By grondike: I wonder what percentage of CLEO offices do anything other than round-file applications. It's been a while since I've done a Form 1, but I've been tempted to pick one of the more obscure offices from the bottom of the list. Law enforcement notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective Chief Law Enforcement Officer. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a state or local district attorney or prosecutor. Originally Posted By grondike: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By grondike: I'm pretty sure that the CLEO notification is supposed to be sent when you submit the form, not when it's approved. See the top of page 2 of the PDF version of the form. https://www.atf.gov/media/22361/download DOH, looks like I need to drop a few items in the mail Monday Law enforcement notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective Chief Law Enforcement Officer. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a state or local district attorney or prosecutor. |
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So I understand the futility of asking the "how long until the ATF issues a final ruling on proposed rule change for NFA firearms marking", but in general is there an amount of time typically taken between public comment periods and final rule publications? 6 months? A year? No possible way to guess? Different from agency to agency? I presume they have to go through every single public comment submitted which could take quite a while. I have rifles purchased as Factory SBR, and plan to SBR a couple of others as soon as the rule is published (crossing fingers it makes it to the finish line). I personally prefer the idea of using original maker markings vs engraving. |
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