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Posted: 12/7/2010 12:19:16 PM EDT
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So are these AOWs or not?
They are a handgun with a smoothbore barrel, which according to the ATF makes it an AOW. That said, the ones I have seen for sale do not mention any NFA restrictions. |
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It has indeed been removed from the NFA due to C&R status. See page 38 of the ATF "Firearms Curios or Relics List": http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf
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There is / was a repro. I guess I should add that only the originals are exempt from the NFA by being C&R. I would suspect that the repros use rifled barrels to circumvent the issue. This would be my guesse, I can only add that Both the Orig. and the repos are Not save to shoot much. |
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I guess I should add that only the originals are exempt from the NFA by being C&R. No. They are "Weapons Removed From The NFA As Collector's Items And Classified As Curios Or Relics Under The GCA" In other words, they are still "firearms" under the GCA, but specifically exempted from the NFA because: The Bureau has determined that by reason of the date of their manufacture, value, design and other characteristics, the following firearms are primarily collector's items and are not likely to be used as weapons and, therefore, are excluded from the provisions of the National Firearms Act. Further, the Bureau has determined that such firearms are also curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 478.11. Thus, licensed collectors may acquire, hold, or dispose to them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and 27 CFR Part 478. They are still "firearms" as defined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44. |
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Real deal. I have NEVER seen a repro...only the original Guide Lamp plans. There is a repro. The barrel is rifled, and the firing pin hole is not cut (they do give you instrucions on how to do it and also the caveat that shooting the gun will wear it out). |
Here's a picture of my original with the original ten rounds of ammo. I have the original cartoon drawing. My wife purchased the gun plus ammo and drawing for me a few years ago for $2,250.00. The dealer had an original box but refused $1,000.00 for it. Like I stated "a few years ago" I expect to see him this weekend and will make him the same off. Once I have the box, I believe it will make the complete "package" worth more
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The "Smoothbore Pistol" definition of an AOW specifically includes "...designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell." A pistol or handgun with a smoothbore is not an AOW unless it is chambered for a shotgun shell.
The Liberator is not nor has ever been an AOW. Vintage Ordnance added the rifled barrel for two reasons; one is to make clear that it is a repro, not an original (as they say) and secondly -and likely more truthful- it is cheaper and easier to buy rifled barrel blanks since no one makes (or wants) a finished smoothbore barrel in .45 ACP. This would be quite a special order for Vintage Ordnance and very expensive since there is no other demand for such a unique barrel. The manufacturing cost and retail price would go up considerably had they chosen to stay true to the original in this regard. The Taurus Judge and Thunder Five before it are both designed to fire the .410 shotshell, but have rifled barrels in order to avoid the NFA AOW definition. |
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The "Smoothbore Pistol" definition of an AOW specifically includes "...designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell." A pistol or handgun with a smoothbore is not an AOW unless it is chambered for a shotgun shell. The Liberator is not nor has ever been an AOW. I question this a bit, since if it has never been subject to the NFA, why did the ATF go to the trouble of publishing an exemption? I see you point on how the law is written. Did the AOW description change since WW2 to add the part you mention? |
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