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Posted: 7/24/2010 5:29:34 PM EDT
| I assume the fingerprint cards that I need to order on the ATF site are these- FBI FD-258LE - NFA, Imports ORI WVATF0800 ??? Would that be correct?? |
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Not to thread jack, but a side question. If I already have prints on file with the Feds (federal employee) would I need to send in another set? Yes. Ever form you send in will need a set of finger print cards(2) OP-those would be the ones you need, but its been confirmed that the finger print cards are entered into the system by hand, so you could have your finger prints done on any of the finger print cards that are out there and you shouldn't run into any issues. My local LEO smudged one of mine, so redid the card with one from their office, said crime check something or other on it, I sent it in, had no issues. |
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Any card will work some guys are even saying that they aren't changing the address or the ORI I use the "applicant" card several times now with out a problem I did change the ORI and address just in case. Take the following for what it's worth, and you can certainly do as you see fit, but my goal is to try to help the NFA Branch have less work to do on cleaning up peoples errors (which speeds up everyone's wait time). The print cards HAVE to be the FBI FD-258 print cards, they HAVE to have the correct ORI information on them, and they need to be submitted in duplicate. The cards are electronically scanned and forwarded to the FBI. No other style of print card can be electronically read through the scanner. In the past (well over a year ago at this point), the cards were manually entered and some data was slightly less important. Now that the scanner is being used, the type of cards and the ORI are crucial. If the incorrect ORI is on the print cards, the FBI will not be able to send the results back correctly. Dan. |
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It's been a couple years since I put in multiple forms - this time it will be (4) Forms 4s. Do I need (4) sets of fingerprint cards, or can I send (1) set of cards in to cover the forms? I personally recommend sending every transfer as a complete package. Meaning two forms, two print cards, one cert of compliance, and one check for each individual transfer. Just keeps it clean that way should the applications become separated. However, in reality, if all of the Form 4s are coming from the same seller, and are going to the same buyer, you can get by with two print cards, one cert of compliance, and one check for the whole package. Choice is really yours. Dan. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Any card will work some guys are even saying that they aren't changing the address or the ORI I use the "applicant" card several times now with out a problem I did change the ORI and address just in case. Take the following for what it's worth, and you can certainly do as you see fit, but my goal is to try to help the NFA Branch have less work to do on cleaning up peoples errors (which speeds up everyone's wait time). The print cards HAVE to be the FBI FD-258 print cards, they HAVE to have the correct ORI information on them, and they need to be submitted in duplicate. The cards are electronically scanned and forwarded to the FBI. No other style of print card can be electronically read through the scanner. In the past (well over a year ago at this point), the cards were manually entered and some data was slightly less important. Now that the scanner is being used, the type of cards and the ORI are crucial. If the incorrect ORI is on the print cards, the FBI will not be able to send the results back correctly. Dan. I have a Form 4 in progress that did not use the FBI FD-258 print cards and have had no issues so far. I will update if they throw problems at me, but from what I've read it seems doubtful that they will. ETA - I'm 2 months in on the process - more than a month pending. |
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Any card will work some guys are even saying that they aren't changing the address or the ORI I use the "applicant" card several times now with out a problem I did change the ORI and address just in case. Take the following for what it's worth, and you can certainly do as you see fit, but my goal is to try to help the NFA Branch have less work to do on cleaning up peoples errors (which speeds up everyone's wait time). The print cards HAVE to be the FBI FD-258 print cards, they HAVE to have the correct ORI information on them, and they need to be submitted in duplicate. The cards are electronically scanned and forwarded to the FBI. No other style of print card can be electronically read through the scanner. In the past (well over a year ago at this point), the cards were manually entered and some data was slightly less important. Now that the scanner is being used, the type of cards and the ORI are crucial. If the incorrect ORI is on the print cards, the FBI will not be able to send the results back correctly. Dan. Dan sounds like you are in the know when it comes to this. I noticed your location is W V. all of my stamps were over a year ago. One of my friends has one pending that I helped him with that he did on the just a plain Jane card that we changed the ORI and address I guess we'll see if it gos through if it doesn't and this thread is still around I'll post an update. |
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Dan sounds like you are in the know when it comes to this. I noticed your location is W V. all of my stamps were over a year ago. One of my friends has one pending that I helped him with that he did on the just a plain Jane card that we changed the ORI and address I guess we'll see if it gos through if it doesn't and this thread is still around I'll post an update. When my prints were taken on the 21st July, one card was botched so the local PD used a generic Applicant card. I made a little label with the ORI and other information from the good cards and pasted it into place - hopefully it works! |
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Any card will work some guys are even saying that they aren't changing the address or the ORI I use the "applicant" card several times now with out a problem I did change the ORI and address just in case. Take the following for what it's worth, and you can certainly do as you see fit, but my goal is to try to help the NFA Branch have less work to do on cleaning up peoples errors (which speeds up everyone's wait time). The print cards HAVE to be the FBI FD-258 print cards, they HAVE to have the correct ORI information on them, and they need to be submitted in duplicate. The cards are electronically scanned and forwarded to the FBI. No other style of print card can be electronically read through the scanner. In the past (well over a year ago at this point), the cards were manually entered and some data was slightly less important. Now that the scanner is being used, the type of cards and the ORI are crucial. If the incorrect ORI is on the print cards, the FBI will not be able to send the results back correctly. Dan. Dan sounds like you are in the know when it comes to this. I noticed your location is W V. all of my stamps were over a year ago. One of my friends has one pending that I helped him with that he did on the just a plain Jane card that we changed the ORI and address I guess we'll see if it gos through if it doesn't and this thread is still around I'll post an update. Just to clarify, you do not have to get the FD-258 cards form ATF. There are tons of agencies around the country that also use FD-258 cards. A lot of times they will have the agencies ORI printed on them already. In those instances, just using a label or something to place the correct ORI information is all that is necessary. You can look on the back of the print card, on the very bottom left, and it will identify the cards as FD-258 cards. If the cards sent were not FD-258 cards, then I would be prepared to get an error letter asking for you to submit the correct cards. Here is what the card should look like: FBI FD-258 print cards And the correct ORI information is: WVATF0800 ATF - NFA BRANCH MARTINSBURG, WV Dan. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any card will work some guys are even saying that they aren't changing the address or the ORI I use the "applicant" card several times now with out a problem I did change the ORI and address just in case. Take the following for what it's worth, and you can certainly do as you see fit, but my goal is to try to help the NFA Branch have less work to do on cleaning up peoples errors (which speeds up everyone's wait time). The print cards HAVE to be the FBI FD-258 print cards, they HAVE to have the correct ORI information on them, and they need to be submitted in duplicate. The cards are electronically scanned and forwarded to the FBI. No other style of print card can be electronically read through the scanner. In the past (well over a year ago at this point), the cards were manually entered and some data was slightly less important. Now that the scanner is being used, the type of cards and the ORI are crucial. If the incorrect ORI is on the print cards, the FBI will not be able to send the results back correctly. Dan. I have a Form 4 in progress that did not use the FBI FD-258 print cards and have had no issues so far. I will update if they throw problems at me, but from what I've read it seems doubtful that they will. ETA - I'm 2 months in on the process - more than a month pending. I was approved on August 17th. I did not utilize the FBI FD-258 fingerprint cards. |
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I was approved on August 17th. I did not utilize the FBI FD-258 fingerprint cards. Your print card may not have been an actual FBI - FD258 card (on card stock with blue ink), however I would suspect that it was a photo-copy and/or print of the front of an FD-258 card where all the information and blanks are in the appropriate location. If it wasn't in the same format, the scanner they use would not accept it. Dan. |
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