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6/21/2010 7:11:44 PM EDT
I keep seeing this term used. Are these able to be transferred to a civi? Looking to get me a full auto something in the near future and am trying to figure out what?
6/21/2010 7:39:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Post samples can only be posessed by PD's and by SOT's with a LE letter  OR by manufacturers who made a particular weapon.  They must be liquidated (transferred to LE or another SOT, abandoned to ATF, destroyed) before an individual gives up their license. They are not transferable to .civ in the sense that Joe Six-Piack can buy one.
6/21/2010 7:44:25 PM EDT
[#2]
"Post sample" sometimes further abbreviated "postie" means post-ban dealer sales sample.  Possession is limited to gov/LE agencies, the SOT that manufactures it, and SOT dealers under strict limitation - the dealer must have a letter from an LE agency requesting a demonstration of the MG, then the dealer can get one as a sales sample.  Post ban meaning made after May 19. 1986.
6/21/2010 8:11:11 PM EDT
[#3]
Bottom line is, no, post-samples can never be owned by civilians.
6/22/2010 3:09:11 AM EDT
[#4]
What about pre samples?
6/22/2010 3:17:16 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
What about pre samples?

Pre samples –– machine guns imported or reimported after 1968 but before 1986 –– can only be purchased by FFL/SOT holders (manufacturers, dealers or importers of NFA items).

They do not require the LE demonstration letter. And they can be retained by the individual after his FFL/SOT expires. But even then, they can only be sold to dealers, and they cannot be inherited, unless your heirs also hold current FFL/SOTs. Basically, you get to keep them while you are alive.

It should be noted that acquiring an FFL/SOT solely to enhance your personal collection is considered tax evasion; ATF has gotten federal convictions based on it. The FFL/SOT holder must be actively engaged in business, and have proof or records to show it is an active business.
6/22/2010 3:29:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What about pre samples?

Pre samples –– machine guns imported or reimported after 1968 but before 1986 –– can only be purchased by FFL/SOT holders (manufacturers, dealers or importers of NFA items).

They do not require the LE demonstration letter. And they can be retained by the individual after his FFL/SOT expires. But even then, they can only be sold to dealers, and they cannot be inherited, unless your heirs also hold current FFL/SOTs. Basically, you get to keep them while you are alive.

It should be noted that acquiring an FFL/SOT solely to enhance your personal collection is considered tax evasion; ATF has gotten federal convictions based on it. The FFL/SOT holder must be actively engaged in business, and have proof or records to show it is an active business.


what a pile of krap!

We really need to repeal 86.
6/22/2010 5:54:37 AM EDT
[#7]
It should be noted that acquiring an FFL/SOT solely to enhance your personal collection is considered tax evasion; ATF has gotten federal convictions based on it. The FFL/SOT holder must be actively engaged in business, and have proof or records to show it is an active business.

anyone who gets busted for this is pretty dumb.   if there intent is personal collection they may as well do a little business with the FFL and make some money.  it will help their personal collection even more when their hobby can pay for its self.
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