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1/27/2010 12:12:37 PM EDT
I see a lot of sub 16" barrels on ar's. I thought rifle barrels had to be 16" to be legal as a rifle, what am I missing ?
1/27/2010 10:32:16 AM EDT
[#1]
Thanks for all the input. What I was trying to say was I had a few 12"-14" guns that were registered on my pistol permit. That's what my confusion was when seeing all th rifles with sub 16" barrells. I wasn't aware of the SBR and NFA stuff. Been out of the gun arena for a while and trying to catch up on things. Is it difficult or expensive to obtain a license for these?
1/27/2010 10:36:16 AM EDT
[#2]



Quoted:


Thanks for all the input. What I was trying to say was I had a few 12"-14" guns that were registered on my pistol permit. That's what my confusion was when seeing all th rifles with sub 16" barrells. I wasn't aware of the the required stamp you guys were talking about for sub 16" barrels.. Been out of the gun arena for a while and trying to catch up on things.


I'm still having trouble understanding your point here.



Let's try and keep it simple. If you have a pistol, you can have a barrel shorter than 16"



If you have a rifle (you know something with a stock on the back), the barrel must be 16" or it must be registered as an SBR. You can't register a SBR on a pistol permit.



If you do have an SBR that isn't registered, I would suggest that you take it apart and find out what is necessary for you to  make it an SBR.
 
1/27/2010 11:04:38 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Thanks for all the input. What I was trying to say was I had a few 12"-14" guns that were registered on my pistol permit. That's what my confusion was when seeing all th rifles with sub 16" barrells. I wasn't aware of the SBR and NFA stuff. Been out of the gun arena for a while and trying to catch up on things. Is it difficult or expensive to obtain a license for these?


Where in Fl are any type of "permits" required to own a gun?

We have CCW permits but that's about it.
1/27/2010 11:11:08 AM EDT
[#4]
OK, I don't have a SBR.

While reading this and other gun sites I was seeing a lot og guys with these SBR and I never heard of them before so that's were my question came from because I too know that a rifle must be 16" or longer to be legal.

Just trying to understand the whole sub 16" thing that's all.
1/27/2010 11:13:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Thanks for all the input. What I was trying to say was I had a few 12"-14" guns that were registered on my pistol permit. That's what my confusion was when seeing all th rifles with sub 16" barrells. I wasn't aware of the SBR and NFA stuff. Been out of the gun arena for a while and trying to catch up on things. Is it difficult or expensive to obtain a license for these?


Where in Fl are any type of "permits" required to own a gun?

We have CCW permits but that's about it.


When I lived in NY all your hand guns where on your pistol permit.
1/27/2010 11:22:53 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Thanks for all the input. What I was trying to say was I had a few 12"-14" guns that were registered on my pistol permit. That's what my confusion was when seeing all th rifles with sub 16" barrells. I wasn't aware of the SBR and NFA stuff. Been out of the gun arena for a while and trying to catch up on things. Is it difficult or expensive to obtain a license for these?



READ THIS
1/27/2010 11:26:13 AM EDT
[#7]
KBAD, thanks for the link.
1/27/2010 11:43:29 AM EDT
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not to confuse the OP further, but there are quite a few folks who legally own machineguns as well, some of which are pictured here in the various threads. machineguns have no barrel length restrictions.


1/27/2010 11:50:56 AM EDT
[#9]
I was aware of a special license for a fully automatic weapon.
1/27/2010 11:55:09 AM EDT
[#10]
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I was aware of a special license for a fully automatic weapon.


there isn't one.




1/27/2010 12:06:34 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I was aware of a special license for a fully automatic weapon.


there isn't one.


But you need a 'tax stamp'. and what ever your state requires.
1/23/2010 7:58:22 AM EDT
[#12]
Option one: SBR tax stamp
option two: 14.5 with permanently attach extended A2 or similar length flash hider.
1/23/2010 7:58:36 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I see a lot of sub 16" barrels on ar's. I thought rifle barrels had to be 16" to be legal as a rifle, what am I missing ?


They are either registered with BATF as short barreled rifles, or as in the case of 14.5" inch barrels, they have an extended flash suppressor permanently attached which brings them to a legal 16" length
1/23/2010 7:59:10 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Option one: SBR tax stamp
option two: 14.5 with permanently attach extended A2 or similar length flash hider.


Beat me to it
1/23/2010 7:59:12 AM EDT
[#15]
The rifles that you are seeing are Short Barreled Rifles (SBR) and are NFA guns...

- Clint
1/23/2010 8:24:02 AM EDT
[#16]
Thanks guys. I've had a carry permit for quit a few years and all my sub 16" were licenced as my pistols.
1/23/2010 8:43:31 AM EDT
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Thanks guys. I've had a carry permit for quit a few years and all my sub 16" were licenced as my pistols.


I'm not sure what you mean by that.  You can't just license an SBR as a pistol.
1/23/2010 9:07:52 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Thanks guys. I've had a carry permit for quit a few years and all my sub 16" were licenced as my pistols.


The only way a short barreled AR can be legal without a stamp is if it was originally manufactured as a pistol lower (I think) and it has no stock.
1/23/2010 9:45:02 AM EDT
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Quoted:



Quoted:

Thanks guys. I've had a carry permit for quit a few years and all my sub 16" were licenced as my pistols.




The only way a short barreled AR can be legal without a stamp is if it was originally manufactured as a pistol lower (I think) and it has no stock.


As long as it's never had a stock on it, you're good.  And unless it's a local law, there's no such thing as licensing them as pistols.



 
1/23/2010 11:22:05 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:

Quoted:
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Thanks guys. I've had a carry permit for quit a few years and all my sub 16" were licenced as my pistols.


The only way a short barreled AR can be legal without a stamp is if it was originally manufactured as a pistol lower (I think) and it has no stock.

As long as it's never had a stock on it, you're good.  And unless it's a local law, there's no such thing as licensing them as pistols.
 


this is true, KAC1911 are running "pistol" uppers on a lower that has a stock on it?
1/23/2010 11:32:36 AM EDT
[#21]
Oops... bet the OP wishes he didn't post this....

- Clint
1/27/2010 12:24:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
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Where in Fl are any type of "permits" required to own a gun?

We have CCW permits but that's about it.


When I lived in NY all your hand guns where on your pistol permit.


But, you're in Florida now - what are Florida's laws, as they pertain to you and your arms?  That's much more important than what the laws were back in New York.
1/27/2010 3:03:27 PM EDT
[#23]
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I was aware of a special license for a fully automatic weapon.

There is no "license".  You pay a tax to have one transferred to you, and it requires registration with the federal government as well as possession and transportation restrictions.  The same applies to short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, silencers/sound suppressors, "destructive devices" and "any other weapons" which are all covered under the "National Firearms Act" (NFA).  Many states have restrictions on some or all NFA regulated firearms as well.

Anything you did to comply with NY law is irrelevant in Florida.
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