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Posted: 12/27/2009 4:57:03 PM EDT
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I have read somewhere on here that it is okay to take ones own fingerprints on the blue FBI-258LE fingerprint cards when submitting with the NFA forms. If this is the case, what does one put in the "signature of official taking fingerprints" box? Does one just sign his/her name or is just writing "self" in that box sufficient? Also, what about the "employer and address" box? Would that be my employer, even though it has nothing to do with fingerprinting? Just curious, because my local PD charges $20.00 per set. Which really adds up when doing multiple Form 1's or 4's.
And please don't suggest that I go the Trust route.  My CLEO has no problem signing off on NFA items. Thanks all!
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I have read somewhere on here that it is okay to take ones own fingerprints on the blue FBI-258LE fingerprint cards when submitting with the NFA forms. If this is the case, what does one put in the "signature of official taking fingerprints" box? Does one just sign his/her name or is just writing "self" in that box sufficient? Also, what about the "employer and address" box? Would that be my employer, even though it has nothing to do with fingerprinting? Just curious, because my local PD charges $20.00 per set. Which really adds up when doing multiple Form 1's or 4's. And please don't suggest that I go the Trust route. My CLEO has no problem signing off on NFA items. Thanks all!
Could you get them done in the next town over or at the county sheriff for less $? When I got my prints done the officer had me do them myself. He just stood there and told me what to do. I felt like arguing about the $8/set they charged me, but since my CLEO signed off while I waited, I didn't press the issue. =) |
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Could you get them done in the next town over or at the county sheriff for less $? Tried that a few years ago for DOD Security Clearance fingerprinting for work. Went to the PD in the town I work in (next town over) and was turned away and told that they "only print residents of the town" and I have to be "printed where I reside". |
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Rolled my own for probably the past 5 years or so without any issues so far. Not sure exactly how many transfers but probably at least the last 10 or more over since I started printing myself.
For the signature of official part, I just re-sign my name/signature Employer and address, I just put "Self" and my address below it. I ended up rolling them myself out of convenience as the Sheriffs office used to be downtown Austin and getting down there during a work day, parking was a nightmare, waiting an hour or more to get printed, going back to work with the black ink embedded in your fingers and trying to scrub it out in the bathroom at work in the event a customer meeting without ruining any work clothes, etc. was just a pain. Rolling your own prints isnt that hard, you just need to buy one of the fingerprinting kits from a online LE supply house. The kit will pay for itself pretty quick at $20 a set (that is what our local Sheriff charged) which while not the primary motivation for me was a nice bonus. James Austin, Texas |
Thanks James, that's everything I needed to know. 
I agree, the convenience thing is a big deal too. Last time I got printed at the PD it took me three seperate trips and many hours of waiting in the lobby for the booking area to be clear. I've already got everything I need to do my own prints but just needed the reassurance that this would be acceptable for NFA applications. Thanks again! |
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I just walk into booking and ask who ever is working that day to print me and they jump up and do it right then. NO CHARGE either. Then I walk into the sheriffs office and ask him to sign the forms. Which he does while I wait.
Well I do work there so that makes it a bit easier LOL for anyone else we just ask that you come early in the moring (M-F approx 3-8) to get printed and there is no charge either. You do have to make an apt with the sheriff if you want them signed while you wait or you can leave them with his Sec and come back in a day or two and pick them up. Pretty easy out here. |
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Our SO using the scanner/printer set up. Usually it is $10/card. I few years ago the ATF sent me 50 cards (I requested 10). I carried them into the SO and asked if there was a bulk discount. He asked the Sargent, who in turn told me $20 to print the stack. I have been using them ever since and I have two left that I hope to be mailing soon as my latest toy makes it to Ohio.......
YMMV, but as far as your question, nobody signed the Person Fingerprinting box (probably since I was already in the system all they had to do was hit print), and I have left it blank. 48 of them have been submitted that way and nobody has complained so far. Dan |
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Rolled my own for probably the past 5 years or so without any issues so far. Not sure exactly how many transfers but probably at least the last 10 or more over since I started printing myself. For the signature of official part, I just re-sign my name/signature Employer and address, I just put "Self" and my address below it. I ended up rolling them myself out of convenience as the Sheriffs office used to be downtown Austin and getting down there during a work day, parking was a nightmare, waiting an hour or more to get printed, going back to work with the black ink embedded in your fingers and trying to scrub it out in the bathroom at work in the event a customer meeting without ruining any work clothes, etc. was just a pain. Rolling your own prints isnt that hard, you just need to buy one of the fingerprinting kits from a online LE supply house. The kit will pay for itself pretty quick at $20 a set (that is what our local Sheriff charged) which while not the primary motivation for me was a nice bonus. James Austin, Texas I hit the DPS office on the way to the Sheriff's new location. Usually 15 minutes, $10 for 4 cards all electronic scan/print. That's all a thing of the past tho, got a new trust to try out next time ;) |
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Thanks for the information. If my ink pad ever dries up or there are self print issues with the NFA branch, I will just head over to the DPS office with a stack of cards and try and get a year or two worth printed out at one time. The scan/print thing would be nice with no more ink mess, etc.
I usually just print myself about once a year. Order half a dozen sets at one time from the ATF and roll them all at one time since it takes about the same amount of time to roll one set as it does six sets once you factor in the setup and cleanup time. Then just use them up as transfers come through and if they get to be over a year old just toss any remaining cards and re-roll another set. James |
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Thanks for the information. If my ink pad ever dries up or there are self print issues with the NFA branch, I will just head over to the DPS office with a stack of cards and try and get a year or two worth printed out at one time. The scan/print thing would be nice with no more ink mess, etc. I usually just print myself about once a year. Order half a dozen sets at one time from the ATF and roll them all at one time since it takes about the same amount of time to roll one set as it does six sets once you factor in the setup and cleanup time. Then just use them up as transfers come through and if they get to be over a year old just toss any remaining cards and re-roll another set. James If you know how to do it, roll your own. Just dont submit crap to the NFA branch. I've been fingerprinting myself for NFA for years. |
Took three tries to get mine,first two times the guy who does the prints was never there,ended up taking a day off from work as they told me the only time he is always there was between 8-830 am. I got there at 730 and had three people in line already. I got in just in time before he had to go. Apparently this cop is also the one who transports prisoners from the jail cells to court every morning. Charge was $20 per card.
I think I'll go the trust route if I do anymore NFA items. |
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Just go to your local police supply or order a pad online from galls (or any other supply store) and do it yourself. You cna get a regular ink pad from walmart and do it yourself if you don't mind black fingers for a few days... Its a lot cheaper and faster.
As long as you don't date the cards, then why would you throw them away? Your finger prints are not going to change (unless you have been injured or they have been altered in some manner). |
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Just go to your local police supply or order a pad online from galls (or any other supply store) and do it yourself. You cna get a regular ink pad from walmart and do it yourself if you don't mind black fingers for a few days... Its a lot cheaper and faster. As long as you don't date the cards, then why would you throw them away? Your finger prints are not going to change (unless you have been injured or they have been altered in some manner). In the past I have always been in the habit of keeping my forms and print cards inventory up to date. The NFA branch used to use the same cards and forms for ever but the past 6 or 7 years between the changes after 9/11 and then the move to WV the Form 1 and Form 4 have had numerous changes and the ORI on the fingerprint cards has changed as well. For me it's just piece of mind to always use sub year old forms/cards of any type so that I don't get caught up form change-over fiasco like we have had to deal with the past couple years. I just have a annual reminder on my personal outlook calendar to submit to the ATF distribution center for half a dozen new card sets and one new F1 & F4 to scan and make a new PDF docs out of in the event one of the forms changed from the previous year. I am sure I could probably go digging through forum posting for which is the most current form ect. or print out new stickers to cover old ORIs on the older cards but I have never had any problems with my process so far so I just keep the same routine. The past two years or so I have actually run out of my annual card allotment and had to order some extras so I have not had to toss any. I keep telling myself I won't need more than 6 sets but I always seem to use them up... Best practice or not I cant say, but its worked well for me so far. James Austin Texas |
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