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Posted: 6/11/2009 9:08:48 PM EDT
| If I'm in the middle of a Form 1 (application and money sent) but I move to another state that has the same NFA rules (AZ to TX), do I need to resubmit a new application? Can I just send ATF my new info? Do I need to go get another signature from the CLEO? Thanks. |
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If I'm in the middle of a Form 1 (application and money sent) but I move to another state that has the same NFA rules (AZ to TX), do I need to resubmit a new application? Can I just send ATF my new info? Do I need to go get another signature from the CLEO? Thanks. call the ATF and ask how to handle it. Let us know what you find out. |
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I've called and asked before.
Simple answer, wait until you move to submit the application. Here is the examiners thoughprocess...so watch out for explosions. If you submit the paperwork, and then move to a new state, you would be "moving" a NFA firearm without approval, which would be illegal. But you would not be ABLE to ask for approval, since technically the firearm is still not a NFA firearm "completely". He said that if you were moving within the same state, it would probably not be a big deal, but then he said he was worried about the CLEO signoff, and would want a new signature from the new CLEO. So, he was talking out of his butt, and was really just wanting to skip any complcations. He was very freindly, but he did not strike me as knowing very much beyond the scope of the basic instruction sheet for a form 1...seriosuly. |
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I'm considering doing the paperwork for a SBR. Like the OP's situation I will probably be moving before too long but I'm not positive at this point. I may just stay here. I'd like to get the process rolling if I decide to go ahead with this project. I've been reading up on this stuff a bit.
Here's my question in regards to the OP's question? If forced to move in mid-application, wouldn't it be legal to leave the registered item with a friend or relative in a locked case that only I have the keys to, or in a deposit box? Then once the paperwork is all processed and approved, submit the proper paperwork to move the registered item. Is this a legal solution to the OP's question as well as my own? |
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I'm considering doing the paperwork for a SBR. Like the OP's situation I will probably be moving before too long but I'm not positive at this point. I may just stay here. I'd like to get the process rolling if I decide to go ahead with this project. I've been reading up on this stuff a bit. Here's my question in regards to the OP's question? If forced to move in mid-application, wouldn't it be legal to leave the registered item with a friend or relative in a locked case that only I have the keys to, or in a deposit box? Then once the paperwork is all processed and approved, submit the proper paperwork to move the registered item. Is this a legal solution to the OP's question as well as my own? If you are doing a form 1, there is no registerd item to leave behind. Technically (although I wouldn't do it) if you have an approved form1 and havent built the item yet, there is no transport restriction or need for permission. Personally, if the form1 or form4 is pending, I'd send in a 5320.20 to your examiner, and ask for them to approve that with the F1 or F4. But teh 5320.20s are processed quick, I had 5 of them that were mailbox to mailbox in about 2 weeks. |
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The only problem I see with submitting a 5320.20 (I'm assuming this is what is used to move an item on a form 1, I'm not sure though, just looking into this stuff) mid-application would be the possibility of having to re-apply. I could see that having to happen and acquiring another CLEO signature, etc. The reason I thought my idea would work is that there wouldn't be any chance of having to re-apply if you move mid-application (based on my idea of what I can see happening but it could very well be wrong), and once the form 1 was approved the item would be legally stored. I based all of this on the fact that once a form 1 was approved, I thought you needed permission to move (to another state) even if it is not a fully assembled firearm. I could be wrong, this is my first time looking at this stuff.
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I'm considering doing the paperwork for a SBR. Like the OP's situation I will probably be moving before too long but I'm not positive at this point. I may just stay here. I'd like to get the process rolling if I decide to go ahead with this project. I've been reading up on this stuff a bit. Here's my question in regards to the OP's question? If forced to move in mid-application, wouldn't it be legal to leave the registered item with a friend or relative in a locked case that only I have the keys to, or in a deposit box? Then once the paperwork is all processed and approved, submit the proper paperwork to move the registered item. Is this a legal solution to the OP's question as well as my own? If you are doing a form 1, there is no registerd item to leave behind. Technically (although I wouldn't do it) if you have an approved form1 and havent built the item yet, there is no transport restriction or need for permission. Personally, if the form1 or form4 is pending, I'd send in a 5320.20 to your examiner, and ask for them to approve that with the F1 or F4. But teh 5320.20s are processed quick, I had 5 of them that were mailbox to mailbox in about 2 weeks. |
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The only problem I see with submitting a 5320.20 (I'm assuming this is what is used to move an item on a form 1, I'm not sure though, just looking into this stuff) mid-application would be the possibility of having to re-apply. if the 5320.20 got to an examiner before the F1 or F4 were pending, the 5320.20 would be rejected because you are not the owner at that point. If it hit while pending, they should be smart enough to match them up, but I wouldn't count on it. Worst that happens is you resubmit the 5320.20. The form 1 or Form 4 processing will not be delayed or disrupted. |
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You guys are all soo funny.
I called the ATF. I ASKED the examiner who does the darn forms. He told me NOT to do it. You have a piece of paperwork that has an address on the front. On the back the siganture certifies that the person signing has JUSRISDICTION over you. It is not flexible to moving midstream. Don't try to get around it...just wait. Not everything is burger-king...have it your way...some things, ESPECIALLY the government are very straight-laced and strict. Enjoy! |
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You guys are all soo funny. I called the ATF. I ASKED the examiner who does the darn forms. He told me NOT to do it. You have a piece of paperwork that has an address on the front. On the back the siganture certifies that the person signing has JUSRISDICTION over you. It is not flexible to moving midstream. Don't try to get around it...just wait. Not everything is burger-king...have it your way...some things, ESPECIALLY the government are very straight-laced and strict. Enjoy! Your taking all the fun out of this. You can't just call and ask questions like that. 
I still don't see any LEGAL reason as to why it can't be done the way I stated, but then again I'm not a lawyer. If someone should happen to move for whatever reason in mid-application, they are automatically breaking the law? Can everyone foresee the future? Does everyone out there submitting this form know for sure that they will absolutely not move for any reason in the 5 months or so it takes to get your paperwork processed? What if I file the app. and my house burns down a month later and I have to move, am I going to jail? I want it my way, only cheese and lettuce, hmmmmm. |
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