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4/22/2008 5:10:43 PM EDT
A while back a customer came in the shop asking for a copy of my FFL and SOT.

The other day I'm going through my mail, and in a flimsy standard (not padded) manila envelope, sent priority mail uninsured, from CO to OH, sandwitched between 1 piece of taped together bubble wrap was a DIAS and a copy of the Form 4.

WTF kinda moron wont spend more than $5.25 to ship a $13K part?

4/22/2008 5:14:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Damn, I'd kick someone's ass. If that envolope would have got a tear in it. by by uninsured DIAS.
4/23/2008 6:57:11 PM EDT
[#2]
WTF? I would charge him extra just for being an idiot.....
4/23/2008 7:16:25 PM EDT
[#3]
So sad that people are so careless with valuables.
4/23/2008 7:37:53 PM EDT
[#4]
I am assuming the customer was asking for your paperwork to have the item shipped to you for transfer from a dealer? That dealer individual would get a call from me asking where the sear is because the envelope just had a copy of the F4 in it. I would let him sweat for a minute on the phone before I ripped him a new asshole!
4/23/2008 7:44:43 PM EDT
[#5]

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I am assuming the customer was asking for your paperwork to have the item shipped to you for transfer from a dealer? That dealer individual would get a call from me asking where the sear is because the envelope just had a copy of the F4 in it. I would let him sweat for a minute on the phone before I ripped him a new asshole!


i agee that this would be funny but how do you know the buyer had any idea that the cheap ass dealer was going to send it like that? i would contact the dealer and tell them you were going to contact the atf about a missing sear. i bet he wont make that mistake again.
4/23/2008 9:09:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I am assuming the customer was asking for your paperwork to have the item shipped to you for transfer from a dealer? That dealer individual would get a call from me asking where the sear is because the envelope just had a copy of the F4 in it. I would let him sweat for a minute on the phone before I ripped him a new asshole!


i agee that this would be funny but how do you know the buyer had any idea that the cheap ass dealer was going to send it like that? i would contact the dealer and tell them you were going to contact the atf about a missing sear. i bet he wont make that mistake again.


+1
4/24/2008 3:41:47 AM EDT
[#7]
Well it's my DIAS so I'll weigh in and clarify a few things.

I bought it from a dealer in Missouri, who was brokering it for a guy in Colorado. I only spoke to the dealer who was listing it. I never spoke to the guy that actually owned the sear.

It pisses me off that after I pay him almost 13K he can't spend a little more and ship it right. If he was that hard up for money I would have gladly paid to have the damn thing packed and shipped properly.

I'm still pissed about the whole transaction, but on the other hand I finally got my first MG. I'll try and put some pictures up when I get home.

Oh, and a big thank you to the guys at ADCO. They are a great bunch of folks to deal with.
4/24/2008 12:41:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Hell sending it priority mail he would have gotten a box to ship it in at no additional costs besides inside packaging and the insurance.  That is just crazy ass.
4/24/2008 1:06:40 PM EDT
[#9]
what a dumb ass
4/24/2008 1:52:42 PM EDT
[#10]
Holy SHIT!!!!111+111!!!

He even wrote "Firearms" on the front!!
4/24/2008 7:24:26 PM EDT
[#11]

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Holy SHIT!!!!111+111!!!

He even wrote "Firearms" on the front!!


I think that was part of the addy..

I am impressed that he shipped with a Delivery Confirmation!!

I am glad things made it OK,but I would be a bit pissed if it were mine!!
4/25/2008 7:38:42 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Holy SHIT!!!!111+111!!!

He even wrote "Firearms" on the front!!


I think that was part of the addy..

I am impressed that he shipped with a Delivery Confirmation!!

I am glad things made it OK,but I would be a bit pissed if it were mine!!



I know that but it's agains't the law.


432.3 Packaging and Marking
No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM C010.
4/25/2008 9:08:32 AM EDT
[#13]
Is that a postal regulation or a law?
4/25/2008 10:03:50 AM EDT
[#14]
Although that RDIAS is registered and considered a machinegun, I am almost positive it's not considered an actual firearm.  It cannot "use gunpowder to fire... blah blah blah."

It just goes without saying you don't put words like "firearms" "guns" "drugs" "birthday cash" etc. on your envelopes or packages.  

You don't have to know the laws to not be stupid like this fool was.
4/25/2008 11:13:03 AM EDT
[#15]

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You don't have to know the laws to not be stupid like this fool was.


Yup - - "Adco" or "Adco FA" if how packages are marked by people who aren't idiots.
4/25/2008 11:49:56 AM EDT
[#16]

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Although that RDIAS is registered and considered a machinegun, I am almost positive it's not considered an actual firearm.  It cannot "use gunpowder to fire... blah blah blah."

It just goes without saying you don't put words like "firearms" "guns" "drugs" "birthday cash" etc. on your envelopes or packages.  

You don't have to know the laws to not be stupid like this fool was.


It most certainly is a firearm according to NFA. In fact, a silencer is a "firearm" according to NFA. You are thinking of the definition for a Title 1 firearm.

And that is not a postal regulation, it is federal law.
4/25/2008 12:36:54 PM EDT
[#17]
gunz213, glad everything is going to work out.  Enjoy your first machine gun.
4/25/2008 12:42:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Goes without saying, that's one hell of a MG for a first one.
4/26/2008 6:01:56 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Although that RDIAS is registered and considered a machinegun, I am almost positive it's not considered an actual firearm.  It cannot "use gunpowder to fire... blah blah blah."

It just goes without saying you don't put words like "firearms" "guns" "drugs" "birthday cash" etc. on your envelopes or packages.  

You don't have to know the laws to not be stupid like this fool was.


It most certainly is a firearm according to NFA. In fact, a silencer is a "firearm" according to NFA. You are thinking of the definition for a Title 1 firearm.

And that is not a postal regulation, it is federal law.


Eh, not a firearm, you don't have to ask permission to cross state lines with it, because it isn't.
4/26/2008 6:28:05 AM EDT
[#20]

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Eh, not a firearm, you don't have to ask permission to cross state lines with it, because it isn't.


a DIAS is a machinegun in and of itself, and you most certainly require permission to cross state lines with it.
4/26/2008 1:11:57 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Although that RDIAS is registered and considered a machinegun, I am almost positive it's not considered an actual firearm.  It cannot "use gunpowder to fire... blah blah blah."

It just goes without saying you don't put words like "firearms" "guns" "drugs" "birthday cash" etc. on your envelopes or packages.  

You don't have to know the laws to not be stupid like this fool was.


It most certainly is a firearm according to NFA. In fact, a silencer is a "firearm" according to NFA. You are thinking of the definition for a Title 1 firearm.

And that is not a postal regulation, it is federal law.


Eh, not a firearm, you don't have to ask permission to cross state lines with it, because it isn't.



Tell that to the examiner who signed my 5320.20
4/26/2008 2:41:13 PM EDT
[#22]
A suppressor is a firearm according to 18 USC 921 and 26 USC 5845.  A 5320.20 isn't required for a suppressor or an AOW however.
4/26/2008 6:35:06 PM EDT
[#23]

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A suppressor is a firearm according to 18 USC 921 and 26 USC 5845.  A 5320.20 isn't required for a suppressor or an AOW however.



I was speaking of the DIAS. However, my suppressor is on my 5320, approved for travel even though not required.



4/26/2008 9:32:08 PM EDT
[#24]

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I know that but it's agains't the law.

432.3 Packaging and Marking
No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM C010.


You ought to forward that info on to big green then, every Remington long gun I've ever delivered not only had their big logo plastered on the box but they also have the exact model and even the serial number(s) on them.

4/27/2008 8:54:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Long guns typically ship via UPS.  There isnt a "rule" agains the marking of firearms on it.  When I say rule its like the pirate code- more of a guideline than rule.  
4/28/2008 4:45:01 AM EDT
[#26]
What an idiot....


I'm glad it got there safely.
5/1/2008 6:45:55 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I know that but it's agains't the law.

432.3 Packaging and Marking
No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM C010.


You ought to forward that info on to big green then, every Remington long gun I've ever delivered not only had their big logo plastered on the box but they also have the exact model and even the serial number(s) on them.





I can not help but thinking of some dirt bag ripping off a Remington box, and getting home to find a


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