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Posted: 4/17/2007 4:49:24 PM EDT
| This really isn't a practical question but i was wondering if it was possible to use a CCW permit in conjunction with a class 3 for say an automatic pistol. i don't know too much about class 3 so any info would be helpful. Thanks :) |
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It is my understanding that yes, if the class III weapon is legal (i.e. registered), and you have a permit to carry, you can carry said class III weapon. I would still check state laws, just in case. You said it wasn't practical, but I still personally wouldn't suggest carrying a class III pistol. |
You're correct, but your reasoning is off. CCW of a machinegun in Florida is illegal because they specifically made it illegal, not because they don't mention it. "For the purposes of this section, concealed weapons or concealed firearms are defined as a handgun, electronic weapon or device, tear gas gun, knife, or billie, but the term does not include a machine gun as defined in s. 790.001(9)." |
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In Virginia it's a NO since you are issued a concealed handgun permit. Prior to 1995 it was a concealed weapon permit, and then it was legal to carry NFA stuff concealed. Just as an aside I wouldn't since if you are involved in a self-defense shooting the cops will probably hang onto your gun during the investigation. In many jurisdictions it will be returned to you well used, scratched, and dirty. |
I was applying my reasoning to all NFA in FL. Machineguns are illegal to CCW because they are explicitly mentioned as illegal, all other NFA is illegal to CCW because they are omitted from the list of legal weaons to CCW. The bottom line in FL is this: If it's not on the list of weapons legal to CCW, then you can't do it. |
If he can CCW in NJ then he could proboly get away with anything seeing as you have to have 3 refrences and 2 have to be GOD and POS 
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NJ allows MGs... I don't know about CCW permits in NJ or MGs as CCW weapons however... Just the same, while MGs are legal here in PA and I have subguns I would not carry one as a CCW! Way too many risks to any possible benifit for most of us. |
Yes, an AR pistol is a handgun. Concealing it might be tough though. |
Thanks for the prompt reply. 
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This should be the practical criteria to carry NFA concealed, not the actual legality of doing it. Massad Ayoob said in an interview about this that shootings involving NFA firearms ALWAYS went further down the legal tunnel than would have otherwise happened had it been a "normal" firearm, sometimes resulting in the prosecution of the shooter despite being a vaild shoot. Issuance of a CCW is always in the legal context of personal protection, either specicially stated or implied. Without any known exception, CCWs are not issued for the purposes of "public" defense and just about any firearm outside of a handgun is a fairly clear action outside of this context. If you carry a submachine gun under your permit, a firearm easily argued as being offensive rather than defensive, then you are expanding the scope of the permit's protection beyond its intention and raising all manner of legal questions both criminal and civil. |
| I know it's pretty much impossible to CCW in NJ. But I plan on moving out of the state soon as I get out of school and was wondering about some of the laws in other states. It was more of a hypothetical question than something I was seriously thinking about anyway. |
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